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On November 18 2013 22:51 HeadlessWonder wrote: ^ You forgot the conveniently twisted ankle :D
I really do not understand, is that so hard for the writers to make her twist her ankle while actually running from the zombies so it will make sense? Somtimes I can't help but feel the writers think us viewers are idiots.
Other than that pretty good episode, much more interesting than the prison.
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On November 18 2013 12:25 jeeeeohn wrote: Wow, this episode had absolutely no connection to anything. I didn't give one shit about these new people, and I wish the zombie horde at the end had killed all of them. Why do these people matter? What's going on at the prison? Why are they suddenly making the governor sympathetic after he's already committed terrible, unforgivable atrocities? Jeesh, what a throwaway episode.
Exactly how I felt, I even stopped watching at one point considering how useless this episode was. What a huge disappointment :/ Oh and next episode is going to be Governor focused again, wtf
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I found it quite interesting to see an episode about the governor, or simply something that has nothing to with the others in the prison. It's always about the prison so i don't mind an exception
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Did anyone else spend half of the last episode wonder when/if the gov. was going to kill everyone that was trying to help him for no apparent reason then continues on towards the prison..?
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On November 19 2013 01:39 aCePikNik wrote: Did anyone else spend half of the last episode wonder when/if the gov. was going to kill everyone that was trying to help him for no apparent reason then continues on towards the prison..?
YES! I was thinking that the whole episode. I was just sitting there like, "What's gonna make him kill everyone. When's it gonna happen?" And it didn't. :D
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I thought the idea of the episode was decent, but the execution was awful. He spends half of the episode just moping around, and the other half being some chivalrous superhero. Come on, this is a guy who gunned down ~30 innocent people for no reason. Everything he does is in his own self-interest. I would have preferred it more if they had integrated some flashbacks to his time before the apocalypse, and given him some more sinister motivations, like using the girls to rebuild his ideal society.
Speaking of which, it doesn't help that the acting from the two women was abominably bad. "I understand, so like, whatever. We're cool and stuff. *fist bump*"
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On November 19 2013 02:29 Cel.erity wrote: I thought the idea of the episode was decent, but the execution was awful. He spends half of the episode just moping around, and the other half being some chivalrous superhero. Come on, this is a guy who gunned down ~30 innocent people for no reason. Everything he does is in his own self-interest. I would have preferred it more if they had integrated some flashbacks to his time before the apocalypse, and given him some more sinister motivations, like using the girls to rebuild his ideal society.
Speaking of which, it doesn't help that the acting from the two women was abominably bad. "I understand, so like, whatever. We're cool and stuff. *fist bump*"
As soon as I saw the chick forcing him to bump, I was like: "I hope you die..."
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On November 19 2013 02:29 Cel.erity wrote: I thought the idea of the episode was decent, but the execution was awful. He spends half of the episode just moping around, and the other half being some chivalrous superhero. Come on, this is a guy who gunned down ~30 innocent people for no reason. Everything he does is in his own self-interest. I would have preferred it more if they had integrated some flashbacks to his time before the apocalypse, and given him some more sinister motivations, like using the girls to rebuild his ideal society.
Speaking of which, it doesn't help that the acting from the two women was abominably bad. "I understand, so like, whatever. We're cool and stuff. *fist bump*" Yeah, this is pretty much how I felt about the episode. We know the governor is some sick twisted fuck. Giving his character a bit more depth is fine, but we are not going to just forget that he is a sick twisted fuck.
Presumably, neither are his old lieutenants, so next ep might shed a bit more light on that. On the whole, though, the focus on something other than the prison was quite nice... and the little girl was pretty good (although the two grown ups were utterly obvious redshirts).
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I found this episode remarkably boring and pointless. Are we supposed to like the Governor now?
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Goddamn the things people will criticize this show for lol....
Last week I was upset because the entire episode relied on people doing stupid things that they should know better by now not to do and people tell me im dumb and should just stop watching.
This week we finally have a refreshing episode that gives us a break from the goddamn prison and people completely miss the point....
Yeah the governor is a huge asshole crazy person but who the fuck isnt at some point in this show's history? The entire show is about the social and psychological challenges that the humans face in light of their new environment / society and the ways in which they change / deal with them. We have seen numerous people go from good guys to bad guys and back through the series so far. We saw that each and every person is a human being underneath the multiple layers their current personalities are now made up of.
The governor is no longer the governor, he has nothing, and nobody. His power has been reduced to nothing and he has found a small group of people who he sees as in need of his assistance. So what if he killed a bunch of people in a crazy rage? That doesnt mean he will kill everybody he sees! Do you people know how to read(or watch) between the lines at all? He burned the picture of his dead family in this episode because he has finally moved on from that tragedy, something that he hadnt let go of up until this point, and something that every living human must go through. Now he has found a replacment for what he has lost and is possibly seeing it as a way towards redemption.
Finally a real episode with some real character development and people wanna go back to the clownhouse where people doing dumb shit daily is the only means of plot progression.
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I don't want to complain because I think it's still much better than season 2 or 3 but I don't understand why they are trying to redeem the Governor. He was an irrational psycho and now they're making him look like he's a good guy who just made some mistakes in the past. Decent person doesn't collect human heads. Merle's redemption was passable but this is just stupid.
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This episode was really good. But I missed the others a little.
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This show is like SC2 to me, its getting harder and harder enjoying it and damn it could be so much better..
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Considering how much i dislike most of the main group i actually enjoyed this episode.
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I thought episode 5 was going to be one of the best of the entire show but this episode comes close. The contrast in quality of the episodes between seasons 2-3 and the past 6 is remarkably huge, I don't know how people can complain.
On November 18 2013 12:25 jeeeeohn wrote: Wow, this episode had absolutely no connection to anything. I didn't give one shit about these new people, and I wish the zombie horde at the end had killed all of them. Why do these people matter? What's going on at the prison? Why are they suddenly making the governor sympathetic after he's already committed terrible, unforgivable atrocities? Jeesh, what a throwaway episode.
And it looks like there's going to be another one next week just like it. I think I'm going to clock out here, folks.
Only in children's stories are the characters ever black and white with clearly defined good and evil. One of the main themes of TWD is how blurred that line becomes. If you can't understand why they'd try to portray the story from the Governor's side of the story, then you should have stopped watching from the start. This show might be hitting themes a little too complex for you.
On November 18 2013 19:34 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:22 rd wrote:On November 15 2013 18:54 Sponkz wrote:[/B Hey everyone, I'm not sure if anyone has discussed this, but i think I've figured something out.
Right now there are survivors and survivors. You can clearly see who got over the zombie-infection and who still has the potential to turn into a walker when they die. Hershell being able to take care of the ill without getting any symptoms has a realistic explaination. He was bit and had his leg cut off, therefore he has immunity to the illness that seems somewhat harsher on the people that are still zombie-infected (who coughs blood up from a regular cold normally? No one).
Secondly there's Carl. Carl back in Season 2 got shot and he nearly died. I believe, that this is the reason why he also isn't getting the cold that kills people. Rick as well got into a coma BEFORE the zombie attack and SURVIVED and therefore he's also "cured". This also makes it possible for Glenn to get the sickness (which he did), because he hasn't had a near-death experience. Are you implying that the flu, or whatever sickness everyone has is from the zombie infection? You're making multiple assumptions to tie this together. + Show Spoiler +
No, the flu is enhanced BY the zombie infection and near-death experiences or infections cures you. So far we know that:
- Everyone is infected - When you die, you turn - The infection can be stopped prematurely, by cutting off the body part that was bit (see Hershell)
So my proposal here (although far fetched, gives explanations) is that if you are in a state of near death and you survive, the zombie infection cures itself. If everyone is actually infected, being close to death, should give people a really hard time to not turn. It could also explain why Hershell and Carl doesn't get the illness. Their bodies have some kind of resistance, so either they don't get sick at all, or the flu wouldn't hitting them so hard they're coughing up blood like the rest.
I really hope there will be more in season 4 about the infection, because for all we know now, is that if you die you turn and France was the only country to get near a cure.
We don't even know if it's a generic flu, they just call it a flu. You're trying to theorycraft a possibility (that can't be proven) which is more complex than the easy answer that like many other illnesses, sometimes certain people happen to obtain immunity before they're infected, and that it's completely unrelated to the zombie infection. Coincidences exist, but it's no coincidence (pun intended) how often this show comes to rely on coincidences to move the plot forward.
[B]On November 19 2013 06:06 Sent. wrote: I don't want to complain because I think it's still much better than season 2 or 3 but I don't understand why they are trying to redeem the Governor. He was an irrational psycho and now they're making him look like he's a good guy who just made some mistakes in the past. Decent person doesn't collect human heads. Merle's redemption was passable but this is just stupid.
They haven't portrayed him as a good guy, they just portrayed him as a human. Chances are he's still psychotic, but he has a soft spot for girls resembling his own deceased daughter. I don't think it's farfetch'd to believe that finding that girl filled the void which drove him to insanity at the end of season 3, and likely his insanity which existed since his daughter had turned, and that should be apparent considering the entirety of season 3 he was in denial of her death and never got over it. If he became sane, it wouldn't be impossible, though I can't imagine season 4 will end before he goes psychotic again. But now we get to explore the complexity of his character.
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On November 19 2013 05:28 stratmatt wrote: Goddamn the things people will criticize this show for lol....
Last week I was upset because the entire episode relied on people doing stupid things that they should know better by now not to do and people tell me im dumb and should just stop watching.
This week we finally have a refreshing episode that gives us a break from the goddamn prison and people completely miss the point....
Yeah the governor is a huge asshole crazy person but who the fuck isnt at some point in this show's history? The entire show is about the social and psychological challenges that the humans face in light of their new environment / society and the ways in which they change / deal with them. We have seen numerous people go from good guys to bad guys and back through the series so far. We saw that each and every person is a human being underneath the multiple layers their current personalities are now made up of.
The governor is no longer the governor, he has nothing, and nobody. His power has been reduced to nothing and he has found a small group of people who he sees as in need of his assistance. So what if he killed a bunch of people in a crazy rage? That doesnt mean he will kill everybody he sees! Do you people know how to read(or watch) between the lines at all? He burned the picture of his dead family in this episode because he has finally moved on from that tragedy, something that he hadnt let go of up until this point, and something that every living human must go through. Now he has found a replacment for what he has lost and is possibly seeing it as a way towards redemption.
Finally a real episode with some real character development and people wanna go back to the clownhouse where people doing dumb shit daily is the only means of plot progression.
In his crazy rage he murdered 30 people. Before then, he had murdered people in cold blood, and stuck their heads in jars on a shelf... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, it seems like you conveniently forgot the entire first half of season 3 in order to make the governor just some guy who made a bad decision and is now down on his luck. He is a fucking wackjob psychopath.
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On November 19 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 05:28 stratmatt wrote: Goddamn the things people will criticize this show for lol....
Last week I was upset because the entire episode relied on people doing stupid things that they should know better by now not to do and people tell me im dumb and should just stop watching.
This week we finally have a refreshing episode that gives us a break from the goddamn prison and people completely miss the point....
Yeah the governor is a huge asshole crazy person but who the fuck isnt at some point in this show's history? The entire show is about the social and psychological challenges that the humans face in light of their new environment / society and the ways in which they change / deal with them. We have seen numerous people go from good guys to bad guys and back through the series so far. We saw that each and every person is a human being underneath the multiple layers their current personalities are now made up of.
The governor is no longer the governor, he has nothing, and nobody. His power has been reduced to nothing and he has found a small group of people who he sees as in need of his assistance. So what if he killed a bunch of people in a crazy rage? That doesnt mean he will kill everybody he sees! Do you people know how to read(or watch) between the lines at all? He burned the picture of his dead family in this episode because he has finally moved on from that tragedy, something that he hadnt let go of up until this point, and something that every living human must go through. Now he has found a replacment for what he has lost and is possibly seeing it as a way towards redemption.
Finally a real episode with some real character development and people wanna go back to the clownhouse where people doing dumb shit daily is the only means of plot progression. In his crazy rage he murdered 30 people. Before then, he had murdered people in cold blood, and stuck their heads in jars on a shelf... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, it seems like you conveniently forgot the entire first half of season 3 in order to make the governor just some guy who made a bad decision and is now down on his luck. He is a fucking wackjob psychopath.
Yeah, and the entire first half of season 3 he was in denial over the death of his daughter, which was what probably drove him to insanity. The entire point of this episode was to show how he had never gotten over her death UNTIL the new group basically explains to the audience the theme at play which is that he should get over his daughter's death and accept their daughter in her place (and possibly) overcome his insanity. It's supposed to be a new start through redemption in achieving what he failed to do in a "past lifetime." It almost comes straight from the TWD game itself.
It's a really overused theme, but in this perspective the audience is EXTREMELY aware of the evil the governor has done, which makes his possible redemption all the more impacting when you're able to believe why he'd change (and I personally can believe it, I guess I was the only one who paid attention to how much his daughter's death affected him). I really hope they explore it further in later episodes, and don't just make him go insane and murder the family, or ditch them for revenge against the Atlanta group. They actually have something good going.
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Hahaha the fist bump was sooo hilarious in an awkward way... this producer is so nuts. Frank Darabont I miss you!! Seriously, this show had so much potential... feels so cheap
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On November 19 2013 07:11 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:On November 19 2013 05:28 stratmatt wrote: Goddamn the things people will criticize this show for lol....
Last week I was upset because the entire episode relied on people doing stupid things that they should know better by now not to do and people tell me im dumb and should just stop watching.
This week we finally have a refreshing episode that gives us a break from the goddamn prison and people completely miss the point....
Yeah the governor is a huge asshole crazy person but who the fuck isnt at some point in this show's history? The entire show is about the social and psychological challenges that the humans face in light of their new environment / society and the ways in which they change / deal with them. We have seen numerous people go from good guys to bad guys and back through the series so far. We saw that each and every person is a human being underneath the multiple layers their current personalities are now made up of.
The governor is no longer the governor, he has nothing, and nobody. His power has been reduced to nothing and he has found a small group of people who he sees as in need of his assistance. So what if he killed a bunch of people in a crazy rage? That doesnt mean he will kill everybody he sees! Do you people know how to read(or watch) between the lines at all? He burned the picture of his dead family in this episode because he has finally moved on from that tragedy, something that he hadnt let go of up until this point, and something that every living human must go through. Now he has found a replacment for what he has lost and is possibly seeing it as a way towards redemption.
Finally a real episode with some real character development and people wanna go back to the clownhouse where people doing dumb shit daily is the only means of plot progression. In his crazy rage he murdered 30 people. Before then, he had murdered people in cold blood, and stuck their heads in jars on a shelf... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, it seems like you conveniently forgot the entire first half of season 3 in order to make the governor just some guy who made a bad decision and is now down on his luck. He is a fucking wackjob psychopath. Yeah, and the entire first half of season 3 he was in denial over the death of his daughter, which was what probably drove him to insanity. The entire point of this episode was to show how he had never gotten over her death UNTIL the new group basically explains to the audience the theme at play which is that he should get over his daughter's death and accept their daughter in her place (and possibly) overcome his insanity. It's supposed to be a new start through redemption in achieving what he failed to do in a "past lifetime." It almost comes straight from the TWD game itself.
The parallels weren't lost on me, but in the game you play a far more ambiguous character than that. He was a good guy, who committed a crime of passion, not a murderous psychopath.
And his daughter dying and turning into a zombie is a fucking weak excuse for his behaviour. How does sending out a hunting party for Michonne relate to his daughter? How about torturing Glenn with a zombie, and molesting Maggie?
EDIT: message I replied to was edited. I personally find it both an overused theme and completely ridiculous in this case. The governor *snapping* because his daughter died does not adequately explain his sadistic control-freak behaviour... and you don't need a psychology degree to get that.
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On November 19 2013 07:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 07:11 rd wrote:On November 19 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:On November 19 2013 05:28 stratmatt wrote: Goddamn the things people will criticize this show for lol....
Last week I was upset because the entire episode relied on people doing stupid things that they should know better by now not to do and people tell me im dumb and should just stop watching.
This week we finally have a refreshing episode that gives us a break from the goddamn prison and people completely miss the point....
Yeah the governor is a huge asshole crazy person but who the fuck isnt at some point in this show's history? The entire show is about the social and psychological challenges that the humans face in light of their new environment / society and the ways in which they change / deal with them. We have seen numerous people go from good guys to bad guys and back through the series so far. We saw that each and every person is a human being underneath the multiple layers their current personalities are now made up of.
The governor is no longer the governor, he has nothing, and nobody. His power has been reduced to nothing and he has found a small group of people who he sees as in need of his assistance. So what if he killed a bunch of people in a crazy rage? That doesnt mean he will kill everybody he sees! Do you people know how to read(or watch) between the lines at all? He burned the picture of his dead family in this episode because he has finally moved on from that tragedy, something that he hadnt let go of up until this point, and something that every living human must go through. Now he has found a replacment for what he has lost and is possibly seeing it as a way towards redemption.
Finally a real episode with some real character development and people wanna go back to the clownhouse where people doing dumb shit daily is the only means of plot progression. In his crazy rage he murdered 30 people. Before then, he had murdered people in cold blood, and stuck their heads in jars on a shelf... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, it seems like you conveniently forgot the entire first half of season 3 in order to make the governor just some guy who made a bad decision and is now down on his luck. He is a fucking wackjob psychopath. Yeah, and the entire first half of season 3 he was in denial over the death of his daughter, which was what probably drove him to insanity. The entire point of this episode was to show how he had never gotten over her death UNTIL the new group basically explains to the audience the theme at play which is that he should get over his daughter's death and accept their daughter in her place (and possibly) overcome his insanity. It's supposed to be a new start through redemption in achieving what he failed to do in a "past lifetime." It almost comes straight from the TWD game itself. The parallels weren't lost on me, but in the game you play a far more ambiguous character than that. He was a good guy, who committed a crime of passion, not a murderous psychopath. And his daughter dying and turning into a zombie is a fucking weak excuse for his behaviour. How does sending out a hunting party for Michonne relate to his daughter? How about torturing Glenn with a zombie, and molesting Maggie? EDIT: message I replied to was edited. I personally find it both an overused theme and completely ridiculous in this case. The governor *snapping* because his daughter died does not adequately explain his sadistic control-freak behaviour... and you don't need a psychology degree to get that.
Nobody is saying that his daughter is the only reason is snapped....what are you even trying to argue? That he has done evil shit? We know he also has done good things in this life and his previous life before the outbreak as well... If anything you should know that its not just ONE thing causing people to lose themselves, but a culmination of things - truly miserable things - that each and every human has gone through and reacted to in many different ways.
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