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On February 12 2011 12:11 SirKibbleX wrote:
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
(Not my quote).
I'll one up you and go less subtle;
"I used to think Ayn Rand was the bomb but I outgrew it. You know, when I turned 12."
"-there is no middle ground here, no way for us to meet halfway in intellectual compromise; If you are an Objectivist, you are retarded. This is a judgement call, and I just made it. Grow up or fuck off. Those are your two options.'
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/03/10/seriously-fuck-ayn-rand/
That's from some blog called Gin and Tacos that I know nothing about. I'm fairly certain the writer is a college professor, talking there about the rise of Rand fandom in college students.
"It's exactly the kind of anti-intellectual, preachy, self-aggrandizing shit that plays well with immature people who think the world revolves around them - in other words, college kids."
The tone seems harsh...but I can't help but agree with the sentiment.
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To all the people bashing Atlas Shrugged based on the overt political overtones - what did you think of Starship Troopers (the novel!!)?
It is another book that is very heavy handed in it's portrayal and encouragement of a particular political system, but not many readers take it as propaganda. It is merely the end result of the question "What would happen if fascism and militarism worked?"
I look at Atlas Shrugged the same way. I didn't analyze it on the merits of the ultra capitalism, but just a story with "ultra capitalism = good" as one of the fundamental tenets to it's construction, and wrapped that up with the rest of my suspension of disbelief.
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I dont get the story wtf is all this talk about metal...
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On February 13 2011 10:50 OPSavioR wrote:
I dont get the story wtf is all this talk about metal...
Go search for "the metal" on youtube and it should explain it well enough.
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sounds like that the international is gonna be topped by this flick as "boring flick about some kind of conspiracy that isnt entertaining at all"
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Oh... my...
+ Show Spoiler +
One of my roommate's dads recommended him Ayn Rand, so this is nourishing bile. Thank you.
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http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/03/10/seriously-fuck-ayn-rand/
That blog certainly lives up to its name, it's Opiate of the Asses alright.
Conventional wisdom is wrong. It's not "Liberal at 20 or no heart, conservative at 30 or no brain." Only the young can indulge (on mom and dad's tuition dollar, by the way) this kind of solipsistic ME ME ME horseshit.
Life is a battle between:
people who scream: me me me
and
people who scream: stop serving yourself... (and start serving me).
pick the lesser of the 2 evils.
But I'd have to say that Ayn Rand was pretty naive, truly selfish people should just start their own communist parties, rally a bunch of delusional followers, overthrow their current government, become the dictator, and then exploit the said followers for being stupid enough to follow them.
or a safer route: start your own cult (under a banner of altruism, love, equality, and friendship and all that jazz), and then suck all the money/life out of your naive followers.
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[QUOTE]On February 13 2011 09:48 The KY wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 12 2011 12:11 SirKibbleX wrote:
"It's exactly the kind of anti-intellectual, preachy, self-aggrandizing shit that plays well with immature people who think the world revolves around them - in other words, college kids."
The tone seems harsh...but I can't help but agree with the sentiment.[/QUOTE]
I think it's rather amusing to think of it as anti-intellectual. It's almost as if he doesn't get the point :o
At any rate, the movie is going to suck. I can count on none of my hands the number of book to movie transitions that have not sucked.
Coupled with the fact that the guy making it was just like "LOL AHM RUNNIN OUT OF TIME", doesn't say much for it. Additionally, if it's being made and backed by American conservatives who like to quote it and not actually understand that they're part of the problem Rand was screaming about.. well.
I'm betting anything that Michael Bay could make a better movie from it, and that's saying something 
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Bioshock is the most brilliant piece of literary criticism I've ever come across, and it is a way better response to Atlas Shrugged than anything I could hope to put in writing.
And the most genius part is how it does it with artistry and extreme quality in its story-telling, highlighting in that way the glaring lack of that in Rand's world.
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wow this seems like a really bad movie
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Bioshock was supposed to have been inspired by this novel, but it really does not resemble anything at all...
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On February 14 2011 03:40 Kalingingsong wrote:That blog certainly lives up to its name, it's Opiate of the Asses alright. Show nested quote +Conventional wisdom is wrong. It's not "Liberal at 20 or no heart, conservative at 30 or no brain." Only the young can indulge (on mom and dad's tuition dollar, by the way) this kind of solipsistic ME ME ME horseshit. Life is a battle between: people who scream: me me me and people who scream: stop serving yourself... (and start serving me). pick the lesser of the 2 evils. But I'd have to say that Ayn Rand was pretty naive, truly selfish people should just start their own communist parties, rally a bunch of delusional followers, overthrow their current government, become the dictator, and then exploit the said followers for being stupid enough to follow them. or a safer route: start your own cult (under a banner of altruism, love, equality, and friendship and all that jazz), and then suck all the money/life out of your naive followers.
You know you have used 2 non-existent things in your post?
There is no such thing as lesser evil and there is no such thing as altruism.
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You know you have used 2 non-existent things in your post?
There is no such thing as lesser evil and there is no such thing as altruism.
hmm,
replace lesser evil, with "whatever one you are willing to live with more"
altruism can exist as a meme, else there wouldn't be a word for it.
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Like the book and will watch the movie but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be bad.
And lol at the people trying to demonize Ayn Rand.
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wonderful book.
however this looks absolutely terrible.
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I'll bet they fucken ruin it. My favourite book. Sigh.
Oh I also tried to find some kind of argument in that "Fuck Ayn Rand" article and couldn't find one.
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On February 12 2011 08:17 howerpower wrote:
I love that book, really don't wanna a see a movie based on it though.
edit: will the actual film include battles at troy?
Haven't read the novel yet, but there are battles at troy in this story? Or are you talking about a different movie??
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I worked at The Ayn Rand Institute. I know many Objectivists. Among Objectivists who are professional intellectuals, the reaction to the trailer has been that it is bad. Among Objectivists who are not, the reaction has been mixed. Personally, the trailer excited me and I'm hoping that the movie is great (while it wouldn't surprise me if it is bad).
If you read AS and you liked it you should check out the link above.
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I haven't read the book (though I do know about the "Who is John Galt?" thing), but this trailer makes it look incredibly boring...
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