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On November 26 2013 09:45 BlackMagister wrote: Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
....aaand murder every leader the group has to become the leader himself, to attack the prison? All in the name of "we've got to be safe"? Even though the new group has been safe for god knows how many month right where they were?
On November 26 2013 09:45 BlackMagister wrote: Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
Oh yes, that's right. He magically forgot that he lived in a post-apocalyptic zombie-infested world. So your way out of this gaping plothole is: "the governor is fucking stupid". That plot device never fails!
On November 26 2013 09:45 BlackMagister wrote: Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
....aaand murder every leader the group has to become the leader himself, to attack the prison? All in the name of "we've got to be safe"? Even though the new group has been safe for god knows how many month right where they were?
Yeah, makes perfect sense.
They weren't safe, though. Their runs were getting less food, a walker got into their camp, and they repeatedly said how little food and ammo they had. They would have been "safe" for maybe a month or two. The prison is stocked with food and (likely) weapons.
On November 26 2013 09:45 BlackMagister wrote: Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
Oh yes, that's right. He magically forgot that he lived in a post-apocalyptic zombie-infested world. So your way out of this gaping plothole is: "the governor is fucking stupid". That plot device never fails!
His priorities were malaligned. His thought when leaving was "I need to get them out of here, it's not safe because I might go full psycho crazy again". Seeing the walkers blocking him made him realize that running wasn't an option. Of course there was another road out of the camp, but the walkers made him realize that safety was, and I quote "not about doing the right thing or the wrong thing, but about doing the only thing". He could only run for so long before they weren't safe again, whether it came from his own ruthlessness or the walkers. His thought going back was "they'll never be safe until I make everyone safe, and the only way to do that is to make the hard decisions", so he took over the group by force to keep his new "family" safe.
Disagreeing with the way his character is portrayed makes a lot more sense then there being only one road and he was forced to stay there because of mud walkers. Even if it was the only one road it was eventually cleared somehow otherwise he couldn't drive to the prison.
He killed Martinez because he didn't want to lead and was afraid of Marinez revealing his past. Decides to leave changes his mind. Gives it a go with the new leader, but sees him as incompetent kills him and assumes leadership becoming the new leader returning to his Governor state of mind where killing other survivors to insure the safety of his own group is the an acceptable course of action. The place was safe for a long time, but so were a lot of other places survivors have stayed at just like the camp they thought of robbing. The prison is a lot safer than the place they are staying at, he has a tank, he thinks it will be easy to take so he'll do it and there is the added revenge incentive.
On November 26 2013 09:45 BlackMagister wrote: Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
....aaand murder every leader the group has to become the leader himself, to attack the prison? All in the name of "we've got to be safe"? Even though the new group has been safe for god knows how many month right where they were?
Yeah, makes perfect sense.
They weren't safe, though. Their runs were getting less food, a walker got into their camp, and they repeatedly said how little food and ammo they had. They would have been "safe" for maybe a month or two. The prison is stocked with food and (likely) weapons.
On November 26 2013 09:45 BlackMagister wrote: Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
Oh yes, that's right. He magically forgot that he lived in a post-apocalyptic zombie-infested world. So your way out of this gaping plothole is: "the governor is fucking stupid". That plot device never fails!
His priorities were malaligned. His thought when leaving was "I need to get them out of here, it's not safe because I might go full psycho crazy again". Seeing the walkers blocking him made him realize that running wasn't an option. Of course there was another road out of the camp, but the walkers made him realize that safety was, and I quote "not about doing the right thing or the wrong thing, but about doing the only thing". He could only run for so long before they weren't safe again, whether it came from his own ruthlessness or the walkers. His thought going back was "they'll never be safe until I make everyone safe, and the only way to do that is to make the hard decisions", so he took over the group by force to keep his new "family" safe.
Ok, that makes some sense. But then they are not only bad at writing the story, but they are now also bad at telling the story that was written in the first place. Mud zombies in the middle of the road to prove the point that running away would not make his new "family" safer? It was not only a ridiculous scene, but it was also confusing (as evidenced by everybody here misunderstanding it... assuming your explanation is correct).
Also, I think he killed Martinez, because Martinez was weak and couldn't guarantee his "family" stay safe. Note he only killed him after he had asked whether the camp was safe and Martinez had given a rather non-committal answer.
On November 26 2013 10:19 BlackMagister wrote: He killed Martinez because he didn't want to leave and was afraid of Marinez revealing his past. Decides to leave changes his mind. Gives it a go with the new leader, but sees him as incompetent kills him and assumes leadership becoming the new leader returning to his Governor state of mind where killing other survivors to insure the safety of his own group is the an acceptable course of action. The place was safe for a long time, but so were a lot of other places survivors have stayed at just like the camp they thought of robbing. The prison is a lot safer than the place they are staying at, he has a tank, he thinks it will be easy to take so he'll do it and there is the added revenge incentive.
Read that paragraph again and explain to me how a person that's even remotely sane could ever act like that.
"Oh damn that guy could tell everyone what a monster I was, better kill him!" "Oh damn the new leader is a pussy better get the hell out of here!" "Oh whoops we're living in a zombie world and we have higher survival chances in a group better get back." "Welp the new leader is still a pussy better kill him." "Welp might as well make sure I'm the leader while I'm at it. You fine with that, brother of the guy I just killed?" "Whatevs." "Oh hey there's that prison that's probably totally safe better start a war with my brand new group of blind followers."
There's just so much wrong with that series of events. At best, the governor is clinically insane. Which makes for a boring character, as he just randomly does stupid violent irrational stuff because.. well, he's insane. That's it. There's nothing more to it. At worst, he's a terribly written sane character whose characteristics change with no rhyme or reason to get the maximum amount of drama and action.
The Governor actually did kill Martinez because he didn't want to lead or at least that's the stated reason. Martinez had just said "maybe we can share the crown" the Governor then hits him and says "I don't want it." I was confused at this scene because I couldn't understand what Martinez was saying until I looked it up.
There is point in arguing the Governor is a sane character though doing whatever it takes to survive is definitely a legitimate method for survival even if it is morally wrong. He is trying to protect his family not the entire group of survivors he is with so killing ineffective leaders makes sense for him.
Oh hey, Governor guy just killed your brother and held you at gunpoint, but in the next scene you're buddy buddy and friends. In what situation would that ever happen?
Also 2 key members of the group dying since the governor joined, nobody would question this? Really?
Where was everyone when Governor clubbed Martinez? The whole camp goes out? It was the middle of the day.
On November 26 2013 19:39 Nekovivie wrote: Latest ep was dumb, so dumb.
Oh hey, Governor guy just killed your brother and held you at gunpoint, but in the next scene you're buddy buddy and friends. In what situation would that ever happen?
Also 2 key members of the group dying since the governor joined, nobody would question this? Really?
Where was everyone when Governor clubbed Martinez? The whole camp goes out? It was the middle of the day.
So many inconsistencies and plot failures.
This show has never done anything that makes sense in real world. Episode 1 rick gets shot in the shoulder and wakes up in the hospital with his stomach bandaged. Then later on hes talking over a radio and his own wife has no idea its him? Gun barrels flopping around, this whole brother doesn't give a damn about his brother dying scenario, etc.
This show has forever been garbage in terms of quality writing, absolute garbage. Sadly its the only zombie tv show we will get (plus the spin off which I am sure will run the same course). So I, and everyone else, just keeps on watching
Last two episodes so bad. Prison finally got through the worst and what we get insted of new interesting stuff is same shit that happened one season ago. I also find those episodes the weakest in the whole show. Not excited anymore for more.
people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest.
On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote: people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest.
So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted!
How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way?
On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote: people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest.
So you think the governor has done all he's done purely in the protection of others?
I strongly disagree. He definitely has a few screws loose, to put it lightly. I just don't think it's to the extent of being totally batshit insane as some make him out to be.
Sure there's the more noble side that's protecting the group of women (namely the little girl), but he also has a severe case of megalomania.
The heads in the jar aren't necessary to protect anyone. They're just trophies for him to relish in his domination of others.
He didn't need to kill Martinez, they could've coexisted in leadership. He just refuses to "share the crown".
What's interesting in this past episode is how he seems aware of his dark desires to subjugate others and even tried to escape it. I would guess that's what he meant by "I don't want it!" as he's dragging Martinez to the zombie pit xD
On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote: people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest.
So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted!
How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way?
i said a lot of stuff, the crazy daughter stuff and the head collecting of course not... Just how he protects his family/group. I wouldn't attack the prison again unless i had like 20 tank shells(even then probably not), considering how the last attack went... Also if he fires the tank hes gonna fuck up the prison and those things make tons of noise. If your family was about to run out of food and the only way was to rob and kill another group would you not do it? If not then enjoy your morals in the grave.
i rather be a "bad guy" then be dead. Like the post above me says, there are many sides to the governer, he is loyal and protecting of his family group but also has fucked up "controlling" temptations.
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