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On October 30 2013 01:33 SongByungWewt wrote:Sounds good guys. Thanks for the recommend. I'll give WWZ a try. Also, good point about the Woodbury civilians. I just wish they'd take more steps to train those deadweight people into a useful force. I'm really surprised that Rick and Daryl and Glen seem to be doing nothing at this point except react while Carol's the only one actually trying to teach anyone. You'd think Daryl of all people would have started trying to create a militia. To Conti: CitationBut a correction as my previous statement was incorrect. Not every young boy could do it. It was a special corps of 700 men in the army. But the army overall was quite proficient in the use of the sling, and I think it is fair to say that a hair and an entire head are two very different things. I have no doubt that the majority of the slingers could hit the head of a slow-moving, non-defending target like a zombie.
Can you stop now? We can all see you're fascinated by antiquated weapons, but it's not doing the thread any good talking about macedonian phalanxes and halberds. If you don't like the show, stop coming here to shit on it.
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I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner.
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Daryl, Michonne, Tyrese, and Ensign D'Angelo Barksdale goes on an away mission. Who doesn't make it back?
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On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner.
You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways.
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On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways.
Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective.
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On October 30 2013 10:36 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways. Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective.
Not sure if you see the irony in bitching about steel knives, and then suggesting a list of weapons worse than steel knives. Also, see: wooden stakes outside their fence.
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On October 30 2013 11:24 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:36 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways. Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective. Not sure if you see the irony in bitching about steel knives, and then suggesting a list of weapons worse than steel knives. Also, see: wooden stakes outside their fence.
You have absolutely no concept of how armed combat works if you think a steel knife is a better weapon than a spear, a sling, or a club to inflict blunt force trauma to a zombie's brain while reducing risk to the wielder. So, no, I don't see any irony. And it's not bitching. You have a nasty little habit of trying to characterize what other people are doing in an extremely negative way. Also, see: actual contravallation works and how abysmally poor the walking dead's version is by comparison. Your snark doesn't make up for the obvious lack of any knowledge in these regards.
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On October 30 2013 12:13 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 11:24 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:36 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways. Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective. Not sure if you see the irony in bitching about steel knives, and then suggesting a list of weapons worse than steel knives. Also, see: wooden stakes outside their fence. You have absolutely no concept of how armed combat works if you think a steel knife is a better weapon than a spear, a sling, or a club to inflict blunt force trauma to a zombie's brain while reducing risk to the wielder. So, no, I don't see any irony. And it's not bitching. You have a nasty little habit of trying to characterize what other people are doing in an extremely negative way. Also, see: actual contravallation works and how abysmally poor the walking dead's version is by comparison. Your snark doesn't make up for the obvious lack of any knowledge in these regards.
GL wielding a spear or a sling anywhere outside of an open field where zombies aren't closer than 5 ft from you. Forget that they're even wooden. A knife is just much better for the agile movements needed in such close quarters. Hammers and picks are better than clubs, all the force is directed to a point rather than dispersed across an area.
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On October 30 2013 12:39 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 12:13 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 11:24 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:36 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways. Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective. Not sure if you see the irony in bitching about steel knives, and then suggesting a list of weapons worse than steel knives. Also, see: wooden stakes outside their fence. You have absolutely no concept of how armed combat works if you think a steel knife is a better weapon than a spear, a sling, or a club to inflict blunt force trauma to a zombie's brain while reducing risk to the wielder. So, no, I don't see any irony. And it's not bitching. You have a nasty little habit of trying to characterize what other people are doing in an extremely negative way. Also, see: actual contravallation works and how abysmally poor the walking dead's version is by comparison. Your snark doesn't make up for the obvious lack of any knowledge in these regards. GL wielding a spear or a sling anywhere outside of an open field where zombies aren't closer than 5 ft from you. Forget that they're even wooden. A knife is just much better for the agile movements needed in such close quarters. Hammers and picks are better than clubs, all the force is directed to a point rather than dispersed across an area.
No reason they need to fight a zombie in close quarters except the show artificially constructs stupid scenarios. The zombies are dumb and drawn to sounds. It isn't that hard to lure them out of hallways. But the show consistently has them running into the darkness to grapple up close with zombies, for no good reason. And even in close quarters, a club is superior to a knife. Have you ever tried to stab a knife through bone? Have you ever tried to crush a bone with a club? Try both of them in "close quarters" see how that turns out.
Short spears can work just as well in close quarters. A knife is garbage. Plain and simple. It's designed for stabbing wounds to the torso and neck and slashing wounds to outer limbs. It is awful for causing brain damage. And close quarters combat are the furthest thing from "agile movements." They rely much more on leverage and brute strength and sudden, violent disruptive motions. Hammers are glorified clubs. And GL wielding a PICK in a hallway. You want to talk about spears being bad then suggest using a pick? Nice theorycrafting you got going on there. Fortunately, there are 6000+ years of human history to back up the efficacy of clubs, spears, and slings. Hammers and picks not so much. Knives even less so.
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On October 30 2013 10:11 B1nary wrote:
Daryl, Michonne, Tyrese, and Ensign D'Angelo Barksdale goes on an away mission. Who doesn't make it back?
Probably the Army medic since the season 4 Comic-Con trailer showed him getting into some deep shit, but I don't think he will die yet. They'll probably all make it.
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Have you ever tried to stab a knife through bone? Have you ever tried to crush a bone with a club? Try both of them in "close quarters" see how that turns out.
I had a good chuckle at this. Has anyone, ever, in the entire existence of humanity and all of it's evolutionary predecessors, had to stab/club anything with a fresh or even rotting skull that has mysteriously risen from the dead due to some kind of completely unheard of virus?
Plus, even if you started training yourself the day that the zombie infection started - which is what? 1.5 years? - I very much doubt that anyone in this age could learn how to be as accurate as a more or less trained from birth sling soldier back in the day.
People will stick to what they know, which in TWD universe is guns > melee (knives/hammers/crowbars/reobars it seems) > unarmed
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On October 30 2013 12:52 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 12:39 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 12:13 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 11:24 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:36 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways. Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective. Not sure if you see the irony in bitching about steel knives, and then suggesting a list of weapons worse than steel knives. Also, see: wooden stakes outside their fence. You have absolutely no concept of how armed combat works if you think a steel knife is a better weapon than a spear, a sling, or a club to inflict blunt force trauma to a zombie's brain while reducing risk to the wielder. So, no, I don't see any irony. And it's not bitching. You have a nasty little habit of trying to characterize what other people are doing in an extremely negative way. Also, see: actual contravallation works and how abysmally poor the walking dead's version is by comparison. Your snark doesn't make up for the obvious lack of any knowledge in these regards. GL wielding a spear or a sling anywhere outside of an open field where zombies aren't closer than 5 ft from you. Forget that they're even wooden. A knife is just much better for the agile movements needed in such close quarters. Hammers and picks are better than clubs, all the force is directed to a point rather than dispersed across an area. No reason they need to fight a zombie in close quarters except the show artificially constructs stupid scenarios. The zombies are dumb and drawn to sounds. It isn't that hard to lure them out of hallways. But the show consistently has them running into the darkness to grapple up close with zombies, for no good reason. And even in close quarters, a club is superior to a knife. Have you ever tried to stab a knife through bone? Have you ever tried to crush a bone with a club? Try both of them in "close quarters" see how that turns out. Short spears can work just as well in close quarters. A knife is garbage. Plain and simple. It's designed for stabbing wounds to the torso and neck and slashing wounds to outer limbs. It is awful for causing brain damage. And close quarters combat are the furthest thing from "agile movements." They rely much more on leverage and brute strength and sudden, violent disruptive motions. Hammers are glorified clubs. And GL wielding a PICK in a hallway. You want to talk about spears being bad then suggest using a pick? Nice theorycrafting you got going on there. Fortunately, there are 6000+ years of human history to back up the efficacy of clubs, spears, and slings. Hammers and picks not so much. Knives even less so.
No reason to fight a zombie close quarters other than that your goal is often scavenging within buildings which are ultimately confined to close quarters. Luring them out is great, but you risk luring out a pack -- if not the entire horde that may lie dormant in a building. You're trying to advocate tactics to fight them straight up, when the goal is to avoid fighting at all. Also, you're confusing a fighting pick with a pickaxe.
There are 0 years in human history to back up that the same tactics used in pre-gunpowder era combat are equally effective vs mindless zombies as they are other humans, lol. Go ask the French how English war picks felt, or at crecy how knives and daggers worked out for them while you're on this pointless tangent of history.
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On October 30 2013 10:11 B1nary wrote:
Daryl, Michonne, Tyrese, and Ensign D'Angelo Barksdale goes on an away mission. Who doesn't make it back?
Daryl and Michonne gonna make it for sure, since they're my favourite characters after Shane is dead, I'm rooting for them :D
But tbh they all have to make it, amry medic was already close to death in the first episode, so I don't think he gonna die in few next episodes, Tyrese (Coach) got to save Sasha, no matter what happens he will break it through, just like in front of their stacked car, when he was surrounded by zombies.
I've just reaslies that I hate Rick as a character since the end of the first season, he's just an insane and psychologically unstable policeman ;/
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On October 30 2013 16:29 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 12:52 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 12:39 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 12:13 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 11:24 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:36 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 10:23 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 10:03 SongByungWewt wrote:
I'm not "shitting" on it. I'm trying to understand why the show can't push the envelope in terms of creativity and offering some possible extrapolations that would be more interesting to watch. Also, pointing out horrible glaring flaws in logic. It has nothing to do with a love for "antiquated weapons" and everything to do with illustrating the many options they have at their disposal, that they are NOT using. Lastly, Daryl, the chick with samurai sword, and many others use "antiquated weapons" on a frequent basis in the show, so obviously it's not an outlandish idea to suggest the characters should use "antiquated weapons" in a more organized and efficient manner. You're saying this like they actually have an option. Antiquated weapons are pretty hard to stumble upon if you aren't specifically looking for them, and there is a long list of things more important to be specifically looking for than antiquated weapons. Even if you did look for them, the only places you could go would be museums or pawnshops, and it'd be a crap shoot anyways. Clubs, spears, slings, and shields can all be made out of wood, and quite easily I might add. I have no idea what you mean by antiquated weapons are hard to stumble upon. These are basic weapons that our caveman ancestors were able to craft using nothing but their hands. You're telling me modern day humans with a good amount of infrastructure intact are going to have trouble making weapons for themselves? They have a long list of more important things to look for? Because defending themselves against zombies WITHOUT LOSS is not a priority to them? Huh. Interesting perspective. Not sure if you see the irony in bitching about steel knives, and then suggesting a list of weapons worse than steel knives. Also, see: wooden stakes outside their fence. You have absolutely no concept of how armed combat works if you think a steel knife is a better weapon than a spear, a sling, or a club to inflict blunt force trauma to a zombie's brain while reducing risk to the wielder. So, no, I don't see any irony. And it's not bitching. You have a nasty little habit of trying to characterize what other people are doing in an extremely negative way. Also, see: actual contravallation works and how abysmally poor the walking dead's version is by comparison. Your snark doesn't make up for the obvious lack of any knowledge in these regards. GL wielding a spear or a sling anywhere outside of an open field where zombies aren't closer than 5 ft from you. Forget that they're even wooden. A knife is just much better for the agile movements needed in such close quarters. Hammers and picks are better than clubs, all the force is directed to a point rather than dispersed across an area. No reason they need to fight a zombie in close quarters except the show artificially constructs stupid scenarios. The zombies are dumb and drawn to sounds. It isn't that hard to lure them out of hallways. But the show consistently has them running into the darkness to grapple up close with zombies, for no good reason. And even in close quarters, a club is superior to a knife. Have you ever tried to stab a knife through bone? Have you ever tried to crush a bone with a club? Try both of them in "close quarters" see how that turns out. Short spears can work just as well in close quarters. A knife is garbage. Plain and simple. It's designed for stabbing wounds to the torso and neck and slashing wounds to outer limbs. It is awful for causing brain damage. And close quarters combat are the furthest thing from "agile movements." They rely much more on leverage and brute strength and sudden, violent disruptive motions. Hammers are glorified clubs. And GL wielding a PICK in a hallway. You want to talk about spears being bad then suggest using a pick? Nice theorycrafting you got going on there. Fortunately, there are 6000+ years of human history to back up the efficacy of clubs, spears, and slings. Hammers and picks not so much. Knives even less so. No reason to fight a zombie close quarters other than that your goal is often scavenging within buildings which are ultimately confined to close quarters. Luring them out is great, but you risk luring out a pack -- if not the entire horde that may lie dormant in a building. You're trying to advocate tactics to fight them straight up, when the goal is to avoid fighting at all. Also, you're confusing a fighting pick with a pickaxe. There are 0 years in human history to back up that the same tactics used in pre-gunpowder era combat are equally effective vs mindless zombies as they are other humans, lol. Go ask the French how English war picks felt, or at crecy how knives and daggers worked out for them while you're on this pointless tangent of history.
...War picks were used to pierce plate armor. Zombies don't have plate armor. Nor does Rick's group have access to war picks. So why are you talking about them? They DO have access to spears and clubs. Crecy makes no sense as an example. You're talking about massed bowfire at knights charging through a swamp, then walking up to the knights floundering in the mud and stabbing them in the throat where they have weak spots in their armor. Difference between them and zombies is all it takes from a zombie is a tiny bite to kill you. A french knight wallowing in the mud is not going to kill you with a bite. You're all over the place with your reasoning now, and I'm not sure why you're even trying to argue considering your original point was to say "antiquated weapons" were a silly notion. Now you're trying to advance other antiquated weapons as superior alternatives.
The goal is also not to avoid fighting at all. They go out there every day and stab them through the fence (with modified spears). And they venture out to forage for things, but then spread out inside a building with no apparent order. When zombie attacks do come, they don't organize in any meaningful way. They all just run around killing whatever and having little scenes of saving each other at the last second.
There are many years in human history to back up the efficacy of melee combat. That's why the simple tactic of causing head injuries to the zombies kills them. It doesn't matter that they're infected with some sort of new virus. That's completely irrelevant. What matters is that they are slow moving, unthinking, do not defend themselves, and die to head wounds. I'm kind of astounded you and the other guy are even trying to forward this as an argument. Any previous military tactics that involve keeping things out of melee distance and giving the opportunity to cause head trauma will work on zombies. Just because zombies are new doesn't mean basic laws of physics no longer apply. A wall of spears is going to hold off zombies just as well as it does humans (who at least will wear armor helmets and try to dodge away). In fact, even more so. That's why a piddly series of chain link fences have kept the zombies away from the prison for quite some time now. A defense that even a group of middle schoolers could defeat.
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On October 30 2013 12:59 zoLo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:11 B1nary wrote:
Daryl, Michonne, Tyrese, and Ensign D'Angelo Barksdale goes on an away mission. Who doesn't make it back? Probably the Army medic since the season 4 Comic-Con trailer showed him getting into some deep shit, but I don't think he will die yet. They'll probably all make it.
I think it was a rhetorical question.
D'Angelo has to die, they're still way over their quota of black people, and we all know Tyreese's sister is going to be saved by the last-minute miracle cure. If the next episode begins with some exposition of his backstory, you know he's done for.
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I can't stand the stupidities of the characters in this show. It's so hard to relate to them. (still watch it because well, zombie apocalypse woohoo!).
-Terrible disease strikes, noone covers their coughing with their hands. Even the fricking doctor just hurls blood in Hershels face for no reason.
-They have a watchtower but still get suprised by a buildup of zombies who try to push over the fence... and then call noone for help but try to fight it with a small group.
- Driving on an empty straight road with 4 people but still manage to crash into a horde of 1000 walkers due to a radio....
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On October 30 2013 19:27 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I can't stand the stupidities of the characters in this show. It's so hard to relate to them. (still watch it because well, zombie apocalypse woohoo!).
-Terrible disease strikes, noone covers their coughing with their hands. Even the fricking doctor just hurls blood in Hershels face for no reason.
-They have a watchtower but still get suprised by a buildup of zombies who try to push over the fence... and then call noone for help but try to fight it with a small group.
- Driving on an empty straight road with 4 people but still manage to crash into a horde of 1000 walkers due to a radio....
Exactly the same thoughts...And I can imagine they gonna involve some fast zombies relativly soon, evolution of virus or smth like that... While watching this series you should forget about logic, it's just a show, but tbh it is has more real things than (WBO & WBA) wrestling show for example :D
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I've been wondering about the stupidity as well, it's almost as if they have given up and each and everyone just focus on their own little menial task. Then they get hit by some insanely aggressive disease that straight up kills people within 24-48 hours of getting it. I don't mind diseases being around, but I mind it when said disease seemingly turns out to be one of the worst diseases in the history of humanity.
Regarding the silly discussion between SongByungWewt and rd, I take SBW's side, because zombie's would be shredded against a solid shield wall. But training an phalanx or similar would only work if you had the numbers to make a large unit, otherwise they'd get overrun by the zombie numbers.
Btw. am I the only one wondering why Shionne's sword isn't dull as fuck or broken? She must've cut through 100+ bones with it, which samurai swords were not made to do.
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On October 30 2013 14:05 KnT wrote:Show nested quote +Have you ever tried to stab a knife through bone? Have you ever tried to crush a bone with a club? Try both of them in "close quarters" see how that turns out. I had a good chuckle at this. Has anyone, ever, in the entire existence of humanity and all of it's evolutionary predecessors, had to stab/club anything with a fresh or even rotting skull that has mysteriously risen from the dead due to some kind of completely unheard of virus? Plus, even if you started training yourself the day that the zombie infection started - which is what? 1.5 years? - I very much doubt that anyone in this age could learn how to be as accurate as a more or less trained from birth sling soldier back in the day. People will stick to what they know, which in TWD universe is guns > melee (knives/hammers/crowbars/reobars it seems) > unarmed
I dont care about the slingshot debate, guns surely are easier. But it is pretty strange that these people have not bothered to organise themselves to fight in some sort of formation, and have not bothered to create any kind of protection for themselves such as shields and some form of protective clothing/armor. It is not hard to see that 6+ people fighting in an organised fashion with clubs/swords and shields would take out any number of zombies without much danger to themselves. It would actually be really cool to see them try and do this.
Right now they are running around quite aimlessly, and shooting untill they have to reload and then there is a bunch of chaos and people die.
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On October 30 2013 20:00 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 14:05 KnT wrote:Have you ever tried to stab a knife through bone? Have you ever tried to crush a bone with a club? Try both of them in "close quarters" see how that turns out. I had a good chuckle at this. Has anyone, ever, in the entire existence of humanity and all of it's evolutionary predecessors, had to stab/club anything with a fresh or even rotting skull that has mysteriously risen from the dead due to some kind of completely unheard of virus? Plus, even if you started training yourself the day that the zombie infection started - which is what? 1.5 years? - I very much doubt that anyone in this age could learn how to be as accurate as a more or less trained from birth sling soldier back in the day. People will stick to what they know, which in TWD universe is guns > melee (knives/hammers/crowbars/reobars it seems) > unarmed I dont care about the slingshot debate, guns surely are easier. But it is pretty strange that these people have not bothered to organise themselves to fight in some sort of formation, and have not bothered to create any kind of protection for themselves such as shields and some form of protective clothing/armor. It is not hard to see that 6+ people fighting in an organised fashion with clubs/swords and shields would take out any number of zombies without much danger to themselves. It would actually be really cool to see them try and do this. Right now they are running around quite aimlessly, and shooting untill they have to reload and then there is a bunch of chaos and people die.
I dare to say even a military set up position and open field of fire and trained soldiers plus snipers or mine fields won't stop a huge herd. If its 10000+. While TWD doesn't use it, when Rick was in Atlanta in the beginning you could see a ton of Zombies and I dare to say that isn't even 300.
![[image loading]](http://myspideysenseistingling.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/zombies-converge-on-tank.jpg)
Now imagine 10000.... look at these examples:
![[image loading]](http://melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/obama-crowd-4-14-10.png%3Fw%3D455)
![[image loading]](http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/_nxSnkM6jqY/maxresdefault.jpg)
Do you really believe people with shields and swords could bring down a herd? Even if its just 200 zombies, 6 people would need to be very fit and with amazing accuracy to bring down so many zombies that quick.
Really the problem is they keep going. It doesn't really matter how much you kill, they are basically endless. If you take 20 trained soldiers all with M16A3 (maximum 100+1 rounds, standard 30 + 1 rounds) and assuming they would just need one round and headshot everything, for 5000 zombies all soldiers would nearly need 2,5 magazines... and I think it goes without saying that single-shots will be slower and obviously you will not all hit individual zombies and/or exactly headshot all of them. The threat is greatly underestimated.
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