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On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there.
Ugh, no thanks. One hour of Walking Dead's enough bullshit for me to cringe through.
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Hyrule19077 Posts
if you hate it so much stop watching it and then complaining about how much you hate it in this thread please
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On February 13 2015 00:40 tofucake wrote: if you hate it so much stop watching it and then complaining about how much you hate it in this thread please
Seriously... Makes it sound like someone is forcing him to watch the show.
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On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there. If you need to watch an aftershow to enjoy the show, the show is crappy to begin with and its writers should be fired immediately.
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On February 11 2015 00:53 parkufarku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 23:45 -Archangel- wrote:On February 10 2015 10:56 parkufarku wrote:On February 10 2015 05:21 -Archangel- wrote: This episode was sooo bad. 35 minutes of extra melodrama and stupid death. Even Beth's death made more sense. The screenwriters are crap, they need to be fired instantly. I think I am going to go back to comics and finish reading them and forget about this terrible show. No Beth's death made less sense. Beth threw away her life by exacting revenge when it was already given that she was going back to the group. She knew, that at that point, that would've been death, and she did it anyway. Pretty much suicide for no good reason. Tyreese's death is actually very rational, because it shows that solidified characters can get killed off easily by random zombie encounters. And it shows that no one is safe because 1 second of not focusing can lead to quick death. It also shows that amputation doesn't always save the person. No it is not. It is just another Ninja zombie moment that kills the show. And he died because of loss of blood, amputation or not has nothing to do with it. The "ninja zombie moment" might not seem like a kill that has a purpose on the surface, but if you think about it, it shows to reassure us that many important characters on the show can be killed off by a stray random zombie, even in seemingly safe places, at any moment, by a few seconds of lack of concentration. You might not like it, but it's actually not bad. It makes the show seem way more realistic. Not every important character has to have a glorified major drama-build up death. Beth's death, on the other hand, was just purely illogical on her part (anyone would've known they would get shot for doing that), and revenge for Noah was only built up for a very brief amount of time.
maybe daryl accidentally misfires his crossbow and killed someone... carol will have heart attack out of nowhere.... or rick died because of a random falling block from a delapitated building...
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On January 26 2015 20:15 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 20:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2015 02:53 Scorch wrote: Season 5 was one of the better seasons, but that doesn't make The Walking Dead a good show. TWD has great potential, but squanders it. What irks me the most is forced drama all the time, be it due to people acting irrationally or outright stupid, or deus ex machina stealthy ninja zombies coming out of nowhere. The only reason I'm still here is because I like zombies and theorycrafting what to do in a zombie apocalypse. I just wonder when people say Walking Dead isn't a good show what shows they are thinking are better? I don't know about others but for me there are many. Out of those that are running at same time there is Game of Thrones, Marco Polo, Fargo, House of Cards and Vikings as top tier shows. I also have more fun watching Arrow, Flash and Agents of Shield and Continuum as mid tier ones. Also different short shows like Sherlock, Utopia and Black Mirror are better.
On February 10 2015 05:21 -Archangel- wrote: This episode was sooo bad. 35 minutes of extra melodrama and stupid death. Even Beth's death made more sense. The screenwriters are crap, they need to be fired instantly. I think I am going to go back to comics and finish reading them and forget about this terrible show.
On February 11 2015 01:38 -Archangel- wrote: Ninja zombie would be much more effective if normally zombies were not made of paper and as easily killed. If they keep breaking their own rules, of course people that watch the show are going to call them out on it.
On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. The whole set up was lame and breaking show internal rules. It is hard to take a show like this seriously when it does this often. I like Z nation more for this reason. They didn't try to present themselves as a serious show but another fun zombie show. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief.
On February 13 2015 00:59 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there. If you need to watch an aftershow to enjoy the show, the show is crappy to begin with and its writers should be fired immediately. Sooo... I think you've made your point about the show? Why don't you just stop watching the show and stop complaining in this thread? You said it yourself you enjoy other shows, so just enjoy those ones and stop posting stuff that doesn't add more to this discussion about the actual show instead stuff about "horrible writers needing to be fired" or "breaking the show's own rules", because we see your opinion since you've made it quite clear with several posts.
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On February 13 2015 04:53 freeshooter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 20:15 -Archangel- wrote:On January 26 2015 20:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2015 02:53 Scorch wrote: Season 5 was one of the better seasons, but that doesn't make The Walking Dead a good show. TWD has great potential, but squanders it. What irks me the most is forced drama all the time, be it due to people acting irrationally or outright stupid, or deus ex machina stealthy ninja zombies coming out of nowhere. The only reason I'm still here is because I like zombies and theorycrafting what to do in a zombie apocalypse. I just wonder when people say Walking Dead isn't a good show what shows they are thinking are better? I don't know about others but for me there are many. Out of those that are running at same time there is Game of Thrones, Marco Polo, Fargo, House of Cards and Vikings as top tier shows. I also have more fun watching Arrow, Flash and Agents of Shield and Continuum as mid tier ones. Also different short shows like Sherlock, Utopia and Black Mirror are better. Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 05:21 -Archangel- wrote: This episode was sooo bad. 35 minutes of extra melodrama and stupid death. Even Beth's death made more sense. The screenwriters are crap, they need to be fired instantly. I think I am going to go back to comics and finish reading them and forget about this terrible show. Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 01:38 -Archangel- wrote: Ninja zombie would be much more effective if normally zombies were not made of paper and as easily killed. If they keep breaking their own rules, of course people that watch the show are going to call them out on it. Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. The whole set up was lame and breaking show internal rules. It is hard to take a show like this seriously when it does this often. I like Z nation more for this reason. They didn't try to present themselves as a serious show but another fun zombie show. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief. Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 00:59 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there. If you need to watch an aftershow to enjoy the show, the show is crappy to begin with and its writers should be fired immediately. Sooo... I think you've made your point about the show? Why don't you just stop watching the show and stop complaining in this thread? You said it yourself you enjoy other shows, so just enjoy those ones and stop posting stuff that doesn't add more to this discussion about the actual show instead stuff about "horrible writers needing to be fired" or "breaking the show's own rules", because we see your opinion since you've made it quite clear with several posts.
Yeah really unless you are some sort of masochist you should just go back to watching some of the terrible shows that you like.
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Ignore the trolls. If you're so bored that you're watching shows you don't enjoy, you should get a job or study harder.
With that being said, I thought that was a pretty poor episode. I don't know how other people feel but I never really liked Tyrese's character. He didn't fit into any particular character arch-type and always seemed to be lost. I was under the impression that the comic version of Tyrese had a stronger personality and was more of a leader. Maybe the writers realized that the character wasn't working and decided to kill him off.
From my perspective, I just watched an episode primarily devoted to killing off someone I never really liked in the first place. I suppose it would have been better for people who like him? Also, could someone shed some light on the meaning of the hallucinations? I really didn't understand that part.
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Hyrule19077 Posts
the comic version of Tyrese was Tdog, but less of a little bitch than Tdog in the show.
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On February 13 2015 10:20 B1nary wrote: Ignore the trolls. If you're so bored that you're watching shows you don't enjoy, you should get a job or study harder.
With that being said, I thought that was a pretty poor episode. I don't know how other people feel but I never really liked Tyrese's character. He didn't fit into any particular character arch-type and always seemed to be lost. I was under the impression that the comic version of Tyrese had a stronger personality and was more of a leader. Maybe the writers realized that the character wasn't working and decided to kill him off.
From my perspective, I just watched an episode primarily devoted to killing off someone I never really liked in the first place. I suppose it would have been better for people who like him? Also, could someone shed some light on the meaning of the hallucinations? I really didn't understand that part.
I'm not sure if this should be considered spoilers since he is dead on the show now, but someone I know who read the comics said in those he actually died way back at the prison, so the writers actually decided to keep him around quite a bit longer.
While I agree this episode wasn't the greatest, everyone is focusing too much on Tyreese's death. If you watch the episode closely their are a lot of subtle hints that foreshadow what the group may encounter for the rest of the season. Since this was technically a "mid season premier" by the way they split the seasons, I'm not sure why so many people were expecting much to happen story wise. The groups last main source of conflict has been settled, and now the writers need some time to set up whatever the next source of conflict is. It appears to be whoever or whatever was mutilating all those bodies they found in and around the area. If you watch closely when they first enter the neighborhood, in the background there is some spray-painted writing that says something about "the wolves" or something like that. What that means I have no idea but I imagine it is connected to the massacre of the town. Will be interesting to see just how deadly these people are and whether they are just survivors who have resorted to sadistic shit or if they have access to better resources from somewhere.
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On February 13 2015 10:20 B1nary wrote: Ignore the trolls. If you're so bored that you're watching shows you don't enjoy, you should get a job or study harder.
With that being said, I thought that was a pretty poor episode. I don't know how other people feel but I never really liked Tyrese's character. He didn't fit into any particular character arch-type and always seemed to be lost. I was under the impression that the comic version of Tyrese had a stronger personality and was more of a leader. Maybe the writers realized that the character wasn't working and decided to kill him off.
From my perspective, I just watched an episode primarily devoted to killing off someone I never really liked in the first place. I suppose it would have been better for people who like him? Also, could someone shed some light on the meaning of the hallucinations? I really didn't understand that part.
It was kind of like his "life flashing before his eyes". The governor kind of represented hell while the rest represented heaven (other than the guy from the sanctuary). The governor also served as a reminder of when he said "I'll do whatever it takes to get included" or whatever when he first met the Gov. This was proof that he wasn't willing/able to "whatever it took" and this was the price. The two sides also represent the internal struggle of Tyreese. Between wanting to still be a moral being in an immoral world.
Finally Andrew Lincoln (intended to be vaguely familiar) on the radio was a long throw back to when Tyreese mentioned how his dad listened to bad news on the radio because he wanted to do his part.
Just a quick summing up. They are a bit more detailed on the Talking dead description though if you want more.
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On February 13 2015 04:53 freeshooter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 20:15 -Archangel- wrote:On January 26 2015 20:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2015 02:53 Scorch wrote: Season 5 was one of the better seasons, but that doesn't make The Walking Dead a good show. TWD has great potential, but squanders it. What irks me the most is forced drama all the time, be it due to people acting irrationally or outright stupid, or deus ex machina stealthy ninja zombies coming out of nowhere. The only reason I'm still here is because I like zombies and theorycrafting what to do in a zombie apocalypse. I just wonder when people say Walking Dead isn't a good show what shows they are thinking are better? I don't know about others but for me there are many. Out of those that are running at same time there is Game of Thrones, Marco Polo, Fargo, House of Cards and Vikings as top tier shows. I also have more fun watching Arrow, Flash and Agents of Shield and Continuum as mid tier ones. Also different short shows like Sherlock, Utopia and Black Mirror are better. Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 05:21 -Archangel- wrote: This episode was sooo bad. 35 minutes of extra melodrama and stupid death. Even Beth's death made more sense. The screenwriters are crap, they need to be fired instantly. I think I am going to go back to comics and finish reading them and forget about this terrible show. Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 01:38 -Archangel- wrote: Ninja zombie would be much more effective if normally zombies were not made of paper and as easily killed. If they keep breaking their own rules, of course people that watch the show are going to call them out on it. Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. The whole set up was lame and breaking show internal rules. It is hard to take a show like this seriously when it does this often. I like Z nation more for this reason. They didn't try to present themselves as a serious show but another fun zombie show. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief. Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 00:59 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there. If you need to watch an aftershow to enjoy the show, the show is crappy to begin with and its writers should be fired immediately. Sooo... I think you've made your point about the show? Why don't you just stop watching the show and stop complaining in this thread? You said it yourself you enjoy other shows, so just enjoy those ones and stop posting stuff that doesn't add more to this discussion about the actual show instead stuff about "horrible writers needing to be fired" or "breaking the show's own rules", because we see your opinion since you've made it quite clear with several posts. Because this is the topic where we discuss about the show, both good and bad. Deal with it.
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On February 13 2015 16:13 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 04:53 freeshooter wrote:On January 26 2015 20:15 -Archangel- wrote:On January 26 2015 20:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2015 02:53 Scorch wrote: Season 5 was one of the better seasons, but that doesn't make The Walking Dead a good show. TWD has great potential, but squanders it. What irks me the most is forced drama all the time, be it due to people acting irrationally or outright stupid, or deus ex machina stealthy ninja zombies coming out of nowhere. The only reason I'm still here is because I like zombies and theorycrafting what to do in a zombie apocalypse. I just wonder when people say Walking Dead isn't a good show what shows they are thinking are better? I don't know about others but for me there are many. Out of those that are running at same time there is Game of Thrones, Marco Polo, Fargo, House of Cards and Vikings as top tier shows. I also have more fun watching Arrow, Flash and Agents of Shield and Continuum as mid tier ones. Also different short shows like Sherlock, Utopia and Black Mirror are better. On February 10 2015 05:21 -Archangel- wrote: This episode was sooo bad. 35 minutes of extra melodrama and stupid death. Even Beth's death made more sense. The screenwriters are crap, they need to be fired instantly. I think I am going to go back to comics and finish reading them and forget about this terrible show. On February 11 2015 01:38 -Archangel- wrote: Ninja zombie would be much more effective if normally zombies were not made of paper and as easily killed. If they keep breaking their own rules, of course people that watch the show are going to call them out on it. On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. The whole set up was lame and breaking show internal rules. It is hard to take a show like this seriously when it does this often. I like Z nation more for this reason. They didn't try to present themselves as a serious show but another fun zombie show. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief. On February 13 2015 00:59 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there. If you need to watch an aftershow to enjoy the show, the show is crappy to begin with and its writers should be fired immediately. Sooo... I think you've made your point about the show? Why don't you just stop watching the show and stop complaining in this thread? You said it yourself you enjoy other shows, so just enjoy those ones and stop posting stuff that doesn't add more to this discussion about the actual show instead stuff about "horrible writers needing to be fired" or "breaking the show's own rules", because we see your opinion since you've made it quite clear with several posts. Because this is the topic where we discuss about the show, both good and bad. Deal with it.
You're still missing the point... Why keep watching a show you don't like so you can whine about the writing here?
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It kinda seems like they were addressing the "goal" situation in this episode. Michionne was going on about have one more day with a chance, while tyrese was going on about "it's not over". Some people keep bitching about how they want an "end goal" for the show but that's kinda seemed like the whole point of what this episode was getting at. Their hope in Eugene had failed, and there's no hope anymore for anything. The point is the struggle of soldiering on without any sign of hope. Some people want an ending when it's so hard, almost impossible to find in this kind of world, which the writers were communicating to the audience in this episode.
Some things seem to fly over people's head when judging an episode. TWD isn't that kind of show where you simply just watch it.
EDIT: To Archangel, you're not even contributing anything ABOUT the show to discuss. Read your posts first, then read mine, and respond better
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On February 13 2015 16:29 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 16:13 -Archangel- wrote:On February 13 2015 04:53 freeshooter wrote:On January 26 2015 20:15 -Archangel- wrote:On January 26 2015 20:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2015 02:53 Scorch wrote: Season 5 was one of the better seasons, but that doesn't make The Walking Dead a good show. TWD has great potential, but squanders it. What irks me the most is forced drama all the time, be it due to people acting irrationally or outright stupid, or deus ex machina stealthy ninja zombies coming out of nowhere. The only reason I'm still here is because I like zombies and theorycrafting what to do in a zombie apocalypse. I just wonder when people say Walking Dead isn't a good show what shows they are thinking are better? I don't know about others but for me there are many. Out of those that are running at same time there is Game of Thrones, Marco Polo, Fargo, House of Cards and Vikings as top tier shows. I also have more fun watching Arrow, Flash and Agents of Shield and Continuum as mid tier ones. Also different short shows like Sherlock, Utopia and Black Mirror are better. On February 10 2015 05:21 -Archangel- wrote: This episode was sooo bad. 35 minutes of extra melodrama and stupid death. Even Beth's death made more sense. The screenwriters are crap, they need to be fired instantly. I think I am going to go back to comics and finish reading them and forget about this terrible show. On February 11 2015 01:38 -Archangel- wrote: Ninja zombie would be much more effective if normally zombies were not made of paper and as easily killed. If they keep breaking their own rules, of course people that watch the show are going to call them out on it. On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. The whole set up was lame and breaking show internal rules. It is hard to take a show like this seriously when it does this often. I like Z nation more for this reason. They didn't try to present themselves as a serious show but another fun zombie show. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief. On February 13 2015 00:59 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: I just wonder how many people who complain about the show watch Talking Dead? Because a lot of complaints are specifically addressed there. If you need to watch an aftershow to enjoy the show, the show is crappy to begin with and its writers should be fired immediately. Sooo... I think you've made your point about the show? Why don't you just stop watching the show and stop complaining in this thread? You said it yourself you enjoy other shows, so just enjoy those ones and stop posting stuff that doesn't add more to this discussion about the actual show instead stuff about "horrible writers needing to be fired" or "breaking the show's own rules", because we see your opinion since you've made it quite clear with several posts. Because this is the topic where we discuss about the show, both good and bad. Deal with it. You're still missing the point... Why keep watching a show you don't like so you can whine about the writing here? Because I watched it for all from start and it wasn't always this bad. Or you could say the bad parts slowly fill up my cup and are now near the top. I am close to quit watching it and if it does not become better by end of this season I will.
@freeshooter: Just because you don't agree with me, it does not mean I am not contributing. I am expressing my disapproval of the direction of the series so to share these experiences with others that feel the same. You come here to share positive experiences with those that feel the same. Both are two sides of same coin. Deal with it. Or just ignore me. I don't attack people here because they like the show, so be a grown up and show same courtesy .
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that episode was painful to watch. brought back memories of season 2 farm boredom.. hope it gets better
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Just watched the episode. I see Walking Dead's token black guy rule is still in effect.
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On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief. Your constant shitting on the show is getting old. Some criticism is fine but that's all you seem to do. Check out B1nary's post for decent criticism where he makes his point without calling for all the writers to be fired. It's not like TWD's Arrow/Flash bad. The show's not perfect but why do you feel the need to pick it apart in a thread devoted to discussion among actual fans? Besides I'm amazed you have the gall to criticize the writing after calling Marco Polo top tier.
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On February 14 2015 23:41 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 17:10 -Archangel- wrote:On February 12 2015 14:19 killa_robot wrote: The zombie wasn't silent, Tyresse was just really distracted by the pictures.
If you all want to complain, you could at least complain about something worth complaining about. Like the fact that the kid zombie was previously in a closed room, and mysteriously got out.
Also -1 black character because we got another one. It's kind of hilarious how consistent they are at doing this by now, lol. Walking Dead failed. They need better writing if they want to have both zombies and realistic drama together. It is too easy to lose suspension of disbelief. Your constant shitting on the show is getting old. Some criticism is fine but that's all you seem to do. Check out B1nary's post for decent criticism where he makes his point without calling for all the writers to be fired. It's not like TWD's Arrow/Flash bad. The show's not perfect but why do you feel the need to pick it apart in a thread devoted to discussion among actual fans? Besides I'm amazed you have the gall to criticize the writing after calling Marco Polo top tier. You know opinions. Everyone has one. I can call whatever however I want. You got opposite opinion, I got it. I am not calling you out on it so you need to stop attacking people you don't agree with.
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