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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
November 11 2013 20:32 GMT
#7501
I liked the episode, it had some genuine suspense and I think the writers did a good job with the Herschel plot. Ofcourse it is a bit silly not to leave the cell doors closed, but his unwillingness to dehumanize his patients in any way flows quite naturally from his character. And I'm glad to have seen what probably is the end of the Carl-can't-be-trusted storyline, which had a very flimsy justification to begin with.

It is fairly silly how quickly they killed off almost all of the woodbury survivors though, most of them did nothing at all, doesn't seem like there was much point in having them in the first place. The fucked up little girl seems pretty intersting though, so that could be good.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 20:40:49
November 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#7502
You can't realistically expect them to keep all the woodbury survivors though. It'd never let the plot advance somewhere interesting. I'm pretty sure they're just fodder to make an interesting story with legitimate danger from within. I only expect 1 or 2 of them to survive by the end of the season, 1 of them being the sick girl.

On November 12 2013 05:04 dudeman001 wrote:
Only thing that bugged me about last night's episode: so the fence is finally breached (at night no less) and Rick + 1 child is enough to kill it off. What kind of shitty built up threat is that?


It was the outer fence and was only breached by a few dozen zombies in two places. It's not the climax, it's only episode 5 where they're building up to a point where they will probably confront a herd they can't hold back and abandon the prison.

On November 12 2013 05:09 Conti wrote:
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On November 12 2013 05:04 dudeman001 wrote:
Only thing that bugged me about last night's episode: so the fence is finally breached (at night no less) and Rick + 1 child is enough to kill it off. What kind of shitty built up threat is that?

Well, when the threat was a bunch of zombies casually leaning against a fence in the first place..

Not to mention a gazillion ways to deal with it other than leaning right back against the fence from the other side.


How can they deal with it? There is only two people able to do it. Everyone else is sick, or was preoccupied searching for medicine. Rick has to feed everyone, Hershel tends the sick, and Carl could help but Rick won't let him (until after this episode). Its pretty much just Maggie at the fences. I'm pretty sure the idea is that everything that could go wrong is converging all at once to prevent them from addressing the fence before it's too late. Otherwise they'd be at the prison in season 5, too.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
November 11 2013 23:39 GMT
#7503
Great episode, season 4 is on the up and up and I hope they keep going.
@miicah88
ConGee
Profile Joined May 2012
318 Posts
November 12 2013 00:28 GMT
#7504
On November 12 2013 05:04 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:
So there were literally 3 people not in quarantine while the outbreak happened? Also, are any redshirts left, or are they all dead now?


That's the most unbelievable thing of all about that episode imo. Out of all the people they brought back from Woodbury, apparently everyone is either sick or a main character of the show (or both). Where the *** is everyone else??

Well, it was a great episode in any case. I really wish they would leave the prison at some point though.


Well, it isn't TOO inconceivable that the majority of Woodbury got infected since they lived in the same cell block before quarantine.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 12 2013 00:46 GMT
#7505
What I got from this episode was "Oats in the water" by Ben Howard and that the son is better than the father at shooting. That kid is gonna go far.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18394 Posts
November 12 2013 01:17 GMT
#7506
On November 12 2013 09:28 ConGee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 05:04 PoP wrote:
On November 12 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:
So there were literally 3 people not in quarantine while the outbreak happened? Also, are any redshirts left, or are they all dead now?


That's the most unbelievable thing of all about that episode imo. Out of all the people they brought back from Woodbury, apparently everyone is either sick or a main character of the show (or both). Where the *** is everyone else??

Well, it was a great episode in any case. I really wish they would leave the prison at some point though.


Well, it isn't TOO inconceivable that the majority of Woodbury got infected since they lived in the same cell block before quarantine.


Sickness kills indiscriminately. Everybody dies, EXCEPT for all the main characters (and don't say Rachel was a main character, because she had 1 episode of introduction before she bit the dust). Herschel is immune (lucky him), Glenn is miraculously saved (as is Sascha), and nobody else got infected. The only people NOT infected were the main characters + D'Angelo.

But I am willing to let that bit slide.

I am also feeling forgiving about the retarded dealing with the fence. Instead of just luring the zombies to somewhere else, or killing them faster, they let the fence collapse.

I am letting it all slide, because this episode was finally good. It had character development, suspense and plenty of zombies.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 04:16:11
November 12 2013 04:15 GMT
#7507
It feels like zombie series only work when people are a bit dumb including the smart survivors. I mean it still really bothers me that they ignore zombies attacking the fence in area greater more than 5. If they're really planning to stay in that area they should protect the fence with their lives, even if a few zombies can't break the fence they can weaken it. Instead they take care of it later and reinforce it when it's starting to collapse? Though the group is probably going to be overrun at the end of this season especially since the Governor seems to be the one trying to lure zombies toward the prison, probably by burning Woodbury.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
November 12 2013 04:40 GMT
#7508
On November 12 2013 13:15 BlackMagister wrote:
It feels like zombie series only work when people are a bit dumb including the smart survivors. I mean it still really bothers me that they ignore zombies attacking the fence in area greater more than 5. If they're really planning to stay in that area they should protect the fence with their lives, even if a few zombies can't break the fence they can weaken it.

The fence sounds like global warming. Ideally you should take care of it early before damage is done but laziness, more pressing concerns and human nature tend to fuck things up.

Loved the episode, felt like shit was inches away from the fan. Not too excited about the governor returning but will see how it goes.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 04:45:03
November 12 2013 04:44 GMT
#7509
I assumed the random black guy who turned out to be an alcoholic was the one who burned the bodies and was feeding the zombies outside the fence. I just had a really weird vibe from him and thought he was a threat to the group and was deceiving them. I guess he'll be one of the only ones of the "new" people to stay with the group and survive w/e happens this season. He'll probably die at the end to show he's actually changed and no longer willing drink his sorrows away.

Or sell his soul to governor for some good whiskey, who knows.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
November 12 2013 05:12 GMT
#7510
i really liked this episode up until the governor showed up with scary music.


so lame, I can't believe they didn't finish that story line last season. SNORE.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
November 12 2013 11:33 GMT
#7511
Like the episode as always, except for the governor of course.
I just can't stand one-dimensional villains, especially with an eye-patch lol.
It's not like it is super fucking terrible, but I'd rather not have him back at all
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woreyour
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 15:10:47
November 12 2013 15:03 GMT
#7512
nice episode, it has been a while.

zombie gathering/build up at the fence, maybe just maybe, overnight they are being lured by the governator, feeding them and so on. That is why zombies does not ran out. (justified)

rick and carl vs the zombies, - yeah they can pretty much finish them with ease as they are experienced headshooting marksmen using automatic weapons = EZ kills (justified)

hershel immunity, well maybe just got lucky? built immunity because of too much exposure? (a little justified)

not closing all the cell doors - kinda dumb but then they have difficult people with them (like the father and son) so cant blame them, at least hershel closed the doc's cell just to make sure.

creepy annoying little girl - still waiting for her to go batshit crazy / do something really stupid that she will be the next Lori for the netizens to hate and gets killed epicly ( but i'm afraid at a cost of a life of a main cast (say hershel's other daughter) or I am hoping her sister kills her hahaha, i think her younger sister is a bad ass child.

pretty expected - governor will mess shit up, will cost some lives (maybe main cast) - will not stop till he dies.

D'Angelo - not sure if he would be a traitor or would be fucking up stuff again

tyrese surviving the whole zombie sacrifice thingy from last episode - means he is going to be impt, not dying anytime soon or for a while, guaranteed contract until season 5? Other guaranteed cast not to die - Rick, Carl, Daryl maybe add Glenn?

I LOLed at the last part where they are growing a garden full of peas in the backyard (plants vs zombies? LOL)

I am so sexy.. I sometimes romance myself..
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
November 12 2013 15:14 GMT
#7513
Is there a reason why Rick and Carl would choose auto-fire over single shots with their assault rifles? Only headshots do anything, one headshot is enough to kill a zombie, and all firing in bursts does is empty your magazine faster.
woreyour
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
582 Posts
November 12 2013 15:19 GMT
#7514
On November 13 2013 00:14 Scorch wrote:
Is there a reason why Rick and Carl would choose auto-fire over single shots with their assault rifles? Only headshots do anything, one headshot is enough to kill a zombie, and all firing in bursts does is empty your magazine faster.



maybe just rick wanting to teach him that there is that option (just a good to know thing). But when you hear the shots it is like one to two shots, most I heard were 2-3 burst shots like a glock in CS. maybe if it gets bad, carl can have an option to spray them (aiming heads) if they get really close.
I am so sexy.. I sometimes romance myself..
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
November 12 2013 19:56 GMT
#7515
On November 12 2013 01:33 stratmatt wrote:
-zombies break through the fence finally - "Oh shit they broke through the fence! Here, lets just bust out our military grade weaponry we have stockpiled and kill them once and for all because doing so before they broke the fence would have made too much sense!" "Oh btw this can be done from yards away with only two people!"

As others have said besides just conserving ammo the biggest factor was the noise attracting more zombies. Now, one of my last week nitpicks was were did the rest of the zombies go that were all around the perimeter if the fence, but then again I don't know if next episode maybe the prison does get overrun by a massive herd they can't repel. It does appear that is what it is heading for, and the governor being just outside doesn't make their situation look any better. As far as poking them in their paper mache' heads I agree they should have been more on top of it earlier in the season, but to be fair this last episode it is literally only Maggie and a bunch of kids and Maggie was out there stabbing them.
waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
November 13 2013 21:24 GMT
#7516
I agree with most of the negative comments, but in this episode they didn't bother me as much as other ones. Overall I think this episode was good and an improvement.
Guitar Picker
Profile Joined November 2013
33 Posts
November 14 2013 04:50 GMT
#7517
Wasn't there someone in the first episode of this season who said they felt bad about killing the zombies? So wouldn't that be the person who was feeding them at the fence? And how fucking hard would it have been to just keep stabbing them as they approached rather than let them accumulate or alternatively lure them to the sides so they scatter instead of staying in one place, seriously the characters in this show are so fucking stupid sometimes (sometimes being all the time). And why would there be an endless amount of zombies around this area anyway, regardless of how big a population is they're not going to just dense into one area, if anything, if this really was a prison prior to the outbreak, wouldn't the majority of zombies be inside and there be pretty much fuck all people living outside a prison?
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
November 14 2013 05:18 GMT
#7518
On November 12 2013 09:28 ConGee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 05:04 PoP wrote:
On November 12 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:
So there were literally 3 people not in quarantine while the outbreak happened? Also, are any redshirts left, or are they all dead now?


That's the most unbelievable thing of all about that episode imo. Out of all the people they brought back from Woodbury, apparently everyone is either sick or a main character of the show (or both). Where the *** is everyone else??

Well, it was a great episode in any case. I really wish they would leave the prison at some point though.


Well, it isn't TOO inconceivable that the majority of Woodbury got infected since they lived in the same cell block before quarantine.



That and they have been dying fairly consistently every episode. Usually one or two randoms gets it every episode.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 09:55:23
November 15 2013 09:54 GMT
#7519
Hey everyone, I'm not sure if anyone has discussed this, but i think I've figured something out.


Right now there are survivors and survivors. You can clearly see who got over the zombie-infection and who still has the potential to turn into a walker when they die. Hershell being able to take care of the ill without getting any symptoms has a realistic explaination. He was bit and had his leg cut off, therefore he has immunity to the illness that seems somewhat harsher on the people that are still zombie-infected (who coughs blood up from a regular cold normally? No one).

Secondly there's Carl. Carl back in Season 2 got shot and he nearly died. I believe, that this is the reason why he also isn't getting the cold that kills people. Rick as well got into a coma BEFORE the zombie attack and SURVIVED and therefore he's also "cured". This also makes it possible for Glenn to get the sickness (which he did), because he hasn't had a near-death experience.
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
November 15 2013 10:39 GMT
#7520
On November 15 2013 18:54 Sponkz wrote:
Hey everyone, I'm not sure if anyone has discussed this, but i think I've figured something out.


Right now there are survivors and survivors. You can clearly see who got over the zombie-infection and who still has the potential to turn into a walker when they die. Hershell being able to take care of the ill without getting any symptoms has a realistic explaination. He was bit and had his leg cut off, therefore he has immunity to the illness that seems somewhat harsher on the people that are still zombie-infected (who coughs blood up from a regular cold normally? No one).

Secondly there's Carl. Carl back in Season 2 got shot and he nearly died. I believe, that this is the reason why he also isn't getting the cold that kills people. Rick as well got into a coma BEFORE the zombie attack and SURVIVED and therefore he's also "cured". This also makes it possible for Glenn to get the sickness (which he did), because he hasn't had a near-death experience.

shaky explanations. This isn't LOST, i'd guess they're still trying to make a little bit of sense here.
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