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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On June 04 2012 21:23 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: valamorgoles! Love "the faceless man" from bravos. He's pure epic! also, final episode lasted 1 hour? EPIC! It's spelled "valar morghulis" and "Braavos." A little confusing I know, but that's how it is haha. Also, were you expecting it to be 2 hours? All the episodes are 1 hour long so far, and I was hoping for 2 for the finale. | ||
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patrickh
Denmark6 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19213 Posts
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
Theon's speech was awesome. Fitting conclusion. Jaqen was awesome. ``After all the things you've seen, this is your question?'' Brienne's absolutely badass. Tyrion+Shae romance is preferable to GRRM's hand at romance. Drogo is still the boss. Jon's story has finally reached the awesome zone. I think Ramin Diawadi's pulling the most weight. Awesome soundtrack when applied to the right scenes. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On June 04 2012 21:01 disciple wrote: I also dislike the changes they made in the Others appearance - they are supposed to look smooth and graceful, not like savages the Others aka white walkers were the white dudes on horses.. and they looked pretty majestic to me (though i dont remember them being described as smooth in the books). they even had the swords of ice, and had this sort of magic aura trailing behind them. i'm guessing you were talking about the guys on foot.. those were just wights (undead humans/animals) | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
On June 05 2012 00:09 Zelniq wrote: the Others aka white walkers were the white dudes on horses.. and they looked pretty majestic to me (though i dont remember them being described as smooth in the books). they even had the swords of ice, and had this sort of magic aura trailing behind them. i'm guessing you were talking about the guys on foot.. those were just wights (undead humans/animals) I think he was talking about that white guy looking old as the wall itself and having either a terrible ice beard or shit ton of wrinkles, I also got impression they would rather look like idk icy Appolos also about the Qarth and kalassar, they didn't kill everyone they just killed the men guarding the dragons, while I suppose most of them were in the city anyway and doreah i have no clue why they got rid of all her handmaidens when they do have quite a role later on... really not sure what to think about littlefinger being so brazen about his actual intentions, in the books we had no clue he wanted to help sansa until he killed doros but at this point it's the story of the show not the books I suppose, we can't really expect stuff to happen like it should  | ||
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
On June 05 2012 00:41 anomalopidae wrote: I think he was talking about that white guy looking old as the wall itself and having either a terrible ice beard or shit ton of wrinkles, I also got impression they would rather look like idk icy Appolos also about the Qarth and kalassar, they didn't kill everyone they just killed the men guarding the dragons, while I suppose most of them were in the city anyway and doreah i have no clue why they got rid of all her handmaidens when they do have quite a role later on... really not sure what to think about littlefinger being so brazen about his actual intentions, in the books we had no clue he wanted to help sansa until he killed doros but at this point it's the story of the show not the books I suppose, we can't really expect stuff to happen like it should he probably is as old as the wall itself | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
-King's landing. The main storyline of book 2 was very well done overall. They didn't skip over too many details and kept all the important scenes intact. The battle of blackwater was awesome to see on TV. Originally I didn't like how they portrayed Stannis but he grew on me since then and now Im back to loving him. Nothing really major in this storyline that I can find as a negative. -Daenerys. It was the most boring part of book 2...they tried to spice it up a bit and I can't fault them for it. Her scenes were still a low point but theres only so much they can do considering the source material. A bit dissapointed they didnt show Rhaegar in the house of the undying but I can let it slide. -Arya....overall also very well done. They did a nice job replacing Roose with Tywin and the actor playing Jaquen was fkn awesome. Probably best acting job of the season as far as being exactly like his book counterpart. Only complaint is they didnt have Arya kill anyone the whole season when she should be building up a body count -_- As for my negatives... -Winterfell....Theon's actor did a great job but other than that I wasn't a fan of the changes. Reek was one of my fav parts of book 2 and not included at all. The way they wrapped it up must also be confusing as fuck for TV only people. Should've at least had the ironmen make a deal with Ramsay and get backstabbed after or something instead of just leaving it up in the air. -Beyond the Wall....my main problem with this part was that for a book to TV show there are changes that can be understood and changes that are completely unecessary. Every change they made here falls in the later section. There was no need for Jon to get lost with Ygrette. His scenes with Qorin in the book were awesome and would've made their fight a lot more exciting. If the book would've been left intact here both TV viewers and readers would've been better for it. Good job on the white walkers tho | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On April 10 2012 01:58 SilverLeagueElite wrote: I gotta agree. A lot of the strength of the main players (Littlefinger, Pycelle, Varys) comes from not knowing their motivations. Characters who kept you guessing as to what their game is. Reminds me of the Pycelle reveal from S1. I expect Varys to do something 'in character' shortly - a sense of dread looms over me when I think that Ros might be involved somehow. lol Ros/Varys. Fuckin called it. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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czylu
477 Posts
On June 04 2012 13:51 obesemk wrote: Imho there were way too many storylines in this season; They barely have enough time to swiftly touch upon the most important characters. Yet still they manage to spend so much time on unimportant scenes like that talk between the dickless man and little finger's fav prostitute. This has been the case for me throughout this season. I find myself bored by the often unnecessary and often not very interesting dialogues dragging out endlessly. Disappointing. I liked the end scene with that undead horse and the scary guy riding the horse. It was an effective ending for keeping viewers interested; too bad this show never even remotely lives up to its cliffhangers. But thats just me. Im glad others seem to have enjoyed this season. I just feel...unsatisfied. When I read this on the main thread, I just had to chuckle. This is probably the best part about the books, the most important characters are the least highlighted. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:19 setzer wrote:No prophesies, no Rhaegar, no undying ones, and horrible cgi dragon flame. I actually laughed out loud when the guy got torched, for some reason I just kept thinking "not enough fire resist, bro!" I agree it was pretty disappointing, the Red Keep and Wall visions didn't really seem to have a deeper meaning; I did admire the scene where Dany walks away from Khal Drogo and their baby, though, knowing that must be hard for her. I was also a little disappointed in the last scene with the white walkers and wights -- it started out pretty epic with the three blasts, but then the white walker staring Sam in the face and ignoring him, the so-so CGI, and the zombie army pan out kind of ruined the mood for me. I don't think we should have seen the white walkers so up close and clear just yet, it ruins the mystery. Let them come in the night, or show us the dead horse with something holding a weapon of ice, but not the full close-up face shot. I didn't have a clear image of them in my mind, but I think it was better that way -- more mysterious, more frightening. I don't know -- while I enjoyed it overall, I think I find myself being able to forgive the faults of the show because I'm not expecting all that much of it. I mean, I love the books, though I haven't read 1-4 for a few years; I don't expect the show to equal the books in overall storytelling, though. Instead it gives me a chance to enjoy things from a different perspective, in a different way. For example, I liked Tyrion in the books, but Peter Dinklage brings a whole new level to it. I guess for me the series is a nice supplement to the books. The series is overall extremely good, I think, I'm just not sure how I'd feel about it if I were holding it against the standard of the books or watching it on its own without knowing anything more than what we see on screen. Going to be a long wait for season three, though :-( | ||
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Flik
Canada256 Posts
Why didn't they show the Bastard of Bolton? That must of been pretty confusing for people that haven't read the book. I just think the whole Winterfell story was poorly executed and could have been done so much better with the same amount of screen time. The Theon/Luwin bit was pretty good, thats all Im giving credit too. Not a big fan of the Jon/Qhorin story either, for pretty well the same reasons everyone is saying. I like the Jon/Ygritte relationship though and I think his story will get a lot stronger next season with the Wildlings. I know it seems like I bitch a lot but I really do love the show... really!! haha | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:42 Flik wrote: I thought the House of the Undying was going pretty good until the Drogo scene. She walks into a throne room covered in snow and then through the Wall. Showing her real path. I was kinda disappointed in how Pyat Pree died "oh look at the cute little dragons breathing smoke... oh theres fire... oh my shirts on fire... oh no Im a fuckin flaming mess now". Dragons shoulda been a little bigger too. Why didn't they show the Bastard of Bolton? That must of been pretty confusing for people that haven't read the book. I just think the whole Winterfell story was poorly executed and could have been done so much better with the same amount of screen time. The Theon/Luwin bit was pretty good, thats all Im giving credit too. Not a big fan of the Jon/Qhorin story either, for pretty well the same reasons everyone is saying. I like the Jon/Ygritte relationship though and I think his story will get a lot stronger next season with the Wildlings. I know it seems like I bitch a lot but I really do love the show... really!! haha Well, it's clear that HBO's GoT suffers from budget constraints, with the non-appearance of the Blackfish, Edmure, the Bastard of Bolton and the Reed siblings making the TV storyline much harder to follow and forcing certain storyline shifts. Some things can't really be forgiven such as the Jon/Qhorin relationship and the shambles they made out of Dany's Qarth storyline. However, I find myself having relatively low expectations of the show in comparison to books 1-3. I hope the show improves on Martin's books 4-5 though. One thing I love about the episode is the direction from Alan Taylor, who has always been outstanding in capturing the mood of the scene. The acting on the whole has been quite good, with Varys and Theon especially well-acted. The cinematography is absolutely brilliant imo, and that's where I find most of my joy from watching the series, because despite some bad writing decisions, I can still see the ASOIAF universe in visual media in relatively consistent bursts. | ||
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elt
Thailand1092 Posts
I agree about showing the Wight army and the Others in that way... Ah, that's my only real complaint I guess. Otherwise, loved the series, could have been much worse. aCoK is really the only book I can't bring myself to think about re-reading again. Question: has there been mention of Tysha at all? ... I guess that's my other problem. The Shae and Tyrion relationship, though I guess that it's to make the betrayal(?) all the more painful and poignant when it happens. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:42 Flik wrote: I thought the House of the Undying was going pretty good until the Drogo scene. She walks into a throne room covered in snow and then through the Wall. Showing her real path. I was kinda disappointed in how Pyat Pree died "oh look at the cute little dragons breathing smoke... oh theres fire... oh my shirts on fire... oh no Im a fuckin flaming mess now". Dragons shoulda been a little bigger too. Why didn't they show the Bastard of Bolton? That must of been pretty confusing for people that haven't read the book. I just think the whole Winterfell story was poorly executed and could have been done so much better with the same amount of screen time. The Theon/Luwin bit was pretty good, thats all Im giving credit too. Not a big fan of the Jon/Qhorin story either, for pretty well the same reasons everyone is saying. I like the Jon/Ygritte relationship though and I think his story will get a lot stronger next season with the Wildlings. I know it seems like I bitch a lot but I really do love the show... really!! haha The way that they set up the Ramsay and Roose story is quite different. In the book Ramsay was set up to be a rebellious bastard who was out to take power while the north is undefended (which really requires the Lady Hornwood backstory to be explained). In the show we know that he is doing his fathers bidding. If we see Ramsay sack winterfell then that would implicate Roose as a bad guy. I imagine they are going to keep the sack of winterfell a mystery until the red wedding so Roose's betrayal is more shocking. I do much prefer the way the sack of winterfell was portrayed in the book because it highlights Ramsay's cruelty/ruthlessness and overshadows everything Theon had done. Also the Reek/Ramsay switcheroo was cool, albeit really confusing. I can understand why they did do it that way in the show though. It would require way to much explaining to set up Ramsay's character and make people think he wasn't in league with his father. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 05 2012 01:59 elt wrote: Question: has there been mention of Tysha at all? ... I guess that's my other problem. The Shae and Tyrion relationship, though I guess that it's to make the betrayal(?) all the more painful and poignant when it happens. Ya, he tells the Tysha story in season 1 when Him, Shae and Bronn are drinking in the tent. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
So.. are there any hidden predictions in the HotU scenes from the show, too? About things that didn't even happen yet in the books? Think about it. The throne room in King's Landing, utterly destroyed, snow falling everywhere.. What if that really happens? Winter is only just beginning in the books, and it's entirely possible that the dragons will (finally) be involved with stuff happening in Westeros. And it's entirely possible that they attack King's Landing, destroying half the city.. How awesome would it be if there's some hidden meanings behind those scenes? | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 05 2012 02:12 HeavOnEarth wrote: well judging by the posts in the thread, i shall read the books now . :O Judging by the giant warning in size 40 font in the OP, you should read the books. ;D | ||
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