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On April 05 2013 21:08 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:04 itkovian wrote:
I will add that I like Dany a lot more in the books, than I do in the television series. Just going off the top of my head, at a level of gut feeling, the book version of Dany seems a lot more rational, while the show version of Dany seems too confrontational. I agree. I think they tried to make her seem more forceful and badass, but they just ended up making her seem like an entitled, impatient douchebaguette. The way I imagined her when reading the books was as someone who was confident like the TV series version, but in a more subtle and reserved manner, as in more controlled and less prone to dragon-invoking fury. Also, I thought she was a bit more melancholy in the book, as if she were accepting her position as a necessary but rather sad duty rather than simply a birthright. edit: Stannis in the series doesn't look the way I pictured him for the book. For some reason I imagined Stannis as looking like Walter White from Breaking Bad (i.e., same face and mannerisms), even though I didn't really make much of a conscious connection between the characters, who aren't really that similar--but then again they are kind of similar since they're both utilitarian and power-hungry. Stannis is more tight-ass though and seems to be in denial about his thirst for power, telling himself and others that duty is his raison d'etre. A nice thing about the books was that a lot of stuff was kind of obvious but still hidden in the subtext, namely the sexual relationships between Stannis and Melisandre and between Loras and Renly. It's one of the areas of the show that seem kind of insulting to the viewer, as in, "we have to show the sex scenes, or they won't get it and/or they'll get bored!" With that said I hope we'll have little to no Roz and other show-only characters this season, especially if it's just for fulfilling the boob quota.
I won't say she is more confident in the book.
She just won't allow herself to look back and has to keep moving forward. She constantly had to make herself strong by telling her she is a dragon etc. Kinda means that deep inside she is afraid but she has no other choice but to be strong.
an example is she told herself to appear strong so that she could lead her dothraki just after drogo's dead and walking across that wasted land.
She has quite a dedicated mind, her inner woman desire etc but all are covered up by her Queen persona, especially when it's about Jorah (and some other guys)
In this way, I think the TV series did a good job reproducing her fear vs her outside strong appearance, maybe it's her face that didn't look like she was emotionaless and more of a "zoned out" look when she did something important
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I think Dany is the worst major character in the books. At least Emilia makes her interesting in the show. She devolves into one of those characters whose chapters you want to skip as the story progresses. I'm hoping show Dany can avoid that at least.
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On April 08 2013 11:22 Fzero wrote:
I think Dany is the worst major character in the books. At least Emilia makes her interesting in the show. She devolves into one of those characters whose chapters you want to skip as the story progresses. I'm hoping show Dany can avoid that at least.
I think Arya is the worst character in the book. All the spunk and vim Masie Williams displays is absent in written form. I blame Martin for this - but he has a problem writing women in general. It can't be easy for an old fantasy novel dude like that to write a 13-14 year old girl.
EDIT: Oh and Shae is definitely the worst transition from the book to the tv series.
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On April 08 2013 11:16 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 21:08 reincremate wrote:On April 04 2013 09:04 itkovian wrote:
I will add that I like Dany a lot more in the books, than I do in the television series. Just going off the top of my head, at a level of gut feeling, the book version of Dany seems a lot more rational, while the show version of Dany seems too confrontational. I agree. I think they tried to make her seem more forceful and badass, but they just ended up making her seem like an entitled, impatient douchebaguette. The way I imagined her when reading the books was as someone who was confident like the TV series version, but in a more subtle and reserved manner, as in more controlled and less prone to dragon-invoking fury. Also, I thought she was a bit more melancholy in the book, as if she were accepting her position as a necessary but rather sad duty rather than simply a birthright. edit: Stannis in the series doesn't look the way I pictured him for the book. For some reason I imagined Stannis as looking like Walter White from Breaking Bad (i.e., same face and mannerisms), even though I didn't really make much of a conscious connection between the characters, who aren't really that similar--but then again they are kind of similar since they're both utilitarian and power-hungry. Stannis is more tight-ass though and seems to be in denial about his thirst for power, telling himself and others that duty is his raison d'etre. A nice thing about the books was that a lot of stuff was kind of obvious but still hidden in the subtext, namely the sexual relationships between Stannis and Melisandre and between Loras and Renly. It's one of the areas of the show that seem kind of insulting to the viewer, as in, "we have to show the sex scenes, or they won't get it and/or they'll get bored!" With that said I hope we'll have little to no Roz and other show-only characters this season, especially if it's just for fulfilling the boob quota. I won't say she is more confident in the book. She just won't allow herself to look back and has to keep moving forward. She constantly had to make herself strong by telling her she is a dragon etc. Kinda means that deep inside she is afraid but she has no other choice but to be strong. an example is she told herself to appear strong so that she could lead her dothraki just after drogo's dead and walking across that wasted land. She has quite a dedicated mind, her inner woman desire etc but all are covered up by her Queen persona, especially when it's about Jorah (and some other guys) In this way, I think the TV series did a good job reproducing her fear vs her outside strong appearance, maybe it's her face that didn't look like she was emotionaless and more of a "zoned out" look when she did something important
I don't think she "feels" confident in the sense that she's at ease, but rather that she thinks that her eventual victory is inevitable because it's predestined. It seems like what she's afraid of is all the bad shit that has to happen on her way there. What I mean is that book-Dany seems to put on a veneer of calm collectedness to hide her fears and insecurities whereas TV-Dany just seems angry all the time. That makes book-Dany somewhat of a dull character I think, but at least she's not annoying like the "WHERE MY DRAGONS AT WHERE MY DRAGONS AT" TV-Dany.
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On April 08 2013 12:39 slyboogie wrote:
I think Arya is the worst character in the book. All the spunk and vim Masie Williams displays is absent in written form. I blame Martin for this - but he has a problem writing women in general. It can't be easy for an old fantasy novel dude like that to write a 13-14 year old girl.
Blasphemy!
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I love Dany's character in the books (have not seen the show so far). My only gripe with her is really a problem with Martin. The pacing of ADWD is horrific. The siege of Mereen isn't even really over at the end of the book. It feels like it should have been wrapped up before the halfway point of the novel.
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Somebody try to help me, but the conversation between Marg/Joff in his bedroom with the crossbow never occurred in the books did it? I'd imagine not considering no POV character could of witnessed this, but I'm not confident in remembering if it did/did not.
Kind of liked it though. Marg was trying to delve and further investigate Sansa's warning.
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I think the meaning of the scene was to give us some deeper insight into the two characters. That Joffery's sado-sexual personality traits continue to develop in such "weapon-as-phallus" ways is...............consistent. It also reveals that character trait to Margarey and she is shown to be savvy - though I don't know how the actress was trying to sell that scene: disgusted or aroused or whateves.
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Scene between Joff and Marg was to show how women get power in GoT. They say whatever the king wants to hear, and manipulates them. If king is a sadist? Encourage the sadism, Like crossbows? Oooh me too, King wants to kill gay people, then go right ahead! etc.
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I think Jack Gleeson does a good job of conveying Joffrey's ireedemable, psycopathic villainy but I think Joffrey's over-the-top sexual sadism is just another example of the producers/writers trying to sex the show up as much as possible, which would be fine if random unecessary titty scenes didn't take up so much screen time.
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People have complained about the sexposition but Game of Thrones really needs it. It sounds weird, considering the overwhelming amount of content, but there's so much walking and so much world building that needs to happen. If you watch the show again, you'll notice that 80% of it is people talking or people moving from one place to another place. What can you do? Add some naughty sexy time to it!!!
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On April 08 2013 13:26 slyboogie wrote:
People have complained about the sexposition but Game of Thrones really needs it. It sounds weird, considering the overwhelming amount of content, but there's so much walking and so much world building that needs to happen. If you watch the show again, you'll notice that 80% of it is people talking or people moving from one place to another place. What can you do? Add some naughty sexy time to it!!!
lol I never looked at it this way. I guess it's true, they don't have the budget for a lot of action, but sex is cheap!
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What do you guys think of the casting for the Reeds (meera in particular) in tonight's episode? I was disappointed, they weren't anything like how I imagined. I saw them as smaller/younger, and more aloof/mystic.
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Or they could just try to make the dialogue better whenever necessary. Sexposition (having random nudity/sex while people are talking) is okay because narrator exposition converted into dialogue can be dull, but when they make up entire scenes that are entirely about some character or characters' sexual proclivities or just random scenes like the one where some unnamed guy in one of Littlefinger's brothels is peeping at some other people fucking, and then it shows that he's getting a blowjob himself, and then it's revealed that LF is watching him, it just gets face-palmingly excessive for me, like they're assuming that no one will watch the show otherwise.
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On April 08 2013 13:39 reincremate wrote:
Or they could just try to make the dialogue better whenever necessary. Sexposition (having random nudity/sex while people are talking) is okay because narrator exposition converted into dialogue can be dull, but when they make up entire scenes that are entirely about some character or characters' sexual proclivities or just random scenes like the one where some unnamed guy in one of Littlefinger's brothels is peeping at some other people fucking, and then it shows that he's getting a blowjob himself, and then it's revealed that LF is watching him, it just gets face-palmingly excessive for me, like they're assuming that no one will watch the show otherwise.
Oh that was a great scene. The peephole scene? That was very good - it tells you what King's Landing and what Littlefinger is about in a 20 second shot.
You can't make dialogue snappy and pop all the time, especially when you're talking about the crow that saw the conversation about the Starks talking about the Tullys seiged by the Lannisters allied to the Tullys blah blah blah. It's not the West Wing.
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This episode was just fantastic. God damn I love book 3. All the changes they made were net positives for sure. Every moment was just great this week, A+. I had crazy nerdchills during the final Brienne+Jaime scene.
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Jojen bit older than I expected. Would have preferred it if they could have played him as a preternaturally old boy
Surprised no one else was happy with Lady Olena. Mn It was good though somehow she didn't quite kill it.
Shae/Tyrion was really interesting. It provides a more explicit reason for her betrayal
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On April 08 2013 14:12 Drowsy wrote:
This episode was just fantastic. God damn I love book 3. All the changes they made were net positives for sure. Every moment was just great this week, A+. I had crazy nerdchills during the final Brienne+Jaime scene.
i enjoyed the fight as well, although i wish they would have made jaime fare a little better, the show kinda made me feel like brienne was far superior to him where as in the book they seem closer to equals
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On April 08 2013 15:06 Vessel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 14:12 Drowsy wrote:
This episode was just fantastic. God damn I love book 3. All the changes they made were net positives for sure. Every moment was just great this week, A+. I had crazy nerdchills during the final Brienne+Jaime scene. i enjoyed the fight as well, although i wish they would have made jaime fare a little better, the show kinda made me feel like brienne was far superior to him where as in the book they seem closer to equals
I think they made it pretty obvious that Jaime is the better sword fighter in terms of technique/experience but Brienne was able to take advantage of his physical condition and ware him out. They remind you right before the fight that Jaime has been a captive for a year ("I've been wearing the same boots for a year").
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On April 08 2013 13:39 Craze wrote:
What do you guys think of the casting for the Reeds (meera in particular) in tonight's episode? I was disappointed, they weren't anything like how I imagined. I saw them as smaller/younger, and more aloof/mystic.
Yea, Jojen definitely was older than I imagined. But not really a problem, compared to how old Bran looks. Can you imagine the age discrepancy by the last season? Its going to be nuts. I wonder if they'll recast... but that would seem weird as well.
On April 08 2013 15:06 Vessel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 14:12 Drowsy wrote:
This episode was just fantastic. God damn I love book 3. All the changes they made were net positives for sure. Every moment was just great this week, A+. I had crazy nerdchills during the final Brienne+Jaime scene. i enjoyed the fight as well, although i wish they would have made jaime fare a little better, the show kinda made me feel like brienne was far superior to him where as in the book they seem closer to equals
Yeah, I wish they had ended it on a draw when the Bolton men arrived. Brienne definitely had the upper hand by the end of the scene in the show, and I feel like a lot of dumb show viewers will interpret that as her being the best swordsman in the land by beating Jaime. Because they won't consider the fact that he was bound and fatigued.
Anyways, I liked tonights episode a lot better than the first. Had less stupid cheesy scenes, and I was able to separate myself from the books a little better tonight. It will be a constant battle, but its a lot easier to appreciate the show independently, when its actually a good episode. Thoros was cool. But I thought it was funny how they already captured the hound, when in the book Arya was with thoros for like three months before they captured him. Or at least that's how I remember it...
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