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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On June 06 2012 00:31 moopie wrote: The writer's didn't change it. The sword Joffrey has that he makes Sansa kiss was Hearteater. It wasn't Valyrian steel. He doesn't get Widow's Wail till after the Blackwater as a gift from Tywin. My mistake. I had just watched that very scene the other night, too. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote: The Daenerys storyline is as horrible on TV as it is in the books. Guess the director also realizes Daenerys wtfsux. Her entire storyline since Drogo died has been bullshit. Not to mention the Xaro Xhoan Xaxos character was utterly butchered. 1. Xaro is a slim, white man in the books. Fat black man in the show. I guess black and fat is more exotic. That part doesn't matter too much to me. On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote: 2. Xaro is made out to be gay in both the books and on the tv show. WHY is he in bed with Daenerys' maid when they find him? They never said he was gay on the show. In fact they never really gave any reason why Dany should turn down his wedding proposal on the show. Even being gay, Dany still considered it in the books, but declined since he refused to help her in her war to retake Westeros, and because the Qarth wedding custom was that each of them would have to give the other one thing thing they owned and Xaro would have asked for a dragon. TV Xaro offered to help her take back the iron throne without even asking. Dany turned him down on Jorah's advice because Jorah said she shouldn't get foreign aid, which is also stupid considering it was his idea in the books to go get the Unsullied. That was one of the first things Ser Barristan and Jorah disagreed about. On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote: 3. Xaro had plenty of money in the books. Xaro had plenty of money on the tv show. Suddenly, she opens the safe and there's no money? Oh, that's right. He had to put that rubbish twist into the TV series because in the books Daenerys inexplicably leaves Qarth without sacking it for its wealth. The show people probably read that, realized it made zero sense, and put that in instead. The change was silly on the show and made little sense considering he some how was living in a mansion full of gold statues, cups and decorations with servants and had the money to host all the nobility of Qarth earlier in the season. But in the books she had no army to sack Qarth even if she wanted to. On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote: 4. Which totally screws Xaro's return in A Dance With Dragons. How exactly is Xaro going to show up in Meereen with thirteen ships if they killed the 13 and he had no money and was locked up in a safe? Who says the story will resemble the books in any way by that point? Besides he could always get let out of the safe potentially if his servants ever wake up and realize that someone is looting his house. To add to your points, why does the king of Qarth have zero guards, and such lax security measures that Dany's party of a dozen people is able to just walk in his home and into his bedroom? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
So, how awesome is Varys? xD | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:14 sc2superfan101 wrote: don't forget tyrion and his heartwarming tale of melting the prostitute's cold heart. finding what he could have had with his first true love (if only, you know, he and his dad and a hundred guardsmen hadn't raped the shit out of her) it's just like a crossover between Return to Me with David Duchovny and Pretty Woman. except with rape. and a dwarf. and more rape. OH HOW YOUNG THEY ARE!!! I can't wait 'till Shae's betrayal! It's gonna be super fun to watch everyone reaction, almost as much the Red Wedding will be. If there's one thing I really like about this season, is how well they're selling Shae's unquestionable love to Tyrion. In fact they have sold it too much. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:31 Live2Win wrote: OH HOW YOUNG THEY ARE!!! I can't wait 'till Shae's betrayal! It's gonna be super fun to watch everyone reaction, almost as much the Red Wedding will be. If there's one thing I really like about this season, is how well they're selling Shae's undevoted love to Tyrion. In fact they have sold it too much. Clearly people forgot about Littlefingers speech in season 1. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:25 karazax wrote: That part doesn't matter too much to me. They never said he was gay on the show. In fact they never really gave any reason why Dany should turn down his wedding proposal on the show. Even being gay, Dany still considered it in the books, but declined since he refused to help her in her war to retake Westeros, and because the Qarth wedding custom was that each of them would have to give the other one thing thing they owned and Xaro would have asked for a dragon. TV Xaro offered to help her take back the iron throne without even asking. Dany turned him down on Jorah's advice because Jorah said she shouldn't get foreign aid, which is also stupid considering it was his idea in the books to go get the Unsullied. That was one of the first things Ser Barristan and Jorah disagreed about. The change was silly on the show and made little sense considering he some how was living in a mansion full of gold statues, cups and decorations with servants and had the money to host all the nobility of Qarth earlier in the season. But in the books she had no army to sack Qarth even if she wanted to. Who says the story will resemble the books in any way by that point? Besides he could always get let out of the safe potentially if his servants ever wake up and realize that someone is looting his house. To add to your points, why does the king of Qarth have zero guards, and such lax security measures that Dany's party of a dozen people is able to just walk in his home and into his bedroom? Are you sure? I could have sworn Daeny says something in the show about Xaro not being interested in women or something to that effect. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least that's how I've got it remembered. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:31 Live2Win wrote: OH HOW YOUNG THEY ARE!!! I can't wait 'till Shae's betrayal! It's gonna be super fun to watch everyone reaction, almost as much the Red Wedding will be. If there's one thing I really like about this season, is how well they're selling Shae's unquestionable love to Tyrion. In fact they have sold it too much. i think you mistake me, my friend. i have read all the way to Dance of Dragons or whatever. i was very shocked at both Shae's betrayal (not really, i thought it was kind of obviousish that she was in it for dat money) and the Red Wedding (i was more confused than shocked, though this one was legit surprising) i think they've done well setting Shae and Tyrion's relationship up in the show, but at the same time i think it's kind of funny how the book and the show seem to try to ignore the whole thing where Tryion only feels bad for himself about raping the shit out of his wife (prob cause he thinks she was a whore and had betrayed him). and in the books its even worse. he only really seems to care about her not being a whore in the context of himself, now he wasn't betrayed by a whore, he had lost a woman that he truly loved. there still doesn't seem to be any "i shouldn't have done that to her" in tyrion's perception of what happened. this is reinforced by the fact that he strangles Shae to death after she's "betrayed" him, and how he treats Sansa during their short marriage and how he thinks of her after they both go their respective ways. his actions in DwD (?) only further reinforces his descent from pretty amoral to hateful and bitter as fuck. it's an interesting take on the character, but i think a lot of people miss it. I wonder if the TV show will keep the POS Tyrion thing or will they change him up and make him more of a good guy. i don't know if the Red Wedding is going to be the problem for fans, i think the problem will be when their favorite character Tyrion is about to straight up force himself on Sansa. they might change it in the show, but if they don't, that scene could lose a lot of viewers right there. | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:25 karazax wrote: Who says the story will resemble the books in any way by that point? Besides he could always get let out of the safe potentially if his servants ever wake up and realize that someone is looting his house. To add to your points, why does the king of Qarth have zero guards, and such lax security measures that Dany's party of a dozen people is able to just walk in his home and into his bedroom? how is he going to get out of the safe? it's made of valerian (sp?) steel, and the only key to it was handed to dany by jorah. like you said there's nothing to suggest that xaro HAS to return at any point in the show. it's been made clear that the producers are not going to stick to the books as closely as they've done in season 1. | ||
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Arbicyk
Mexico12 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:35 Nevuk wrote: So apparently there are more people who know Jon Snow's parentage (real people) than just GRRM and Benioff and Weiss. Martin apparently told Alfie Allen who Snow's parents were because he was Lily Allen's brother (though they had no idea he was her brother when they cast him) What? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/game-of-thrones-theon-alfie-allen-interview.html There's a longer version of this interview somewhere else. But relevant parts here : Did having a big sister ever help you with the sibling scenes? Minus the incest, of course. [Laughs.] I guess, because we nitpick at each other, but it's not cool, completely not cool what Theon does to his sister. It's horrible. It shows you what kind of person Theon is, so there's a reason why it's in there. But you know, they didn't know I had a big sister when they cast me for this. They had no clue. They didn't know who I was. Although George R.R. Martin, when I spoke to him, he asked me about my sister. He became a fan of hers during the auditions. What did you ask him about in return? You know, I asked him about who Jon Snow's real parents were, and he told me. I can't say who, but I can tell you that it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situation. It will all come to fruition eventually. The whole thing with all the fight over proper succession is partly inspired by the War of the Roses in the late 1400s, and back then, to ensure pedigree, the monarchies were kind of inbred. It's definitely fucked up, but it definitely happened back then, so that's why there's incest with the Targaryen line. It's toned down, though. also Alfie has never read past book 3. So he has no idea about Reek. I find it funny that actor playing Theon Greyjoy knows who Jon Snows parents are when the actor playing Jon Snow doesn't know. | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
It also confirms that Martin never learned not to tell secret to a person who is so infamously a stoner that their sister wrote a song about it. I don't think the RW thing will be ruined because the Boltons weren't the primary people there... yes they bear some blame but far more falls on the Freys and Lannisters (note how lady stoneheart isn't explicitly hunting down every bolton... even if she should be). | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:03 Nevuk wrote: GRRM telling Alfie that pretty much confirms that Jon Snow's father isn't Ned, right? It also confirms that Martin never learned not to tell secret to a person who is so infamously a stoner that their sister wrote a song about it. I don't think the RW thing will be ruined because the Boltons weren't the primary people there... yes they bear some blame but far more falls on the Freys and Lannisters (note how lady stoneheart isn't explicitly hunting down every bolton... even if she should be). I never really thought Ned was Jon Snow's father. I think he's Jon Snow's uncle. There are about 1000 different clues pointing to Jon being the son of Lyanna Stark. The question is who is Jon Snow's real father. | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
On June 06 2012 10:52 Smat wrote: They really fucked up with the ambiguous Winterfell burning scene. All those poor bastards in the other thread are eventually going to get tipped off about the Boltons and then the conspiracies against Robb are going to be revealed and then the whole RW plot will be ruined! I am actually serious here, the specualtion on this scene is going to spoil everything. They already are. There are several people over there who are miraculously "guessing" that Roose's bastard son is responsible for the burning of Winterfell. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
its one of those things like in that Arnold movie, Junior | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
also Alfie has never read past book 3. So he has no idea about Reek. I find it funny that actor playing Theon Greyjoy knows who Jon Snows parents are when the actor playing Jon Snow doesn't know. He knows a bit about Reek and Ramsey Snow. Ramsey was in disguise for book 2 and Reek was in book 3. And though he doesn't know specifics, he has been told that he is going to be tortured heavily. So he got a Sneak Peek at what's in store for him. And do you know what "Sneak" and "Peek" rhymes with? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Why are we speaking as though Jon is def alive in next book? Didn't he got stabbed like 4 times? | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14900 Posts
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