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On June 05 2012 05:02 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:49 Flik wrote:
What do you guys think Stannis seen in the flame?
Do you think he seen the white walkers or the wildling host? I have no idea otherwise.
I know in the book he didn't know about what was happening at the wall until the wildling attack.
Thinking of Stannis... why didn't they have a Davos scene? I guess all the TV viewers just assume he's dead now. I guess they can do that scene in season 3. For all we know he is dead in the TV show now. With them changing how the Bran/Rickon stories are going (they are leaving Winterfell together) it may be that Davos is gone for good.
Yeah, and in the end we find out that they're all in purgatory.. oh wait, wrong show.
Seriously though, there is a difference between making minor changes (Bran/Rickon), which they do regularly now, and making huge changes (Stannis/Davos dead), of which they haven't done at all so far.
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On June 05 2012 05:14 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 05:02 ZasZ. wrote:On June 05 2012 04:49 Flik wrote:
What do you guys think Stannis seen in the flame?
Do you think he seen the white walkers or the wildling host? I have no idea otherwise.
I know in the book he didn't know about what was happening at the wall until the wildling attack.
Thinking of Stannis... why didn't they have a Davos scene? I guess all the TV viewers just assume he's dead now. I guess they can do that scene in season 3. For all we know he is dead in the TV show now. With them changing how the Bran/Rickon stories are going (they are leaving Winterfell together) it may be that Davos is gone for good. Yeah, and in the end we find out that they're all in purgatory.. oh wait, wrong show. Seriously though, there is a difference between making minor changes (Bran/Rickon), which they do regularly now, and making huge changes (Stannis/Davos dead), of which they haven't done at all so far.
Davos has some pretty important roles to play, and given that Shireen has been casted I think it's almost 100% that we will see him make an appearance and have an influence of Stannis' decisions.
Plus you don't actually know if Stannis saw anything in the flames.
The Bran/Rickon split is delayed because Jojen is going to make an appearance in season 3. A shame they weren't in it earlier (along with the Frey boys), but a reasonable change really.
I also agree that showing Sam that close to the wights is pretty stupid. They could have at least put him a little more out of sight in a way where the wights don't clearly see him.
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Also was anyone really disappointed that there was no foreshadowing and prophecies from the Warlock tower (especially the foreshadowing of the red wedding).
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On June 05 2012 05:03 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:49 Telenil wrote:
I really dislike the ending with Sam alone in the snow in the middle of the giant wight army. The wights themselves are really good, but how can Sam be realisticly alive after that? In the books, the white walkers killed everyone on sight, no useless gloating, no "I could do it now but I won't yet". The only way it can be solved is the entire wight army will walk past him, with a single Other staying to finish him off, and Sam will conveniently kill him with the dragonglass dagger. As much as I like the way the Night Watch is shown in the series, that just feels... lame. They did let one of the nights watch guys in the prologue live (both in the book and on the show), so it is not without precedence.
They didn't let Gared live in the books, he was guarding the horses and presumably fled on horseback, but we don't know exactly how he got south of the wall. As far as I recall he didn't even mention the others when he was executed and we don't know what, if anything he saw.
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On June 05 2012 05:03 Maginor wrote:
They did let one of the nights watch guys in the prologue live (both in the book and on the show), so it is not without precedence. In the series yes, but it is not quite like that in the book. The POW character is Will, who sees the Others killing Royce but stays hidden. He comes near Royce's body after they have left, but Royce then awakes as a wight and kills him at once. The last guy flees south, but we never see him being *that* close to the undead.
edit: too late ^^
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On June 05 2012 04:49 Flik wrote:
What do you guys think Stannis seen in the flame?
Do you think he seen the white walkers or the wildling host? I have no idea otherwise.
I know in the book he didn't know about what was happening at the wall until the wildling attack.
Thinking of Stannis... why didn't they have a Davos scene? I guess all the TV viewers just assume he's dead now. I guess they can do that scene in season 3.
almost certainly not dangers, he looked fairly satisfied with the vision or w/e
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The scene they made with Davos getting "hit" by the explosion makes it quite obvious that he's alive IMO.
Pretty sure even if I hadn't readen the books I would have thought so 
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On June 05 2012 04:17 GDbushido wrote:
everything about this story is ridiculous, thats why its called fantasy.
That is a very poor understanding of fantasy. You can invent any rule, but then you need to remain consistent with that new rule or else have very good reason for breaking it. Furthermore, readers/ viewers by default expect things to be behave more or less how it does in real life unless otherwise told (Human emotion, physics) so it's the job of the storyteller to properly introduce the changes and not rely upon plot convenient contrivances.
It certainly is not anything goes and even if a world is ridiculous (Terry Gilliam stories) we expect the ridiculous world to behave according to it's own set of rules of ridiculousness.
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i didnt like the house of the undying scene , i REMEMBER it far more bizarre and desparing , also there where some prophecies and visions involved
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On June 05 2012 08:16 Carras wrote:
i didnt like the house of the undying scene , i REMEMBER it far more bizarre and desparing , also there where some prophecies and visions involved
Yeah it was way different.
I really liked the throne room with the ruined roof and the snow, etc. Something about that scene was just... well, I liked it. But the last part was just bad, they had him do mirror images or whatever you'd call it before and here he just gets burned asap, lol, felt so anticlimactic.
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The Daenerys storyline is as horrible on TV as it is in the books. Guess the director also realizes Daenerys wtfsux. Her entire storyline since Drogo died has been bullshit. Not to mention the Xaro Xhoan Xaxos character was utterly butchered.
1. Xaro is a slim, white man in the books. Fat black man in the show. I guess black and fat is more exotic.
2. Xaro is made out to be gay in both the books and on the tv show. WHY is he in bed with Daenerys' maid when they find him?
3. Xaro had plenty of money in the books. Xaro had plenty of money on the tv show. Suddenly, she opens the safe and there's no money? Oh, that's right. He had to put that rubbish twist into the TV series because in the books Daenerys inexplicably leaves Qarth without sacking it for its wealth. The show people probably read that, realized it made zero sense, and put that in instead.
4. Which totally screws Xaro's return in A Dance With Dragons. How exactly is Xaro going to show up in Meereen with thirteen ships if they killed the 13 and he had no money and was locked up in a safe?
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The book is just too difficult to translate to a tv show imo. There's just not enough time money or talented writers to do so. If the book was The Wire then the tv show is more like CSI. It's entertaining but it's just not as well executed. The important details aren't being meticulously poured over. For example, take Tyrion's "disfigurement."I like the way someone put it, she said his scar was the fantasy equivalent of a ponytail and overalls making a girl "ugly" in teen films.And the writing just isn't as fleshed out or consistent as it could have been.
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On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote:
The Daenerys storyline is as horrible on TV as it is in the books. Guess the director also realizes Daenerys wtfsux. Her entire storyline since Drogo died has been bullshit. Not to mention the Xaro Xhoan Xaxos character was utterly butchered.
1. Xaro is a slim, white man in the books. Fat black man in the show. I guess black and fat is more exotic.
2. Xaro is made out to be gay in both the books and on the tv show. WHY is he in bed with Daenerys' maid when they find him?
3. Xaro had plenty of money in the books. Xaro had plenty of money on the tv show. Suddenly, she opens the safe and there's no money? Oh, that's right. He had to put that rubbish twist into the TV series because in the books Daenerys inexplicably leaves Qarth without sacking it for its wealth. The show people probably read that, realized it made zero sense, and put that in instead.
4. Which totally screws Xaro's return in A Dance With Dragons. How exactly is Xaro going to show up in Meereen with thirteen ships if they killed the 13 and he had no money and was locked up in a safe?
The way they're going I expect Dany to be Queen of Qarth at the start of season 3, no mention of Yunkai, Astapor, or Meereen at all.
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lol u guys are way overreacting....Davos dead, Dany queen of Qarth? They haven't strayed from the MAIN story points at all why would they start now D:. So Xaro might be dead and he wasn't rich. Who really cares? The only time we see him after book 2 is a small cameo in book 5. He's basically irrelevant after Clash of Kings.
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On June 05 2012 07:31 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:17 GDbushido wrote:
everything about this story is ridiculous, thats why its called fantasy. That is a very poor understanding of fantasy. You can invent any rule, but then you need to remain consistent with that new rule or else have very good reason for breaking it. Furthermore, readers/ viewers by default expect things to be behave more or less how it does in real life unless otherwise told (Human emotion, physics) so it's the job of the storyteller to properly introduce the changes and not rely upon plot convenient contrivances. It certainly is not anything goes and even if a world is ridiculous (Terry Gilliam stories) we expect the ridiculous world to behave according to it's own set of rules of ridiculousness.
To be fair, Martin is fond of Deus Ex Machina solutions. Brienne/Jaime avoiding capture in the boat, Tywin taking Stannis' army in the rear at the last second (and most other battles that have this miraculous last second reversal and victory), Jaime's arrival at King's Landing just in time to save Tyrion, etc.
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The house of the undying scene was disappointing. That chapter is one of my favorite in the entire series and they left so much out. So many awesome prophesies and then with all the blue mages trying to suck the life out of Dany.... SO much cooler in the books. I guess it wasn't that bad but it wasn't great either. Overall I felt underwhelmed by Dany's story line. I know it isn't that great in aCoK, but I feel as if Quarth didn't even feel all that exotic or rich and the characters could have been done better (like Xaro and the masked mage woman(can't recall her name)).
Next season they will have more to work with so hopefully her scenes will be done better.
Also, did anyone else feel that her locking up Xaro and the girl was out of character? Dany is usually "just" and often nice to a fault. She wouldn't be so needlessly cruel.
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It isn't any less cruel or just than staking the 40 or so Meerenese noblemen. It is within her character, as she has shown to be unmerciful, both in the past (with Miri) and future.
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On June 05 2012 13:08 setzer wrote:
It isn't any less cruel or just than staking the 40 or so Meerenese noblemen. It is within her character, as she has shown to be unmerciful, both in the past (with Miri) and future.
Yeah I'd say her character starts to change after she starts gaining "people", and they start calling her "mother". I feel like that's when she starts to soften up and have this sense of "I have to be a good ruler" mentality that we see later in the books, now I feel like she's still sort of a ba Dany that burns the shit out of people when they really piss her off.
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On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote:
The Daenerys storyline is as horrible on TV as it is in the books. Guess the director also realizes Daenerys wtfsux. Her entire storyline since Drogo died has been bullshit. Not to mention the Xaro Xhoan Xaxos character was utterly butchered.
1. Xaro is a slim, white man in the books. Fat black man in the show. I guess black and fat is more exotic.
2. Xaro is made out to be gay in both the books and on the tv show. WHY is he in bed with Daenerys' maid when they find him?
3. Xaro had plenty of money in the books. Xaro had plenty of money on the tv show. Suddenly, she opens the safe and there's no money? Oh, that's right. He had to put that rubbish twist into the TV series because in the books Daenerys inexplicably leaves Qarth without sacking it for its wealth. The show people probably read that, realized it made zero sense, and put that in instead.
4. Which totally screws Xaro's return in A Dance With Dragons. How exactly is Xaro going to show up in Meereen with thirteen ships if they killed the 13 and he had no money and was locked up in a safe?
Well, I agree that the alterations of the Daenerys storyline were a bit unneeded. But your point 3 isn't valid.
Dany had no means to sack Quarth. At that point she had Jora, her blood riders, and her meager khalasar of green boys and old men (in the books her newly acquired Ser Barriston and Strong Belwas). Not nearly enough to sack the city.
Also, they will 100% just omit your point 4. It's not crucial at all to the main plot is the exact type of thing thing that will get cut in a tv adaption I'd bet.
I wasn't enthused with how they handled the House of the Undying scene (was a difficult scene to create for sure though). Then again, I should probably go back and reread that. Just remember it being crazy and psychedelic.
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Man, I only read through book 2 and a bit of book 3 and I just have to come in here to ask a question. They cut out so much shit from this season that I loved from the books and it's actually making me a bit angry. I never read book one because I'm a lazy fuck and I heard that Season 1 was basically 100% on par with the book so I just skipped it and went right into book 2. I'm feeling like I was lied to now after watching this season?
The season itself was great I suppose, but still. I feel so cheated ;_;
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On June 05 2012 09:25 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 09:11 StorkHwaiting wrote:
The Daenerys storyline is as horrible on TV as it is in the books. Guess the director also realizes Daenerys wtfsux. Her entire storyline since Drogo died has been bullshit. Not to mention the Xaro Xhoan Xaxos character was utterly butchered.
1. Xaro is a slim, white man in the books. Fat black man in the show. I guess black and fat is more exotic.
2. Xaro is made out to be gay in both the books and on the tv show. WHY is he in bed with Daenerys' maid when they find him?
3. Xaro had plenty of money in the books. Xaro had plenty of money on the tv show. Suddenly, she opens the safe and there's no money? Oh, that's right. He had to put that rubbish twist into the TV series because in the books Daenerys inexplicably leaves Qarth without sacking it for its wealth. The show people probably read that, realized it made zero sense, and put that in instead.
4. Which totally screws Xaro's return in A Dance With Dragons. How exactly is Xaro going to show up in Meereen with thirteen ships if they killed the 13 and he had no money and was locked up in a safe? The way they're going I expect Dany to be Queen of Qarth at the start of season 3, no mention of Yunkai, Astapor, or Meereen at all.
If they leave out the part with the unsullied I'll be pretty mad.
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