EPT[Movie] Atlas Shrugged: Part 1 - Page 5
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On February 14 2011 05:08 gyth wrote: Here is a similar blog, maybe a little more reasonable. http://www.bnet.com/blog/salesmachine/top-10-reasons-ayn-rand-was-dead-wrong/11984 Wow, that article is terrible. I didn't know levels of terribleness existed on the internet in anything but 4chan. To summarize the article I don't think capitalism works in the real world and the philosophy is unethical because i think so and ayn rand was a bad person, therefore objectivism is bad, oh and down with the man [CEO's] | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On February 12 2011 12:13 Offhand wrote: It's not worth debating the principles of such philosophy with someone who's already too far down the rabbit whole... I can tell you that in a true free market/libertarian world, you wouldn't be the Randian captain of industry in control of your own destiny. You'd likely be working in a sweatshop, for barely a livable wage. It's silly, but that's exactly why this dribble appeals to young people. They fashion themselves as completely in control of their own lives, running their own businesses, and putting down others instead of the other way around. It's not part of the doctrine of objectivism that in a perfect society everyone would get to be a captain of industry and that includes me. You have to be both willing and able and that accounts for a very small minority indeed. I don't however ascribe to the notion that i'm entitled to be just as well off, and that the able being a small minority and at the same time getting something out of it is inherently immoral or unfair. Nor do i foolishly refuse to recognize that in a society of optimized individual freedom, if my work is truly any good, i can expect it to be valued by others, and how much they value my work defines how much they'd be willing to trade me for it in their own best interest. Beyond that, one has to know what one's work is worth and be sure to demand exactly what they are willing to trade for it. At what point would i not be in control? + Show Spoiler + I've just had this sitting in a .txt file on my desktop for the last week and basically reread it to confirm it's actually what i want to say. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:21 Shiragaku wrote: I have not read the book but is the novel about the rich going on strike and the poor cannot do anything without leeching off of them? Its about + Show Spoiler + a man who invents a new engine and then goes into hiding because he is screwed over by socialism and new age gurus. He gets all the rich innovate people to go on strike and all the socialist take over and everything goes to shit. Lots of sex, philosophy and some sci-fi stuff at the end | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:24 Jswizzy wrote: Its about + Show Spoiler + a man who invents a new engine and then goes into hiding because he is screwed over by socialism and new age gurus. He gets all the rich innovate people to go on strike and all the socialist take over and everything goes to shit Sounds like a book that is the libertarian/conservative Bible. | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:25 Shiragaku wrote: Sounds like a book that is the libertarian/conservative Bible. Except it promotes Atheism the best ism in the world. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:26 Jswizzy wrote: Except it promotes Atheism the best ism in the world. Haha, I know that Ayn is incredibly critical of religion but many Bible thumping conservatives seem to like her. Off topic + Show Spoiler + EDIT: But gah...the reason I hate libertarians so much is because they seem to believe that they would be supermans if it was not for the fucking government. And just get rid of government. It is that fucking simple. I wonder why no one has tried it yet. This is a generalization but many young libertarians that are not into politics enough seem to have that train of thought. And they overuse the word open minded. | ||
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elkram
United States221 Posts
I don't care about the philosophy, I've also never read the book (don't have the energy to read a 1k+page book), but just looking at the trailer it seems boring and quite a stretch. Really!? They are going to have Lexuses and luxury cars and everything else, and the biggest issue is trains? What the hell? Who cares about trains when I can fly my private jet, or drive a car with satellite radio and an HDTV? Maybe if they had made it in the 50s, or sometime earlier, where trains were still relevant, then it would make sense, but from the looks of the trailer they set it in the modern day and to that i say: Who cares about trains?! | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On February 19 2011 18:07 elkram wrote: Um...what? That wasn't very good, unless this is fake, in which case good try, but I don't think it would be a good movie. Oh wait, it is real! This will definitely not be a good movie. I don't care about the philosophy, I've also never read the book (don't have the energy to read a 1k+page book), but just looking at the trailer it seems boring and quite a stretch. Really!? They are going to have Lexuses and luxury cars and everything else, and the biggest issue is trains? What the hell? Who cares about trains when I can fly my private jet, or drive a car with satellite radio and an HDTV? Maybe if they had made it in the 50s, or sometime earlier, where trains were still relevant, then it would make sense, but from the looks of the trailer they set it in the modern day and to that i say: Who cares about trains?! Trains move a hell of a lot more than just people. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:27 Shiragaku wrote: Off topic But gah...the reason I hate libertarians so much is because they seem to believe that they would be supermans if it was not for the fucking government. And just get rid of government. It is that fucking simple. I wonder why no one has tried it yet. This is a generalization but many young libertarians that are not into politics enough seem to have that train of thought. And they overuse the word open minded. I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with a sense of superiority but more of a desire for individual freedom. Govt naturally gets in the way of this. Libertarians seem more inline with classic liberalism in this regard. Rand hated libertarians also, so already you have something in common - though maybe for different reasons. That 'Atlas Shrugged' continues to remain relevant to the present is interesting, despite the critics who continue to dismiss it. | ||
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RebelMusic
United States66 Posts
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On February 19 2011 18:07 elkram wrote: Um...what? That wasn't very good, unless this is fake, in which case good try, but I don't think it would be a good movie. Oh wait, it is real! This will definitely not be a good movie. I don't care about the philosophy, I've also never read the book (don't have the energy to read a 1k+page book), but just looking at the trailer it seems boring and quite a stretch. Really!? They are going to have Lexuses and luxury cars and everything else, and the biggest issue is trains? What the hell? Who cares about trains when I can fly my private jet, or drive a car with satellite radio and an HDTV? Maybe if they had made it in the 50s, or sometime earlier, where trains were still relevant, then it would make sense, but from the looks of the trailer they set it in the modern day and to that i say: Who cares about trains?! Trains are extremely relevant to countries like Japan and I think maybe Europe and heavily urban areas. I am pretty sure the US still uses them for shipping goods quite heavily. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
Full Review By David Kelly The skeptics are wrong. The completed film was shown today for the first time in a private screening. It is simply beautiful. With a screenplay faithful to the narrative and message of the novel, the adaptation is lushly produced. The acting, cinematography, and score create a powerful experience of the story. Obviously if you are a detractor of Ayn Rand you probably won't enjoy a faithful adaptation. Sorry. But I think a wider scope of people will agree with Kelly that "This film is going to turbocharge the debate over Rand’s vision of capitalism as a moral ideal." Considering the film comes out on tax day while collective bargainers conduct a circus in several states it seems like something of a perfect storm for an objectivist debate. Finally, check out this scene. If you have read the book, does it capture the moment well? For me it really does. I love the music, the acting, the production - It really gets me hyped. Check out the reactions of other people who actually care in the comments section at the movie promotion site | ||
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texasjoe1983
39 Posts
I will watch these movies. I will take my friends and family to watch these movies. I will put 5 stars on them when they hit my Netflix queue... | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
- Ayn Rand, in summary. Her egoism was thinly veiled worship of the top of the pyramid; I can't see it for anything else. I'll probably pirate the movie and maybe, maybe watch it. | ||
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jeremysaint
Canada80 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 14 2011 04:32 TheBlueMeaner wrote: Bioshock was supposed to have been inspired by this novel, but it really does not resemble anything at all... Bioshock was inspired by Atlas Shrugged in that the entirety of the game was a scathing criticism of what was proposed by Ayn Rand in her book. | ||
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Adzigari
United States44 Posts
On March 01 2011 05:35 koreasilver wrote: Bioshock was inspired by Atlas Shrugged in that the entirety of the game was a scathing criticism of what was proposed by Ayn Rand in her book. I dont think it was a "scathing criticism" of the book. If you piece everything together (especially listening to Andrew Ryan's audio logs towards the end) I think the developers were trying to show what would happen if you implemented that kind of society into the real world, given how we really act. Andrew had the best of intentions for the city, but the general population misinterpreted his ideals, and took his elitism too seriously, so the city fell into chaos. They took self-absorption too far. I would give better examples, but its been like 2 years since ive played through it, but I think the devs like the concept of Atlas Shrugged, but wanted to show the big holes in it. The amount of effort they put into the game gives me that impression. The perfection required to make that society possible is far beyond our ability right now, which Atlas Shrugged takes for granted that the tip top of producers and business men have that perfection. I mean, yeah you could run a perfect society if its filled with nothing but demi-gods who are (basically) omniscient. I do agree with Thoreau when he says that a society needs to have a common direction with its people in order to function, but good luck finding a handful of people with tons of resources who want to work together to make a great society and not backstab the other ones for "irrational" reasons. Overall, humanity is too young to play nice on a large scale. | ||
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