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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
Edit: haha can't believe I used my 1k to talk shit about this show. Oh well. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
1. How was the second car so fast on scene to interrupt the kidnapping? Just seemed odd to me. They had sent out 2 units to investigate the gunshot and the moment shit goes wrong there's back-up for no reason? 2. Sasha being way too trusting. Apart from that I liked that they showed all the viewpoints in one episode. Having 3 weeks where you don't know anything about 1 part of the group is annoying as hell. | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
On November 25 2014 05:56 killa_robot wrote: "Better" is subjective here. Rick's plan hinges on getting in and out quickly and silently, and as was mentioned, it's possible that goes horribly, horribly wrong. The hostage plan stands a better chance of working, provided the other people are willing to trade and it's done in a smart manner. Even if they refuse to negotiate, they have already lowered the number of enemies they have and can still strike at any time. Being on the defensive puts the police at a large disadvantage. Not to mention Rick's plan sounds very familiar to how other groups we've seen have been acting (the cannibal group for example), where he only cares about his group and fuck everyone else. A popular theme for the group is to survive but still try and be the good guys, and Rick's ideology is shifting away from that. He's getting to the point where he needs the group to keep him in check. At this point Rick knows nothing about the hospital apart from that it has Carol and Beth and they're not able to leave. Going in and killing everyone is an utterly brutal way of rescuing them. Daryl isn't soft at all. Just an episode ago he wanted to leave the new kid to die to some walker after he stole from them, and Carol is the one who stopped him. He's probably the most level headed person in the group. If anything, people on the show are very inconsistent about when they're willing to hurt/kill other people. Carol was about to shoot the kid in the and Daryl stopped her. Later, Daryl wanted to leave the kid to die but Carol decided to save him. Rick is turning into Shane. Carl was turning into a cold-blooded murderer when they were at the prison. Now he seems to have toned it down a bit. Maybe Sasha was too trusting of the cop guy since he was called Bob? Perhaps Gabriel was in cahoots with the cops all along and already told them that someone named "Bob" recently died so the cop used that to take advantage of Sasha =D | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
they didnt even shot how could they know ? | ||
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parkufarku
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Takuma
146 Posts
On November 25 2014 13:52 parkufarku wrote: Sasha is slowly becoming borderline Andrea level of annoying for me. I understand that Bob just died but she never had a sense of humor, didn't have a skill that set her apart (Rick: leadership, Daryl: Hunter awareness, Glenn: Tactical, Maggie: Eye candy, Carol: Compassion) and now she does something totally stupid. She has been annoying ever since she appeared, but just very minimally so in the beginning. You racist. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 25 2014 13:52 parkufarku wrote: Sasha is slowly becoming borderline Andrea level of annoying for me. I understand that Bob just died but she never had a sense of humor, didn't have a skill that set her apart (Rick: leadership, Daryl: Hunter awareness, Glenn: Tactical, Maggie: Eye candy, Carol: Compassion) and now she does something totally stupid. She has been annoying ever since she appeared, but just very minimally so in the beginning. Pretty much. Even the relationship with Bob seemed kinda shoehorned in there at the last minute. | ||
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parkufarku
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
 . And fuck, that idiot Christian guy. I don't mind religious people, but someone like him just really irks me, with all his motivation coming from superficial things like that, and almost getting the others killed. I thought the running everything with the firetruck was also quite unnecessary, but it's alright. I would have liked to see another one or two people go with the Grimes crew at the end, but oh well, at least Noah is there. Curious to see what is next for them. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
I never liked Beth but I never expected her to be a complete idiot. I don't understand this at all; It's not a clever plot twist, it's not a unrealistic "walker dun got at me" death, or anything of the sort... it's just lame. Am I missing something here, or what? Anyway, I thought for a finale that it was pretty dull and lame too. No cliff hanger, no mystery for the future, no real awesome scenes (in my opinion), or anything else of note aside from the silly end. On a side note, it seems absurd to hit a point blank target in the head with a quick draw. The quick draw itself seemed awfully fast too, not that it was unrealistic, but in this scenario where someone she cared about was right in front of her, I would think she would not be in such a quick draw "mode". | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 01 2014 13:47 Xapti wrote: Is Beth a psychopath or something? like WTF? I guess psychopath would be a bad word to describe it... more like terribly stupid. She got what she deserved. Perhaps she even knew she'd die and that she'd be martyring herself for her cause, but she would _NOT_ know that any more of her friends would not die in the aftermath, so it still makes her stupid. I never liked Beth but I never expected her to be a _complete_ idiot. I don't understand this at all; It's not a clever plot twist, it's not a unrealistic "walker dun got at me" death, or anything of the sort... it's just lame. Am I missing something here, or what? Beth realizes that Dawn is losing it, and repeats what Dawn did to captain Hansen, for the betterment of the group. Dawn was not a good cop, just look at the shit that she was doing. That guy that got pushed into the elevator did not deserve that, Dawn did. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On December 01 2014 13:50 FiWiFaKi wrote: Beth realizes that Dawn is losing it, and repeats what Dawn did to captain Hansen, for the betterment of the group. Dawn was not a good cop, just look at the shit that she was doing. That guy that got pushed into the elevator did not deserve that, Dawn did. In my opinion what Beth did is like assassinating an Islamic judge for sentencing an apostate to life in prison (for being an apostate). Except that example is also far more justified, because Dawn didn't do anything nearly as bad in my opinion. People aren't perfect. Just because they did something wrong doesn't mean they deserve to die. They can learn from mistakes, change, or even continue their bad habits (if those habits aren't death and destruction) — it's better than death and destruction. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 01 2014 14:00 Xapti wrote: In my opinion what Beth did is like assassinating an Islamic judge for sentencing an apostate to life in prison (for being an apostate). Except that example is also far more justified, because Dawn didn't do anything nearly as bad in my opinion. People aren't perfect. Just because they did something wrong doesn't mean they deserve to die. They can learn from mistakes, change, or even continue their bad habits — it's better than death and destruction. That is true, but I dunno, I thought she did lots of bad. Many good cops were not happy, and just yeah, I dunno. The other motive for Beth might have been to let Noah go with the gang? Since Dawn is quite the bitch being all like "I knew you'd be back". | ||
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malcram
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
but first, OMG! NO BETH! WRRYYYYY! Now that that's out of the way, everything else sucked. - I found it hilarious how this is like the first time Maggie has even acknowledged that she has a missing sister just in time for Beth to die. I should've felt sad seeing Maggie break down out the end, but all I could do was laugh. They just didn't earn any of the emotion they were going for with that scene. - The scene between Beth and Dawn at the end didn't make much sense to me. What did Beth suddenly "get" at the end prior to getting shot? Was it a means to set everyone in the hospital free? Or perhaps just Noah? The whole thing seemed like a pretty hamfisted solution that could've gotten everyone else killed as well. Dawn looked like she had an ensuing mutiny on her hands anyway, so there was no need for Beth to risk everything and get herself killed. Not to mention, it makes the last few episodes feel like a bit of a waste. All that for Beth to just throw her life away.. - The scene with the pastor was unbelievably stupid. I'm happy to see Carver back from The Wire, but omg is his character in this show a pain. He's like a regurgitated Hershel but not nearly as likable nor as useful. His payoff for the first half of this season was a total letdown. Also a lazy move to force the group back on the road. - The runaway cop at the beginning was a disappointment. I figured his development in the previous ep and his betrayal of Sasha would ultimately lead to something of significance in the finale. Nope. Just another means for Rick to lose more of his humanity. Weak. | ||
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sths
Australia192 Posts
1. The priest's (aka, The wire) the motives were just WTF? It's like the writers went "oh crap what do we do with Korrrrrrrrrl, Samurai lady and useless priest now that the muscle is gone?" Let's have the priest go on a literal guilt trip to emphasis even more what we already know. a)he's sorry, so sorry, not really, but really sorry b)he is useless 2. Beth committing suicide. I'm sorry writers but you DID NOT earn that. You either set up Beth as a psychopath earlier on or you must give a motive which normal people can relate to that would drive her to do such a thing. "OMG you're a big meanie that uses people" is not good enough for a sane person to just commit suicide like that. I mean wtf she's been living in an apocalyptic world for a few years now and she has seen and experienced first hand what it takes to survive in such a world. It's soooooo obvious that they just wanted a big "emotional" finish to the midseason and they think killing people automatically earns it. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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