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On November 27 2013 03:01 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:He didn't need to kill Martinez, they could've coexisted in leadership. He just refuses to "share the crown".
What's interesting in this past episode is how he seems aware of his dark desires to subjugate others and even tried to escape it. I would guess that's what he meant by "I don't want it!" as he's dragging Martinez to the zombie pit xD
The Governor didn't have any intention of leading when he killed Martinez. That much is obvious from the fact that he ran away and tried to start over, away from the group. I believe that he very much wanted to avoid a second Woodbury and that he intended to bury his past with the last person who knew about it. But then, you know...mud zombies.
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Some fans have compared Pete to Rick and Mitch to Shane. Eleanor is more like Shane than the Governor though being compared to Shane isn't that great either because he tried to kill Rick, but aside from that a lot of people would prefer the way Shane led to the way Rick does. The Governor is a step up in extreme from what Shane does as Shane might have proposed taking the farm from Hershel, but he probably wouldn't kill the family to take it.
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On November 27 2013 03:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest. So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted! How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way? i said a lot of stuff, the crazy daughter stuff and the head collecting of course not... Just how he protects his family/group. I wouldn't attack the prison again unless i had like 20 tank shells(even then probably not), considering how the last attack went... Also if he fires the tank hes gonna fuck up the prison and those things make tons of noise. If your family was about to run out of food and the only way was to rob and kill another group would you not do it? If not then enjoy your morals in the grave. i rather be a "bad guy" then be dead. Like the post above me says, there are many sides to the governer, he is loyal and protecting of his family group but also has fucked up "controlling" temptations.
There's about a gazillion ways he could do things and not be dead without being a murderous psychopath. He constantly chooses to kill as many people as he can get away with, and that way he constantly brings himself and everyone around him in mortal danger, while claiming to do the opposite.
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a gazillion ways in a late zombie apocalypse.... get real
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On November 27 2013 04:38 EleanorRIgby wrote:
a gazillion ways in a late zombie apocalypse.... get real
All these other people in that community seemed to have done well enough without any mass murder.
Until he showed up and started murdering them, of course. 
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On November 27 2013 04:07 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 03:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 27 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest. So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted! How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way? i said a lot of stuff, the crazy daughter stuff and the head collecting of course not... Just how he protects his family/group. I wouldn't attack the prison again unless i had like 20 tank shells(even then probably not), considering how the last attack went... Also if he fires the tank hes gonna fuck up the prison and those things make tons of noise. If your family was about to run out of food and the only way was to rob and kill another group would you not do it? If not then enjoy your morals in the grave. i rather be a "bad guy" then be dead. Like the post above me says, there are many sides to the governer, he is loyal and protecting of his family group but also has fucked up "controlling" temptations. There's about a gazillion ways he could do things and not be dead without being a murderous psychopath. He constantly chooses to kill as many people as he can get away with, and that way he constantly brings himself and everyone around him in mortal danger, while claiming to do the opposite.
This.
However, this is a general problem with the way the Walking Dead portrays our post-apocalyptic world: it is only the stupid and incompetent who have survived.
Rick and Hershel seem fairly smart, but are too dumb to think of even basic protection measures like digging a MOAT around the jail (which seems like the first thing Martinez did, and I don't think anybody would accuse him of being smart). They have been there long enough for tomato plants to grow from 0 to full bushes with ripe tomatos... that's > 6 months. So don't give me no "there was no time" bullshit.
The governor and his little group notice there's a group of survivors with PLENTY of food, but bad protection. Instead of combining forces and creating a bigger group with decent protection and decent food, they say "we don't have enough food to take them in", completely ignoring the thing they just said themselves: "look at how many supplies they have!"
Not to mention, that Rick has been the ONLY one so far who has thought of longer-term food supply: why was nobody in woodbury farming? And why is the only one in the jail who shows a remote interest in farming, Rick, and he is made fun of for it?
How come the prison was not well-stocked on antibiotics? At one point, in their 6 month hiatus, they must have found a decent supply (they had plenty of guns and ammo... basic medicine seems like it should be an equal or higher priority). Apparently antibiotics was all they needed to survive the zombie flu, but magically the prison was completely out.
And that is skipping the spur-of-the-moment retarded choices like feeding baby piglets to zombies off the back of the truck, taking basic safety measures when going out in the field (to protect from all the zombie sneak attacks that keep appearing) and about a billion other facepalm worthy choices (lets leave the jail cells of all these dying people WIDE OPEN).
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On November 27 2013 04:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 04:07 Conti wrote:On November 27 2013 03:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 27 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest. So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted! How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way? i said a lot of stuff, the crazy daughter stuff and the head collecting of course not... Just how he protects his family/group. I wouldn't attack the prison again unless i had like 20 tank shells(even then probably not), considering how the last attack went... Also if he fires the tank hes gonna fuck up the prison and those things make tons of noise. If your family was about to run out of food and the only way was to rob and kill another group would you not do it? If not then enjoy your morals in the grave. i rather be a "bad guy" then be dead. Like the post above me says, there are many sides to the governer, he is loyal and protecting of his family group but also has fucked up "controlling" temptations. There's about a gazillion ways he could do things and not be dead without being a murderous psychopath. He constantly chooses to kill as many people as he can get away with, and that way he constantly brings himself and everyone around him in mortal danger, while claiming to do the opposite. This. However, this is a general problem with the way the Walking Dead portrays our post-apocalyptic world: it is only the stupid and incompetent who have survived. Rick and Hershel seem fairly smart, but are too dumb to think of even basic protection measures like digging a MOAT around the jail (which seems like the first thing Martinez did, and I don't think anybody would accuse him of being smart). They have been there long enough for tomato plants to grow from 0 to full bushes with ripe tomatos... that's > 6 months. So don't give me no "there was no time" bullshit. The governor and his little group notice there's a group of survivors with PLENTY of food, but bad protection. Instead of combining forces and creating a bigger group with decent protection and decent food, they say "we don't have enough food to take them in", completely ignoring the thing they just said themselves: "look at how many supplies they have!" Not to mention, that Rick has been the ONLY one so far who has thought of longer-term food supply: why was nobody in woodbury farming? And why is the only one in the jail who shows a remote interest in farming, Rick, and he is made fun of for it? How come the prison was not well-stocked on antibiotics? At one point, in their 6 month hiatus, they must have found a decent supply (they had plenty of guns and ammo... basic medicine seems like it should be an equal or higher priority). Apparently antibiotics was all they needed to survive the zombie flu, but magically the prison was completely out. And that is skipping the spur-of-the-moment retarded choices like feeding baby piglets to zombies off the back of the truck, taking basic safety measures when going out in the field (to protect from all the zombie sneak attacks that keep appearing) and about a billion other facepalm worthy choices (lets leave the jail cells of all these dying people WIDE OPEN).
you think a group with a lot of supplies would join a group with tons of people and almost no supplies? You just gonna walk up to them and ask nicely? Most people would just kill you on the spot, look at what happened to them.... im just saying when you run out of food and have searched and cant find any i think its acceptable to take out another group and rob them.
Trying to ask them nicely will just blow up in your face. I agree there are a lot of smarter ways to survive. But if your out of food and your people/family are starving would you really risk walking up to another group and asking them?? Also the lack of medicine in the prison is dead on, they just wrote it that way to make it more desperate.
Also i believe this next battle might attract a horde of zombies and pwn them all.
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On November 27 2013 04:54 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 04:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 04:07 Conti wrote:On November 27 2013 03:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 27 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest. So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted! How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way? i said a lot of stuff, the crazy daughter stuff and the head collecting of course not... Just how he protects his family/group. I wouldn't attack the prison again unless i had like 20 tank shells(even then probably not), considering how the last attack went... Also if he fires the tank hes gonna fuck up the prison and those things make tons of noise. If your family was about to run out of food and the only way was to rob and kill another group would you not do it? If not then enjoy your morals in the grave. i rather be a "bad guy" then be dead. Like the post above me says, there are many sides to the governer, he is loyal and protecting of his family group but also has fucked up "controlling" temptations. There's about a gazillion ways he could do things and not be dead without being a murderous psychopath. He constantly chooses to kill as many people as he can get away with, and that way he constantly brings himself and everyone around him in mortal danger, while claiming to do the opposite. This. However, this is a general problem with the way the Walking Dead portrays our post-apocalyptic world: it is only the stupid and incompetent who have survived. Rick and Hershel seem fairly smart, but are too dumb to think of even basic protection measures like digging a MOAT around the jail (which seems like the first thing Martinez did, and I don't think anybody would accuse him of being smart). They have been there long enough for tomato plants to grow from 0 to full bushes with ripe tomatos... that's > 6 months. So don't give me no "there was no time" bullshit. The governor and his little group notice there's a group of survivors with PLENTY of food, but bad protection. Instead of combining forces and creating a bigger group with decent protection and decent food, they say "we don't have enough food to take them in", completely ignoring the thing they just said themselves: "look at how many supplies they have!" Not to mention, that Rick has been the ONLY one so far who has thought of longer-term food supply: why was nobody in woodbury farming? And why is the only one in the jail who shows a remote interest in farming, Rick, and he is made fun of for it? How come the prison was not well-stocked on antibiotics? At one point, in their 6 month hiatus, they must have found a decent supply (they had plenty of guns and ammo... basic medicine seems like it should be an equal or higher priority). Apparently antibiotics was all they needed to survive the zombie flu, but magically the prison was completely out. And that is skipping the spur-of-the-moment retarded choices like feeding baby piglets to zombies off the back of the truck, taking basic safety measures when going out in the field (to protect from all the zombie sneak attacks that keep appearing) and about a billion other facepalm worthy choices (lets leave the jail cells of all these dying people WIDE OPEN). you think a group with a lot of supplies would join a group with tons of people and almost no supplies? You just gonna walk up to them and ask nicely? Most people would just kill you on the spot, look at what happened to them.... im just saying when you run out of food and have searched and cant find any i think its acceptable to take out another group and rob them. Trying to ask them nicely will just blow up in your face. I agree there are a lot of smarter ways to survive. But if your out of food and your people/family are starving would you really risk walking up to another group and asking them?? Also the lack of medicine in the prison is dead on, they just wrote it that way to make it more desperate. Also i believe this next battle might attract a horde of zombies and pwn them all.
Well, they were two smallish groups. One with apparently plenty of weapons but little food. The other with a measly barbed wire fence for protection and no guards (so either no clue on how to protect themselves from zombies, or just plain no weapons), but plenty of food. Obviously you need to negotiate a bit better than "hey guys, we see you have lots of food. If you bring it, you can join us", but it seems the little group in the forest was completely clueless about defense (after about 1 1/2 years? of zombie apocalypse)...
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Damn,,, I read so much negative opinions here in this thread on the Governor...
I just want to share my opinion:
I completely loved the last two episodes. The Governor is my favorite characters of all characters from all seasons so far.
I'm not homosexual, but I think I love him. I really admire him.
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On November 26 2013 10:32 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 10:19 BlackMagister wrote:
He killed Martinez because he didn't want to leave and was afraid of Marinez revealing his past. Decides to leave changes his mind. Gives it a go with the new leader, but sees him as incompetent kills him and assumes leadership becoming the new leader returning to his Governor state of mind where killing other survivors to insure the safety of his own group is the an acceptable course of action. The place was safe for a long time, but so were a lot of other places survivors have stayed at just like the camp they thought of robbing. The prison is a lot safer than the place they are staying at, he has a tank, he thinks it will be easy to take so he'll do it and there is the added revenge incentive. Read that paragraph again and explain to me how a person that's even remotely sane could ever act like that. "Oh damn that guy could tell everyone what a monster I was, better kill him!" "Oh damn the new leader is a pussy better get the hell out of here!" "Oh whoops we're living in a zombie world and we have higher survival chances in a group better get back." "Welp the new leader is still a pussy better kill him." "Welp might as well make sure I'm the leader while I'm at it. You fine with that, brother of the guy I just killed?" "Whatevs." "Oh hey there's that prison that's probably totally safe better start a war with my brand new group of blind followers." There's just so much wrong with that series of events. At best, the governor is clinically insane. Which makes for a boring character, as he just randomly does stupid violent irrational stuff because.. well, he's insane. That's it. There's nothing more to it. At worst, he's a terribly written sane character whose characteristics change with no rhyme or reason to get the maximum amount of drama and action.
You're speaking from the perspective of a rational, law abiding society where equality is enforced. If two people have a difference of opinion, that difference co-exists. Everything you described happens all the time in criminal societies, because they're direct solutions for problems involving a power struggle. Whoever is weaker gets killed, because the person who is capable of killing them prioritizes their personal gain over a life, and there is nothing to stop them. You don't HAVE to deal with someone, you can literally just kill them and there will be no consequence for it in the TWD world. It's brutal, it's evil, and it's definitely inhumane, but it's not insanity. There is clear logic as to why it's done. If anything, you're missing what ACTUALLY makes the governor to be insane.
On November 27 2013 05:05 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 04:54 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 27 2013 04:45 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 04:07 Conti wrote:On November 27 2013 03:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:On November 27 2013 01:58 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 01:40 EleanorRIgby wrote:
people dont give the governer enough credit and call him a crazy bad guy. i would do a lot of stuff(not all of it that for sure) the governer does if it meant my family survived a little longer, i would have took those people out at the camp and robbed them without a second thought.
Everyone else is expendable if it made my family and my group safer. Look at how many times rick tried to be a nice guy/hero and just ended up with bullets getting shot at him or his face almost ripped off. your morals and your helping hands will just get you killed. Survival of the fittest. So you're a crazy bad guy too? Noted! How's your collection of heads coming along, by the way? i said a lot of stuff, the crazy daughter stuff and the head collecting of course not... Just how he protects his family/group. I wouldn't attack the prison again unless i had like 20 tank shells(even then probably not), considering how the last attack went... Also if he fires the tank hes gonna fuck up the prison and those things make tons of noise. If your family was about to run out of food and the only way was to rob and kill another group would you not do it? If not then enjoy your morals in the grave. i rather be a "bad guy" then be dead. Like the post above me says, there are many sides to the governer, he is loyal and protecting of his family group but also has fucked up "controlling" temptations. There's about a gazillion ways he could do things and not be dead without being a murderous psychopath. He constantly chooses to kill as many people as he can get away with, and that way he constantly brings himself and everyone around him in mortal danger, while claiming to do the opposite. This. However, this is a general problem with the way the Walking Dead portrays our post-apocalyptic world: it is only the stupid and incompetent who have survived. Rick and Hershel seem fairly smart, but are too dumb to think of even basic protection measures like digging a MOAT around the jail (which seems like the first thing Martinez did, and I don't think anybody would accuse him of being smart). They have been there long enough for tomato plants to grow from 0 to full bushes with ripe tomatos... that's > 6 months. So don't give me no "there was no time" bullshit. The governor and his little group notice there's a group of survivors with PLENTY of food, but bad protection. Instead of combining forces and creating a bigger group with decent protection and decent food, they say "we don't have enough food to take them in", completely ignoring the thing they just said themselves: "look at how many supplies they have!" Not to mention, that Rick has been the ONLY one so far who has thought of longer-term food supply: why was nobody in woodbury farming? And why is the only one in the jail who shows a remote interest in farming, Rick, and he is made fun of for it? How come the prison was not well-stocked on antibiotics? At one point, in their 6 month hiatus, they must have found a decent supply (they had plenty of guns and ammo... basic medicine seems like it should be an equal or higher priority). Apparently antibiotics was all they needed to survive the zombie flu, but magically the prison was completely out. And that is skipping the spur-of-the-moment retarded choices like feeding baby piglets to zombies off the back of the truck, taking basic safety measures when going out in the field (to protect from all the zombie sneak attacks that keep appearing) and about a billion other facepalm worthy choices (lets leave the jail cells of all these dying people WIDE OPEN). you think a group with a lot of supplies would join a group with tons of people and almost no supplies? You just gonna walk up to them and ask nicely? Most people would just kill you on the spot, look at what happened to them.... im just saying when you run out of food and have searched and cant find any i think its acceptable to take out another group and rob them. Trying to ask them nicely will just blow up in your face. I agree there are a lot of smarter ways to survive. But if your out of food and your people/family are starving would you really risk walking up to another group and asking them?? Also the lack of medicine in the prison is dead on, they just wrote it that way to make it more desperate. Also i believe this next battle might attract a horde of zombies and pwn them all. Well, they were two smallish groups. One with apparently plenty of weapons but little food. The other with a measly barbed wire fence for protection and no guards (so either no clue on how to protect themselves from zombies, or just plain no weapons), but plenty of food. Obviously you need to negotiate a bit better than "hey guys, we see you have lots of food. If you bring it, you can join us", but it seems the little group in the forest was completely clueless about defense (after about 1 1/2 years? of zombie apocalypse)...
Because you don't have to negotiate. You have power over the weaker group, and theres nothing to stop you from exerting it. More people doesn't mean safety. At a certain point given the survival rate in TWD, the more people you keep around, the more likely they are to to die and turn. Even moreso if you don't feed them. If everyone negotiated the way you're suggesting the governor would in essence have to absorb every group in sight for their supplies. At some point you come to the realization that you can keep a group of people well-fed and alive by keeping your numbers limited.
Also, I don't think it's impossible for another group to have gotten by with very few encounters from zombies in significant numbers. From the start of season 1 we've witnessed nearly 2 years of the apocalypse, yet we have maybe only several hours worth of screen time where people actually encounter zombies in numbers greater than one that weren't previously alive in their own group. There are several thousand hours of (boredom) unaired where presumably no zombies were around. It's pretty safe to stay in an area previously unpopulated because the odds of a large herd walking your way is extremely small.
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On November 27 2013 07:23 Holdinga wrote:
Damn,,, I read so much negative opinions here in this thread on the Governor...
I just want to share my opinion:
I completely loved the last two episodes. The Governor is my favorite characters of all characters from all seasons so far.
I'm not homosexual, but I think I love him. I really admire him.
so you admire a person who just kills other people because they didnt do what he wanted or they did not lead the way he likes to ?
Man thats some sick way dude... :D
Anyway most people here are right ye why no freakin holes and GG no freakin zomb would have destroyed the fence atleast they builded a huge door for the prison :O
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You guys are nitpicking the series to death. Just enjoy the show and be glad we have a zombie series to watch. The show isn't going to be the most scientifically correct, best written thing on TV but it's far from the "trash" you guys claim it to be. Not every show is a gift from god that is perfect. This is one is just average and that's fine by me because it's about zombies.
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On November 27 2013 08:06 Zooper31 wrote:
You guys are nitpicking the series to death. Just enjoy the show and be glad we have a zombie series to watch. The show isn't going to be the most scientifically correct, best written thing on TV but it's far from the "trash" you guys claim it to be. Not every show is a gift from god that is perfect. This is one is just average and that's fine by me because it's about zombies.
Just because it's the only show in town doesn't mean it's good... and nor does it mean people should not complain about its obvious shortcomings.
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On November 27 2013 08:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 08:06 Zooper31 wrote:
You guys are nitpicking the series to death. Just enjoy the show and be glad we have a zombie series to watch. The show isn't going to be the most scientifically correct, best written thing on TV but it's far from the "trash" you guys claim it to be. Not every show is a gift from god that is perfect. This is one is just average and that's fine by me because it's about zombies. Just because it's the only show in town doesn't mean it's good... and nor does it mean people should not complain about its obvious shortcomings.
Just feel like it's more about the pitchfork bandwagon and less about watching the show because you enjoy it.
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On November 27 2013 08:17 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 08:10 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 08:06 Zooper31 wrote:
You guys are nitpicking the series to death. Just enjoy the show and be glad we have a zombie series to watch. The show isn't going to be the most scientifically correct, best written thing on TV but it's far from the "trash" you guys claim it to be. Not every show is a gift from god that is perfect. This is one is just average and that's fine by me because it's about zombies. Just because it's the only show in town doesn't mean it's good... and nor does it mean people should not complain about its obvious shortcomings. Just feel like it's more about the pitchfork bandwagon and less about watching the show because you enjoy it.
Rather, watching every episode with the expectation it's going to be bad, and then searching for what's bad, rather than picking out what's good. If everyone on the forum had their way, we'd have super zombie survivors who conquered the apocalypse, and every episode would be 45 minutes of watching someone read a book to pass the time, because that's probably all there is to do.
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On November 27 2013 08:20 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 08:17 Zooper31 wrote:On November 27 2013 08:10 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2013 08:06 Zooper31 wrote:
You guys are nitpicking the series to death. Just enjoy the show and be glad we have a zombie series to watch. The show isn't going to be the most scientifically correct, best written thing on TV but it's far from the "trash" you guys claim it to be. Not every show is a gift from god that is perfect. This is one is just average and that's fine by me because it's about zombies. Just because it's the only show in town doesn't mean it's good... and nor does it mean people should not complain about its obvious shortcomings. Just feel like it's more about the pitchfork bandwagon and less about watching the show because you enjoy it. Rather, watching every episode with the expectation it's going to be bad, and then searching for what's bad, rather than picking out what's good. If everyone on the forum had their way, we'd have super zombie survivors who conquered the apocalypse, and every episode would be 45 minutes of watching someone read a book to pass the time, because that's probably all there is to do.
ah cmon, this show is from AMC which has produced Mad Men and Breaking Bad, that alone is reason enough to be a little bit critical 
Walking dead isn't that bad but it isn't even close to other "high quality" series and that is pretty sad if you see what it could have been.
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On November 27 2013 08:01 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 10:32 Conti wrote:On November 26 2013 10:19 BlackMagister wrote:
He killed Martinez because he didn't want to leave and was afraid of Marinez revealing his past. Decides to leave changes his mind. Gives it a go with the new leader, but sees him as incompetent kills him and assumes leadership becoming the new leader returning to his Governor state of mind where killing other survivors to insure the safety of his own group is the an acceptable course of action. The place was safe for a long time, but so were a lot of other places survivors have stayed at just like the camp they thought of robbing. The prison is a lot safer than the place they are staying at, he has a tank, he thinks it will be easy to take so he'll do it and there is the added revenge incentive. Read that paragraph again and explain to me how a person that's even remotely sane could ever act like that. "Oh damn that guy could tell everyone what a monster I was, better kill him!" "Oh damn the new leader is a pussy better get the hell out of here!" "Oh whoops we're living in a zombie world and we have higher survival chances in a group better get back." "Welp the new leader is still a pussy better kill him." "Welp might as well make sure I'm the leader while I'm at it. You fine with that, brother of the guy I just killed?" "Whatevs." "Oh hey there's that prison that's probably totally safe better start a war with my brand new group of blind followers." There's just so much wrong with that series of events. At best, the governor is clinically insane. Which makes for a boring character, as he just randomly does stupid violent irrational stuff because.. well, he's insane. That's it. There's nothing more to it. At worst, he's a terribly written sane character whose characteristics change with no rhyme or reason to get the maximum amount of drama and action. You're speaking from the perspective of a rational, law abiding society where equality is enforced. If two people have a difference of opinion, that difference co-exists. Everything you described happens all the time in criminal societies, because they're direct solutions for problems involving a power struggle. Whoever is weaker gets killed, because the person who is capable of killing them prioritizes their personal gain over a life, and there is nothing to stop them. You don't HAVE to deal with someone, you can literally just kill them and there will be no consequence for it in the TWD world. It's brutal, it's evil, and it's definitely inhumane, but it's not insanity. There is clear logic as to why it's done. If anything, you're missing what ACTUALLY makes the governor to be insane.
If the world of TWD were sheer anarchy, then yes, you might be right. But everything we discuss happened in a properly working community of 20+ people. And that community is large enough that you can not just kill someone without any repercussions at all. That's why the gov hid the bodies and lied about what happened, or he would have been lynched.
This is not a group of criminals with a strictly darwinian viewpoint on things, this is a community of normal people that want to survive, with an insane guy in their midst.
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Well if the amount of discussion is any indication the show is at least controversial enough to spark some interest. Even though most of it is negative.
Im just glad they finally come to the point where they should have been last season. I was complaining a lot about the filler plot about the flue and now you see how relevant that plotline was. At least now the wheel is moving :D
Im suprised that so many defend the governor. Its just super unecessary to fight each other all the time. The real enemies are the zombies. You need every capable person to fight that threat. People like him endanger humanity.
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Great ep besides the lesbian's acting. Loved the mud zombie and lake shots, especially the gov recreating his fish tank collection with the zombie underwater. Even the opening scene with the pit rescue, chess and hanging clothes was really well done. Of course I could show off how clever I am and get pissed that they're not playing it out like perfect zombie apoc theorycrafters but I'd rather just enjoy the good aspects of the show.
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