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On November 25 2013 13:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Doesn't make sense, none have vehicles, except Rick's group so how have they not stumbled upon each other? They are all within walking distance of each other and even then not heard the gun battles etc?
Who's to say Rick's group hasn't stumbled upon one of these other groups and simply hid and then turned the other way like the Governor did on the hunter trip with those 2 other guys after deciding not to take their supplies. It's not like we we're watching the group 24/7 there's definitely some days in between episodes sometimes and who knows how long in between the seasons that we didn't see happen at all.
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OK I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention during this episode.
Did the governor kill that other group? Or was that done by some unknown party? I'm leaning toward unknown party because their supplies were gone, right?
I read this episode as:
1) governor murders martinez because he's a power-hungry megalomaniac control freak and he doesn't think martinez is a good enough leader
2) peter becomes leader and governor decides he's not a good enough leader, either. but he feels about about murdering martinez and doesn't want to murder a nice guy like peter, so instead he gathers his new family and tries to run away so he won't be "forced" to kill him
3) they see some zombies in some mud and go back
4) governor murders peter and makes a deal with his brother whose name i forget
I'm confused about 3, though. What was the significance of the zombies in the mud? Were they just blocking the way? Was that really the only way out of the camp? Why did that make them turn back?
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^ There is only one explanation required. This show is ass.
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Stupid how zombies don't come out because of knocking - and then it's like, they must be stuck, and then it's like - they just pop out right behind them out of nowhere.
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I really don't like this. It's the same shit all over again. What the hell is the point? They bring the governor back, give him a path to redemption and then were all like nah fuck it, let's just make him into the same lunatic he was last season and make him attack the prison...again. The last 2 episodes just feel like a big waste of time now as they aren't even bringing anything new to the table.
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On November 25 2013 15:00 GGQ wrote:
OK I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention during this episode.
Did the governor kill that other group? Or was that done by some unknown party? I'm leaning toward unknown party because their supplies were gone, right?
I read this episode as:
1) governor murders martinez because he's a power-hungry megalomaniac control freak and he doesn't think martinez is a good enough leader
2) peter becomes leader and governor decides he's not a good enough leader, either. but he feels about about murdering martinez and doesn't want to murder a nice guy like peter, so instead he gathers his new family and tries to run away so he won't be "forced" to kill him
3) they see some zombies in some mud and go back
4) governor murders peter and makes a deal with his brother whose name i forget
I'm confused about 3, though. What was the significance of the zombies in the mud? Were they just blocking the way? Was that really the only way out of the camp? Why did that make them turn back?
1) The governor killed martinez because he DIDN'T want to lead, and martinez was acting like he was going to be put in charge again.
2) Governor decided to lead only because he couldn't find a way to leave, and he thought peter would be a shitty leader. Apparently there's only one fucking road in that town, and it has mud zombies. Pretty god damn stupid of a reason, but that's how it seemed. I don't think they have any real significance. Maybe it was something along the lines of "well we're not going to find anything better, so we might as well stay".
On November 25 2013 15:50 Tachion wrote:
I really don't like this. It's the same shit all over again. What the hell is the point? They bring the governor back, give him a path to redemption and then were all like nah fuck it, let's just make him into the same lunatic he was last season and make him attack the prison...again. The last 2 episodes just feel like a big waste of time now as they aren't even bringing anything new to the table.
I think the point was more to show there was no redemption for him, but yeah, I thought in the end it was pretty lame.
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On November 25 2013 15:50 Tachion wrote:
I really don't like this. It's the same shit all over again. What the hell is the point? They bring the governor back, give him a path to redemption and then were all like nah fuck it, let's just make him into the same lunatic he was last season and make him attack the prison...again. The last 2 episodes just feel like a big waste of time now as they aren't even bringing anything new to the table.
In my opinion its a lose/lose situation. No matter what they would've done people will hate it.
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ehh can't defend this one. I like that they didn't go off the deep end and truly try and redeem him. They were merely giving him a few patches of humanity as I thought. Yet, the whole thing happened far too rapid and easily.
- Martinez just stumbled into the zombie pit drunk? When only the governor was with him..? Hmm
- Nomadic group of people left alone with the governor all dead. Must've been some other foraging group that gunned them down. Yep. Why didn't we hear any of it? HMM
- Peter just died on a supply run? We didn't see him go out or anything. We'll just take your word for it. HMMMMMM
Now they look like they're just regurgitating the awful finale from last season. Maybe the governor won't completely get his ass handed to him in like 2 minutes this time -_-
and why are the only two lesbians in the show an aspiring police officer and a soldier in the reserves? Talk about stereotypical
I'm joining Team Nitpick this week ;(
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Well, people wanted to know what the Governor has been doing all this time and now we know. For that purpose alone I'm satisfied. Although some of the things in those two episodes was either stupid or was like "what just happened and why and what was the point?"
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On November 25 2013 16:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
ehh can't defend this one. I like that they didn't go off the deep end and truly try and redeem him. They were merely giving him a few patches of humanity as I thought. Yet, the whole thing happened far too rapid and easily.
- Martinez just stumbled into the zombie pit drunk? When only the governor was with him..? Hmm
- Nomadic group of people left alone with the governor all dead. Must've been some other foraging group that gunned them down. Yep. Why didn't we hear any of it? HMM
- Peter just died on a supply run? We didn't see him go out or anything. We'll just take your word for it. HMMMMMM
Now they look like they're just regurgitating the awful finale from last season. Maybe the governor won't completely get his ass handed to him in like 2 minutes this time -_-
and why are the only two lesbians in the show an aspiring police officer and a soldier in the reserves? Talk about stereotypical
I'm joining Team Nitpick this week ;(
One of the friends I am usually watching this shitfest with is definitely regular member in that team while I tend to claim that things don't always have to make perfect sense but really the camp in the woods and martinez death were just retarded. Not even mentioning the whole zombie swamp scene I don't even have words to describe how dumb that was.
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On November 25 2013 16:21 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 15:00 GGQ wrote:
OK I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention during this episode.
Did the governor kill that other group? Or was that done by some unknown party? I'm leaning toward unknown party because their supplies were gone, right?
I read this episode as:
1) governor murders martinez because he's a power-hungry megalomaniac control freak and he doesn't think martinez is a good enough leader
2) peter becomes leader and governor decides he's not a good enough leader, either. but he feels about about murdering martinez and doesn't want to murder a nice guy like peter, so instead he gathers his new family and tries to run away so he won't be "forced" to kill him
3) they see some zombies in some mud and go back
4) governor murders peter and makes a deal with his brother whose name i forget
I'm confused about 3, though. What was the significance of the zombies in the mud? Were they just blocking the way? Was that really the only way out of the camp? Why did that make them turn back? 1) The governor killed martinez because he DIDN'T want to lead, and martinez was acting like he was going to be put in charge again. 2) Governor decided to lead only because he couldn't find a way to leave, and he thought peter would be a shitty leader. Apparently there's only one fucking road in that town, and it has mud zombies. Pretty god damn stupid of a reason, but that's how it seemed. I don't think they have any real significance. Maybe it was something along the lines of "well we're not going to find anything better, so we might as well stay". Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 15:50 Tachion wrote:
I really don't like this. It's the same shit all over again. What the hell is the point? They bring the governor back, give him a path to redemption and then were all like nah fuck it, let's just make him into the same lunatic he was last season and make him attack the prison...again. The last 2 episodes just feel like a big waste of time now as they aren't even bringing anything new to the table.
I think the point was more to show there was no redemption for him, but yeah, I thought in the end it was pretty lame.
My impression of why he killed Martinez was because Martinez was the only one who knew who he truly was and what he has done. He told his new "family" the story of the governor but claimed to be someone else. While they were having dinner Martinez kept bringing up their previous camp, which you can see the governor get uncomfortable with.
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I thought that this was the best episode of the season. It kinda shows you what makes the governer tick. I feel like I understand way better now how he had gone from a family man to the monster he was last season.
A few things I found neat:
1.I believe he killed Martinez to hide his old identity as the governor from the rest of the new people, not neccesarily to become the leader because he was planning to run.
2.The zombies in the mud are probably one of the coolest examples of symbolism in the show. It seemed cheesy at first but if you look a bit deeper you will understand that the show was trying to demonstrate that you can't just run away from each other in this new society and that you must band together and work with each other to some extent to survive.
3. Unlike Rick, the governor has always been a win at all costs type of guy. He wasnt digging the new leadership style when he decided to stick around and saw that it would endanger his new family as well as the rest of the camp if they wernt gonna be ruthless in taking what THEY need. So he killed peter and kept his brother around because he seemed more likely to believe in the governors way of doing things.
4. Loved how they bought back the zombie voyeurism of the governor when he went back to watch zombie peter struggle under the water like he did with his victim's heads back at woodbury. I think we now understand WHY the governor had those heads in the tank. It seems like he likes to keep his neccesary victims around to remind himself of the decisions he has to keep making to survive. He had softened up a little bit in the time since last season but now that he is faced with new challenges he has to rough himself up around the edges a bit again and get used to doing the 'evil' things one must mentally detach himself from to survive.
GREAT episode. FUCK the prison people already lol.
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It seemed to me there were a lot of convenient plot devices like: camp gets raided 5 minutes after you leave there, really? The mud zombies didn't make any sense, he clearly knows about other roads in the area, so why didn't he just turn around? Also, in some bizarre way, I believe he killed Martinez to become a better man; not so much because he was afraid of Martinez telling other people about his past, but because he wanted to put all of that behind him. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me still, but he's a psychopath, so whatever.
Despite all of the confusion, I thought this was a strong episode. The characters were interesting and believable, including the Governor, who is back to being his old ruthless self. I really enjoyed the acting from the two brothers, and I even managed not to hate police academy chick. The little girl is also the best child actor they've had on the show so far. The upcoming episode looks great, I think we're going to see some main characters die very shortly.
Oh, I also wanted to point out that the parallels between Rick and the Governor continue, and I think they are very intentional. Both of them lost someone very dear to them, became broken, and lost the will to lead. They both tried to escape and live a peaceful life in solitude, but were reminded by some symbol of inevitability that they can't protect the ones they love without stepping up. Now they are both back to taking ruthless action in their own way, like Rick exiling Carol and the Governor killing nice guy to assume leadership of his group.
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Also, one might think that these recent governor-centric episode are to sort of buildup the plot a little bit before the final showdown between him and rick - and the governor's inevitable demise this season....
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Great episode, but hugely dissapointed he'll be heading back to the prison.
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Considering how bad the last season finale was, I am really not looking forward to this directors second attempt at nearly the same exact plot.
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Ridiculous. They felt so dissatisfied with how they handled the resolution of last season's plot that they want to do it over. What a joke.
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Well, Governor is still his evil self.
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On November 26 2013 01:02 Grettin wrote:
Well, Governor is still his evil self.
The entire point of the episode to show that this isn't entirely true. "It's not about doing the wrong thing or the right thing, it's about doing the only thing". Comic Governor was evil. Last season Governor was evil (and manipulative). This season's Governor is an entirely different beast. Crazy? Yes, undoubtedly. Evil? Not quite.
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WTF are they doing a prison attack all over again ? COME ON, we already had this shit last season : it was awful ! Now they repeat the exact same thing ? Damn, are they that much deprived of ideas?
This season started off great and now the Governor is ruining it, ever since he appeared we had lame episodes and now it's going to continue with this shitty pointless war once gain.
Only good thing is the Mitch guy is Alvarez from Oz and I liked him a lot !
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