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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
November 25 2013 17:31 GMT
#7621
It's interesting how apparently the prison is in the middle of the woods where an endless number of different groups are living off the same land but nobody ever seems to stumble upon the giant concrete complex. Except for the governor of course, taking an afternoon stroll over all by his lonesome. Another side effect of the world being super scary and dangerous when convenient and not at all at other times I guess.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
November 25 2013 17:35 GMT
#7622
On November 26 2013 01:30 Lylat wrote:
WTF are they doing a prison attack all over again ? COME ON, we already had this shit last season : it was awful ! Now they repeat the exact same thing ? Damn, are they that much deprived of ideas?
This season started off great and now the Governor is ruining it, ever since he appeared we had lame episodes and now it's going to continue with this shitty pointless war once gain.
Only good thing is the Mitch guy is Alvarez from Oz and I liked him a lot !

Hopefully a second prison attack is just to cut out some of the characters before the Rick, Daryl etc hits the road again.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 25 2013 17:35 GMT
#7623
On November 26 2013 02:31 Bash wrote:
It's interesting how apparently the prison is in the middle of the woods where an endless number of different groups are living off the same land but nobody ever seems to stumble upon the giant concrete complex. Except for the governor of course, taking an afternoon stroll over all by his lonesome. Another side effect of the world being super scary and dangerous when convenient and not at all at other times I guess.

I would assume a number of the new people in the prison were not only from Woodbury, but also survivors they found from the surrounding area.

Also people have a strange concept of how large plots of land works. Either

a) Survivors are trying to fortify one spot like we've seen, in which case they'd only travel so far for food and likely never would reach as far as the prison

or

b) They're constantly moving, and if they don't pick the exact direction the prison is in they'll pass by it in the woods and never see it at all.

It's not like groups are moving in super-composed giant cocentric circles until they reach the prison, they're likely keeping to themselves or moving away/parallel to it.
It's your boy Guzma!
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 25 2013 19:19 GMT
#7624
Well that was tediously dumb and boring.

So the big cliffhanger for the mid-season finale will be that the prison will be under attack and things look grim for our heroes because the governor has the numbers and weapons and our heroes are weakened and they don't want to leave and what the fuck is wrong with the writers of this show?

The governor was a really bad, uninteresting villain the last season and he is still the same bad, uninteresting villain this season. And the only reason people are following him is because they are badly written characters, who don't even question that multiple leaders of their own group died unexpectedly and without any proof whatsoever in a short time span. Who completely forget that they demanded (and were promised!) some kind of election. Who are fine with the new guy who just recently arrived taking over. And who will follow the governor like sheep in the next episodes to attack the prison because the gov said so.

Damn. I want that good zombie show back they had on a while ago.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
November 25 2013 19:34 GMT
#7625
btw what happened to andrea? i seriously cant remember
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
November 25 2013 19:44 GMT
#7626
On November 26 2013 04:34 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
btw what happened to andrea? i seriously cant remember


She died lol
I didn't like and didn't mind this episode, it was good to see the Governor turns nuts again. Disappointed we're heading towards ANOTHER "let's invade the prison" episode though, sigh
SooYoung-Noona!
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 25 2013 19:54 GMT
#7627
too many plot holes in this one...

-all group that die in the forest and they hear nothing? they were with them the instant before. I even thought it was a different group at first. Funny how it's always the governor that see stuff around when he got only 1 eye.

-Tara smiles at Alicia and 5min later, her sister is like "hey but Tara got Alicia, we can't leave!' how fast are those 2 chicks?

-they want to say the group that Pete died at a supply run, but he died in the camp... how can anyone believe this?

-the zombies in the house... they don't move when they hear noise, now they wait in the dark patiently to jump on their prey? that's a first.

and I hope it wont be an other attack on the prison. it was an horrible final previous season, they can't seriously do the same shit again...
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
November 25 2013 20:28 GMT
#7628
So the governor seizes absolute control over a group within like two days. Noone sees or suspects a thing when he murders the two previous leaders in broad daylight in a small camp. Noone questions the extremely weak explanations for the circumstances of their demise. Only a single road exists and it has magically become a giant pit of quicksand. The small group in the forest gets massacred within walking distance and noone hears the shots. The bald guy is threatened with a pistol and learns that the governor just murdered his brother, so logically the only course of action is to smoke a cigarette and become the governor's henchman. The rest of the group, too, follow him like sheep.

Come on now. I'm normally not too nitpicky when it comes to plotholes and inconsistencies, or I don't even notice them. But at some point the glaringly obvious errors and non-credible events become too much. You'd think the professional writers for a multi-million dollar show could do better.
kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
368 Posts
November 25 2013 20:28 GMT
#7629
They made such a complete mess of the end of last season that they are trying to salvage it by re-doing the prison attack. Again. God damn this show never ceases to amaze me.


Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#7630
A lot of these nitpicks hinge on one issue: the show is really bad about showing the passing of time. They were likely in the woods for hours before they went back to that camp and the other group got killed. This whole episode probably took place over 2-3 weeks, they were just bad about showing that off. He didn't just show up and take over, they got settled in the group, hence why everyone knows him and is used to him and why they're so comfortable.
It's your boy Guzma!
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
November 25 2013 21:38 GMT
#7631
I just really dislike the governor as a character. I just want him to die/leave so we can move on
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
November 25 2013 21:57 GMT
#7632
I just watched the two most recent episodes yesterday. All I can say is -_-
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 22:15:35
November 25 2013 22:09 GMT
#7633
On November 26 2013 01:10 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 01:02 Grettin wrote:
Well, Governor is still his evil self.

The entire point of the episode to show that this isn't entirely true. "It's not about doing the wrong thing or the right thing, it's about doing the only thing". Comic Governor was evil. Last season Governor was evil (and manipulative). This season's Governor is an entirely different beast. Crazy? Yes, undoubtedly. Evil? Not quite.


I don't think this governor is different. I think this episode is "replaying" how Woodbury came together through the governor's ruthlessness. This little spin-off in season 4 fills in questions we had in season 3 where we originally just assumed he was bat shit insane. We still know he's a little insane and cold-blooded, but we now have a better understanding that he's more logical than illogical in what he does, even if that logic is brutal and evil.

But it's pretty obvious why they did this spin-off. Rick is re-portrayed as the benevolent leader, and the next two episodes the Governor is more sharply refined as the ruthless leader, and now the two leaders are going to come to a confrontation at some point. (Rick going to win, obviously) If you ignore the fact that season 3 ever existed, the confrontation that SHOULD happen will be more satisfying. It sucks they're backtracking and have basically taken two seasons to end the prison arc, but the way they ended season 3 was just terrible. At least they acknowledge it (implicitly) now. The quality of writing in season 4 compared to season 3 is night and day.

edit: I also agree with the general sentiment about how unbelieveable this episode feels if you assume it takes place over a few days. If you assume it took place over a few weeks, then it makes more sense.
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
November 25 2013 22:42 GMT
#7634
I hope that some fighting will actually occur this time since the finale of season 3 was a fucking joke. Nothing but smoke bombs with glenn and maggie shooting probably a single mag between them at the Governor's forces with no one taking any casualties at all. Except for that one kid carl shot.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
November 25 2013 22:56 GMT
#7635
I really don't see our good guys from the prison shooting all these people. I mean, they're just a bunch of innocent people under the spell of the gov (if we are to believe the bad writing), and not the soldiers they had in the last season.

Unless of course, they will magically have a bunch of soldiers in the next episodes after all.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
November 25 2013 23:04 GMT
#7636
Fuck, I'm just excited that this is finally going to happen.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#7637
--- Nuked ---
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
November 26 2013 00:11 GMT
#7638
"I hope you have your shitting pants on... because you're about to shit your fucking pants."

That guy is filled with awesome one-liners.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18394 Posts
November 26 2013 00:35 GMT
#7639
On November 25 2013 16:21 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 15:00 GGQ wrote:
OK I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention during this episode.

Did the governor kill that other group? Or was that done by some unknown party? I'm leaning toward unknown party because their supplies were gone, right?

I read this episode as:

1) governor murders martinez because he's a power-hungry megalomaniac control freak and he doesn't think martinez is a good enough leader
2) peter becomes leader and governor decides he's not a good enough leader, either. but he feels about about murdering martinez and doesn't want to murder a nice guy like peter, so instead he gathers his new family and tries to run away so he won't be "forced" to kill him
3) they see some zombies in some mud and go back
4) governor murders peter and makes a deal with his brother whose name i forget

I'm confused about 3, though. What was the significance of the zombies in the mud? Were they just blocking the way? Was that really the only way out of the camp? Why did that make them turn back?


1) The governor killed martinez because he DIDN'T want to lead, and martinez was acting like he was going to be put in charge again.
2) Governor decided to lead only because he couldn't find a way to leave, and he thought peter would be a shitty leader. Apparently there's only one fucking road in that town, and it has mud zombies. Pretty god damn stupid of a reason, but that's how it seemed. I don't think they have any real significance. Maybe it was something along the lines of "well we're not going to find anything better, so we might as well stay".

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 15:50 Tachion wrote:
I really don't like this. It's the same shit all over again. What the hell is the point? They bring the governor back, give him a path to redemption and then were all like nah fuck it, let's just make him into the same lunatic he was last season and make him attack the prison...again. The last 2 episodes just feel like a big waste of time now as they aren't even bringing anything new to the table.


I think the point was more to show there was no redemption for him, but yeah, I thought in the end it was pretty lame.


There's only one road out of town and it's blocked by mud zombies!!! NOOOOOO

10 minutes later, Governor rolls up to the prison in his new ride, completely bypassing mud zombies.

Not to mention, super sneeky quiet zombie snuck into the camp and hid behind a sheet.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
November 26 2013 00:45 GMT
#7640
Obviously there isn't just one road, the mud walkers are just there to remind the governor there is no running from the walkers, no matter where you go they will be a threat so he decides to go back.
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