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On October 31 2013 00:23 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 23:44 eu.exodus wrote:
Okay so we're really debating the effectiveness of weapons, and how realistic the killing of zombies is in a completely fictional tv show? You know that even if some disease came along fo realz that had the ability to restore motor function to your rotting corpse that the flesh on your bones and the very brain controlling it would decay into pretty much nothing in a few months.
Can't we just enjoy the show?
Ps : nobody would wield wooden spears because fuck splinters. We all accept the premise that zombies can and do exist, because it is necessary for the show to exist. Just because you accept this premise it doesnt mean you dont get to question anything else. Even within fiction the actions or inactions of the characters must make sense for it to be a quality story. Yes, we can "just" enjoy the show. But, why can't we also enjoy the discussion of what the best way to combat the zombies in the show would be?
Because if you start to seriously point out the logical flaws of a show like this, well.. there's no end to it. Seriously. The Walking Dead has so many small and big logic flaws that it seems pointless to list them all. If that's an actual issue for you, this is simply just not the show for you. Yes, most things in the show happen so we have drama. Because if they would not happen, we would not have drama. And instead, we would have a boring show of people not dying and taking care of all the zombies exactly like they're supposed to.
Reminds me of the sensible horror film trailer I saw lately, where all the characters did sensible things like not go out alone in the woods, not split up, and call the police right away and so on. Turns out, if everyone acts sensibly, you don't get to have an actual horror film because none of the horror stuff will happen in the first place.
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On October 31 2013 00:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:13 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. At some point someone is going to have to tell you in maximum size font it's a fictional show, where writers have the ability to justify any "hole" in the logic by simply changing how the fictional virus works. For every 1 complaint you have about a stupid real world comparison to medieval combat vs people, the writers can make up 10 reasons why knives are perfectly fine vs rotted skulls which have the resistance of an orange. Read the post above yours. Now I don't necessarily mind skulls that have the resistance of an orange. But that still doesn't excuse some of the absolutely nonsensical combat tactics used (like the lack of a trench with spikes in it around the jail). Hell, the black crazy dude from s. 1 ep 1. (upon revisiting him last season) had better zombie defense than an entire jail filled with able-bodied survivors. The ONLY reason for the retarded tactics, is so that they can keep creating suspense of scary zombies every time a team has to go out there, and so that the jail is still vulnerable to attacks. The idea of a disease was an excellent one for the S4 antagonist, because yes, these guys are getting better at killing zombies. However, they are getting better in a completely unrealistic manner (rather than learn from their mistakes and build better defenses, they are all just becoming pro-head-shotters).
Dunno why people bitch about the head-shots either. It's from 10 ft or less against slow moving targets. At some point in the show during first two seasons it shows everyone being trained by police officers. It's not difficult to imagine in a world of the survival of the fittest, the group we watch is the fittest.
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On October 31 2013 00:33 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:21 Acrofales wrote:On October 31 2013 00:13 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. At some point someone is going to have to tell you in maximum size font it's a fictional show, where writers have the ability to justify any "hole" in the logic by simply changing how the fictional virus works. For every 1 complaint you have about a stupid real world comparison to medieval combat vs people, the writers can make up 10 reasons why knives are perfectly fine vs rotted skulls which have the resistance of an orange. Read the post above yours. Now I don't necessarily mind skulls that have the resistance of an orange. But that still doesn't excuse some of the absolutely nonsensical combat tactics used (like the lack of a trench with spikes in it around the jail). Hell, the black crazy dude from s. 1 ep 1. (upon revisiting him last season) had better zombie defense than an entire jail filled with able-bodied survivors. The ONLY reason for the retarded tactics, is so that they can keep creating suspense of scary zombies every time a team has to go out there, and so that the jail is still vulnerable to attacks. The idea of a disease was an excellent one for the S4 antagonist, because yes, these guys are getting better at killing zombies. However, they are getting better in a completely unrealistic manner (rather than learn from their mistakes and build better defenses, they are all just becoming pro-head-shotters). Dunno why people bitch about the head-shots either. It's from 10 ft or less against slow moving targets. At some point in the show during first two seasons it shows everyone being trained by police officers. It's not difficult to imagine in a world of the survival of the fittest, the group we watch is the fittest.
if they are the fittest, humanity deserves to be whiped out....
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I obviously meant horde not horse haha My bad
Tbh, fair point about the fresh zombies from a guy back in last page... but AGAIN PEOPLE, it's a FICTIONAL SHOW. Who are you to say that the virus that turns them into zombies doesn't also eat away at their their bones and organs/skin? You are trying to use logic to explain an illogical situation. Did you guys also question how iron man's suit works in the Avengers? Or how his holographic computers work that magically? Or how optimus can possible turn back into a truck that size? This is like arguing what weapons would and wouldn't work against a ghost in a horror movie... IT'S A MOTHAFUGGIN GHOST IN A FICTIONAL MOVIE, you don't know sh*t about what would work and wouldn't work, that's 100% up to the writers. If you don't like it then get the f*ck out and stop watching lol This is the last I'll speak to this cuz there's no point in arguing with someone like you, just sh*ts up the thread with more of your posts lol
Fact of the matter is, if we take what works and doesn't against zombies from what the show and writers show us, knifes are GREAT weapons. So stop complaining kid lol It's arguing for the sake of argument. It's silly, it's dumb, it doesn't make you look smart or knowledgeable, just makes you look like a whiny little b*tch on the internet lol
On October 31 2013 00:55 Snotling wrote:
if they are the fittest, humanity deserves to be whiped out....
It's just as much about luck as it is about smarts. You can be the most fit man in the world with an IQ of 9001, if the apocalypse starts when you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, you just die. They are the luckiest, not the fittest, and they've simply learned as they go. They're normal like us, no training on anything. Replace them with the actual fittest that turned out to be just as lucky, and I guarantee they wouldn't make half the mistakes these NORMAL people do. With that said Daryl/Rick/Pre-Crazy Shane (and now Michonne) are quite smart and skilled, the group would be all dead without them.
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On October 31 2013 00:32 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:23 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 23:44 eu.exodus wrote:
Okay so we're really debating the effectiveness of weapons, and how realistic the killing of zombies is in a completely fictional tv show? You know that even if some disease came along fo realz that had the ability to restore motor function to your rotting corpse that the flesh on your bones and the very brain controlling it would decay into pretty much nothing in a few months.
Can't we just enjoy the show?
Ps : nobody would wield wooden spears because fuck splinters. We all accept the premise that zombies can and do exist, because it is necessary for the show to exist. Just because you accept this premise it doesnt mean you dont get to question anything else. Even within fiction the actions or inactions of the characters must make sense for it to be a quality story. Yes, we can "just" enjoy the show. But, why can't we also enjoy the discussion of what the best way to combat the zombies in the show would be? Because if you start to seriously point out the logical flaws of a show like this, well.. there's no end to it. Seriously. The Walking Dead has so many small and big logic flaws that it seems pointless to list them all. If that's an actual issue for you, this is simply just not the show for you. Yes, most things in the show happen so we have drama. Because if they would not happen, we would not have drama. And instead, we would have a boring show of people not dying and taking care of all the zombies exactly like they're supposed to. Reminds me of the sensible horror film trailer I saw lately, where all the characters did sensible things like not go out alone in the woods, not split up, and call the police right away and so on. Turns out, if everyone acts sensibly, you don't get to have an actual horror film because none of the horror stuff will happen in the first place.
The interesting thing about Walking Dead has always been that they go beyond the initial phase of the zombie outbreak. They show what it would be like to live in a post-apocalyptic zombie world long-term. There are lots of great things you can do with that, and they did alot of it. They've done the conflicts within a group of survivors, they've done the tensions that arise from integrating two groups with differing viewpoints in season 2. They've done the whole "how can you keep your humanity in a world as cruel this", with the madness of Shane, the Governor and Rick. Their madness were all of a different nature and all that, and that was pretty cool. They did the threat of other survivor groups, and although there were flaws they did ok for the most part.
Like I said, I think the long-term aspect is the most interesting thing about the show. How to deal with crime (carol killing those 2 people) and disease seems to be new themes this season, and thats ok, I am looking forward to seeing what they do with it. But both of these problems seem to be created by unbelievable stupidity, and that makes it feel contrived rather than flowing naturally from the setting and the personailities of the characters.
I can accept that Carol has developed into a character that is willing to make the tough choices that this new world requires, and that is a good thing. But she shows complete idiocy by killing these two people and burning them without consulting anyone. What did she think the outcome of that would be? That everyone would just shrug and go "oh well" and move on with their day? It just doesn't make much sense for her to do it the way she did. This is also in direct conflict with her character as was previously established. A big point that was made about her back in season 2 was that she was very distressed by the fact that Rick was making decisions for the group without consulting everyone. It doesn't fit.
Also,this disease breaks out and aparently they have 0 antibiotics on hand, ugh. And it isnt a regular disease its a super-duper flu that kills people within a day. This feels a bit silly, we already accepted the zombie-virus or whatever, now there is also an apparently unrelated disease that also kills everyone? But I geuss that maybe this thing will turn out to be related somehow and that could be good, gotta wait and see I geuss, but honestly I see no way they could connect it.
One of the things they definitely should have done was show the group becoming better and better at handling the zombies, so that we get to see cool clever things done by our heroes, showing us that they arent morons and that (unlike Andrea) they deserve to live. Otherwise the show would just be a bunch of incompetent people endlessly running away and struggling to survive the direct threat of zombies coming at them. Over and over and over And exactly like every other zombie movie. That wouldn't be quality drama like you suggest, it would be very boring.
This doesnt mean that people can't make mistakes. Carol made another mistake last episode by going to get water by herself, but that mistake flows quite naturally from her character and the circumstances she was in, that sort of shit is fine. What isn't fine is writing a huge out-of-character mistake in there just because you need shit to happen. That is bad writing.
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On October 31 2013 00:31 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 22:16 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. I dont mind the fact that they made the zombies very squishy, its just a way to put lots of gore into the show, which does add to the atmosphere of the show. Im perfectly happy to accept that bones are rotting for some reason, I'm less happy to accept that the people who have managed to escape the apocalypse by being more adept at survival than the millions of people who are now coming to eat them, have not thought to wear protective gear, or any kind of sophisticated formation, during their evidentily extremely hazardous daily activity of killing zombies. Actually, in one of the first episodes, they did show protective gear being used, but there is no explanation for why that tactic is now abandoned. The tactic of covering yourself in zombie guts and just casually strolling past them is also completely abandoned.But I can sort of forgive that, since it isnt known how reliable this is, and it would make the supply runs less interesting. Yeah, exactly! To me, the covering yourself in zombie guts, having someone stand on top of a skyscraper and direct you with a walkie-talkie, using baseball bats to fight them off and pinging stuff off an empty tank as decoys, that was the sort of thing that originally drew me to the show. I saw creativity there, some McGuyver-esque moves being made to manipulate the circumstances they'd been thrust into in an interesting way. That was the sort of thing I wanted to see more of. But then the show just devolved into emotional porn, and a constant need for stupidity to create plot problems. It is not satisfying to see a large group of people continue to suffer for hours on end due to an endless series of nonsensical decisions. And the show constantly takes the cheap, emotionally manipulative route to try to create these TV moments. Like Rick using the pigs as decoys. Oh no, his babies. The one thing he's been trying to nurture all the way from the end of the last season till now. And he's going to have to give it all up because people are getting deathly ill apparently from the pigs. Seems like whenever the show needs a convenient plot device, it just relies on "disease" as its magic word. Because I guess they figure the avg viewer doesn't know shit about biology or how rare it is for a flu strain to jump species. And how much more rare it is for that flu to actually kill people. But continuing on because there's still plenty more to say about the pigs. For instance, look at how Rick gets rid of the pigs. He slashes them on the leg and for no apparent reason leaves a long ass trail of them to lure the zombies away from the fence. A fence that has been holding out the zombies for months on end, but nope, suddenly a little gaggle of them starts getting overzealous and it's some huge crisis that Rick has to care of by sacrificing his lil piggies. Not like he could have lobbed a single one of the pigs over the fence and had it run away squealing. Not like the sound of the pig squealing and actually moving about would have distracted the zombies for far longer. Much more sensible to go out there in the car, possibly expose yourself to attack, and drop the pigs one by one every few feet for the zombies to gobble up, while making sure to go slow enough that the zombies can finish one pig before following Rick to the next one. Let's not even begin to talk about how calorie inefficient of a solution that was, when supposedly the group is constantly desperate for food. Or how gasoline inefficient, when gasoline is a very scarce resource. Or how he could have just as easily sat in the back of the truck, made loud noises to have the zombies follow them, then use Daryl's crossbow to shoot them in the head one by one as they came and thereby eliminate the threat completely. It would have spent the same amount of time and gasoline and spared any need to use the pigs. But that wouldn't make any sense because then we wouldn't have been able to enjoy seeing Rick's anguished expression as he dreamily fell back into the bed of the truck, lamenting the loss of his precious pigs. Pigs that he could have easily roasted, and thereby eliminated the threat of flu, and fed their people as well. But no, instead, lets feed the flu-infested pigs to already disease riddled zombies that like to hang all around our home and rub themselves against the fence and groan at us. That's a far more elegant solution to the problem. This is why I am disgusted by the show nowadays. It insults the intelligence of its viewers.
If you think the pigs are the cause of the infection, would you roll the dice on eating it after seeing what happened to the infected? The gas thing, that was to torch whatever shit the pigs had been touching. That really wasn't out there.
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On October 31 2013 01:37 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:31 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 22:16 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. I dont mind the fact that they made the zombies very squishy, its just a way to put lots of gore into the show, which does add to the atmosphere of the show. Im perfectly happy to accept that bones are rotting for some reason, I'm less happy to accept that the people who have managed to escape the apocalypse by being more adept at survival than the millions of people who are now coming to eat them, have not thought to wear protective gear, or any kind of sophisticated formation, during their evidentily extremely hazardous daily activity of killing zombies. Actually, in one of the first episodes, they did show protective gear being used, but there is no explanation for why that tactic is now abandoned. The tactic of covering yourself in zombie guts and just casually strolling past them is also completely abandoned.But I can sort of forgive that, since it isnt known how reliable this is, and it would make the supply runs less interesting. Yeah, exactly! To me, the covering yourself in zombie guts, having someone stand on top of a skyscraper and direct you with a walkie-talkie, using baseball bats to fight them off and pinging stuff off an empty tank as decoys, that was the sort of thing that originally drew me to the show. I saw creativity there, some McGuyver-esque moves being made to manipulate the circumstances they'd been thrust into in an interesting way. That was the sort of thing I wanted to see more of. But then the show just devolved into emotional porn, and a constant need for stupidity to create plot problems. It is not satisfying to see a large group of people continue to suffer for hours on end due to an endless series of nonsensical decisions. And the show constantly takes the cheap, emotionally manipulative route to try to create these TV moments. Like Rick using the pigs as decoys. Oh no, his babies. The one thing he's been trying to nurture all the way from the end of the last season till now. And he's going to have to give it all up because people are getting deathly ill apparently from the pigs. Seems like whenever the show needs a convenient plot device, it just relies on "disease" as its magic word. Because I guess they figure the avg viewer doesn't know shit about biology or how rare it is for a flu strain to jump species. And how much more rare it is for that flu to actually kill people. But continuing on because there's still plenty more to say about the pigs. For instance, look at how Rick gets rid of the pigs. He slashes them on the leg and for no apparent reason leaves a long ass trail of them to lure the zombies away from the fence. A fence that has been holding out the zombies for months on end, but nope, suddenly a little gaggle of them starts getting overzealous and it's some huge crisis that Rick has to care of by sacrificing his lil piggies. Not like he could have lobbed a single one of the pigs over the fence and had it run away squealing. Not like the sound of the pig squealing and actually moving about would have distracted the zombies for far longer. Much more sensible to go out there in the car, possibly expose yourself to attack, and drop the pigs one by one every few feet for the zombies to gobble up, while making sure to go slow enough that the zombies can finish one pig before following Rick to the next one. Let's not even begin to talk about how calorie inefficient of a solution that was, when supposedly the group is constantly desperate for food. Or how gasoline inefficient, when gasoline is a very scarce resource. Or how he could have just as easily sat in the back of the truck, made loud noises to have the zombies follow them, then use Daryl's crossbow to shoot them in the head one by one as they came and thereby eliminate the threat completely. It would have spent the same amount of time and gasoline and spared any need to use the pigs. But that wouldn't make any sense because then we wouldn't have been able to enjoy seeing Rick's anguished expression as he dreamily fell back into the bed of the truck, lamenting the loss of his precious pigs. Pigs that he could have easily roasted, and thereby eliminated the threat of flu, and fed their people as well. But no, instead, lets feed the flu-infested pigs to already disease riddled zombies that like to hang all around our home and rub themselves against the fence and groan at us. That's a far more elegant solution to the problem. This is why I am disgusted by the show nowadays. It insults the intelligence of its viewers. If you think the pigs are the cause of the infection, would you roll the dice on eating it after seeing what happened to the infected? The gas thing, that was to torch whatever shit the pigs had been touching. That really wasn't out there.
I would have been fine with burning the pigs. But feeding them to the zombies that hang around outside their place? Isn't that just making the situation worse?
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On October 31 2013 01:36 Crushinator wrote:
I can accept that Carol has developed into a character that is willing to make the tough choices that this new world requires, and that is a good thing. But she shows complete idiocy by killing these two people and burning them without consulting anyone. What did she think the outcome of that would be? That everyone would just shrug and go "oh well" and move on with their day? It just doesn't make much sense for her to do it the way she did. This is also in direct conflict with her character as was previously established. A big point that was made about her back in season 2 was that she was very distressed by the fact that Rick was making decisions for the group without consulting everyone. It doesn't fit.
True, it doesn't fit with carol from season two. But she's evolved quite a bit since then, no? Back then, she was a crying mess and would risk everyone for one person. Slowly, probably in part to seeing Rick doing it some and in part due to how fucked everything is in society now, she's turned into the person that will make decisions in mind of benefiting the group and not the individuals. It's an arc that's been developing slowly since her kid died. Think about what a fucking putz she was in 1 & 2, and how she was all about teaching kids how to use knives after that
On October 31 2013 01:40 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:37 QuanticHawk wrote:On October 31 2013 00:31 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 22:16 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. I dont mind the fact that they made the zombies very squishy, its just a way to put lots of gore into the show, which does add to the atmosphere of the show. Im perfectly happy to accept that bones are rotting for some reason, I'm less happy to accept that the people who have managed to escape the apocalypse by being more adept at survival than the millions of people who are now coming to eat them, have not thought to wear protective gear, or any kind of sophisticated formation, during their evidentily extremely hazardous daily activity of killing zombies. Actually, in one of the first episodes, they did show protective gear being used, but there is no explanation for why that tactic is now abandoned. The tactic of covering yourself in zombie guts and just casually strolling past them is also completely abandoned.But I can sort of forgive that, since it isnt known how reliable this is, and it would make the supply runs less interesting. Yeah, exactly! To me, the covering yourself in zombie guts, having someone stand on top of a skyscraper and direct you with a walkie-talkie, using baseball bats to fight them off and pinging stuff off an empty tank as decoys, that was the sort of thing that originally drew me to the show. I saw creativity there, some McGuyver-esque moves being made to manipulate the circumstances they'd been thrust into in an interesting way. That was the sort of thing I wanted to see more of. But then the show just devolved into emotional porn, and a constant need for stupidity to create plot problems. It is not satisfying to see a large group of people continue to suffer for hours on end due to an endless series of nonsensical decisions. And the show constantly takes the cheap, emotionally manipulative route to try to create these TV moments. Like Rick using the pigs as decoys. Oh no, his babies. The one thing he's been trying to nurture all the way from the end of the last season till now. And he's going to have to give it all up because people are getting deathly ill apparently from the pigs. Seems like whenever the show needs a convenient plot device, it just relies on "disease" as its magic word. Because I guess they figure the avg viewer doesn't know shit about biology or how rare it is for a flu strain to jump species. And how much more rare it is for that flu to actually kill people. But continuing on because there's still plenty more to say about the pigs. For instance, look at how Rick gets rid of the pigs. He slashes them on the leg and for no apparent reason leaves a long ass trail of them to lure the zombies away from the fence. A fence that has been holding out the zombies for months on end, but nope, suddenly a little gaggle of them starts getting overzealous and it's some huge crisis that Rick has to care of by sacrificing his lil piggies. Not like he could have lobbed a single one of the pigs over the fence and had it run away squealing. Not like the sound of the pig squealing and actually moving about would have distracted the zombies for far longer. Much more sensible to go out there in the car, possibly expose yourself to attack, and drop the pigs one by one every few feet for the zombies to gobble up, while making sure to go slow enough that the zombies can finish one pig before following Rick to the next one. Let's not even begin to talk about how calorie inefficient of a solution that was, when supposedly the group is constantly desperate for food. Or how gasoline inefficient, when gasoline is a very scarce resource. Or how he could have just as easily sat in the back of the truck, made loud noises to have the zombies follow them, then use Daryl's crossbow to shoot them in the head one by one as they came and thereby eliminate the threat completely. It would have spent the same amount of time and gasoline and spared any need to use the pigs. But that wouldn't make any sense because then we wouldn't have been able to enjoy seeing Rick's anguished expression as he dreamily fell back into the bed of the truck, lamenting the loss of his precious pigs. Pigs that he could have easily roasted, and thereby eliminated the threat of flu, and fed their people as well. But no, instead, lets feed the flu-infested pigs to already disease riddled zombies that like to hang all around our home and rub themselves against the fence and groan at us. That's a far more elegant solution to the problem. This is why I am disgusted by the show nowadays. It insults the intelligence of its viewers. If you think the pigs are the cause of the infection, would you roll the dice on eating it after seeing what happened to the infected? The gas thing, that was to torch whatever shit the pigs had been touching. That really wasn't out there. I would have been fine with burning the pigs. But feeding them to the zombies that hang around outside their place? Isn't that just making the situation worse?
They drove away from the fence to do it. It was a temporary distraction so that they could prop up the fence before it totally collapsed. Remember that they found someone had been killing rats and dropping them on the inside to attract the walkers in the first place?
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On October 31 2013 01:01 ffadicted wrote:I obviously meant horde not horse haha My bad Tbh, fair point about the fresh zombies from a guy back in last page... but AGAIN PEOPLE, it's a FICTIONAL SHOW. Who are you to say that the virus that turns them into zombies doesn't also eat away at their their bones and organs/skin? You are trying to use logic to explain an illogical situation. Did you guys also question how iron man's suit works in the Avengers? Or how his holographic computers work that magically? Or how optimus can possible turn back into a truck that size? This is like arguing what weapons would and wouldn't work against a ghost in a horror movie... IT'S A MOTHAFUGGIN GHOST IN A FICTIONAL MOVIE, you don't know sh*t about what would work and wouldn't work, that's 100% up to the writers. If you don't like it then get the f*ck out and stop watching lol This is the last I'll speak to this cuz there's no point in arguing with someone like you, just sh*ts up the thread with more of your posts lol Fact of the matter is, if we take what works and doesn't against zombies from what the show and writers show us, knifes are GREAT weapons. So stop complaining kid lol It's arguing for the sake of argument. It's silly, it's dumb, it doesn't make you look smart or knowledgeable, just makes you look like a whiny little b*tch on the internet lol Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:55 Snotling wrote:
if they are the fittest, humanity deserves to be whiped out....
It's just as much about luck as it is about smarts. You can be the most fit man in the world with an IQ of 9001, if the apocalypse starts when you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, you just die. They are the luckiest, not the fittest, and they've simply learned as they go. They're normal like us, no training on anything. Replace them with the actual fittest that turned out to be just as lucky, and I guarantee they wouldn't make half the mistakes these NORMAL people do. With that said Daryl/Rick/Pre-Crazy Shane (and now Michonne) are quite smart and skilled, the group would be all dead without them.
Uh actually in the walking dead universe it's been stated that the dead decay at a normal rate. The show doesn't even follow the rules established for it. I think you may have missed the episode where they're in the CDC. The scientist explained how the virus works and everyone has it. I will never understand why people are happy with mediocrity and shoddy writing. While also not allowing other people to complain about it or express differing opinions.
The fact that you have to make up such shitty excuses to justify what happens in the show really reflects on what kind of writers they have.
Also calling someone a whiny little "b*tch". Doesn't lessen the fact you were calling them a whiny little bitch.
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On October 31 2013 01:43 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:36 Crushinator wrote:
I can accept that Carol has developed into a character that is willing to make the tough choices that this new world requires, and that is a good thing. But she shows complete idiocy by killing these two people and burning them without consulting anyone. What did she think the outcome of that would be? That everyone would just shrug and go "oh well" and move on with their day? It just doesn't make much sense for her to do it the way she did. This is also in direct conflict with her character as was previously established. A big point that was made about her back in season 2 was that she was very distressed by the fact that Rick was making decisions for the group without consulting everyone. It doesn't fit.
True, it doesn't fit with carol from season two. But she's evolved quite a bit since then, no? Back then, she was a crying mess and would risk everyone for one person. Slowly, probably in part to seeing Rick doing it some and in part due to how fucked everything is in society now, she's turned into the person that will make decisions in mind of benefiting the group and not the individuals. It's an arc that's been developing slowly since her kid died. Think about what a fucking putz she was in 1 & 2, and how she was all about teaching kids how to use knives after that Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:40 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 31 2013 01:37 QuanticHawk wrote:On October 31 2013 00:31 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 22:16 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. I dont mind the fact that they made the zombies very squishy, its just a way to put lots of gore into the show, which does add to the atmosphere of the show. Im perfectly happy to accept that bones are rotting for some reason, I'm less happy to accept that the people who have managed to escape the apocalypse by being more adept at survival than the millions of people who are now coming to eat them, have not thought to wear protective gear, or any kind of sophisticated formation, during their evidentily extremely hazardous daily activity of killing zombies. Actually, in one of the first episodes, they did show protective gear being used, but there is no explanation for why that tactic is now abandoned. The tactic of covering yourself in zombie guts and just casually strolling past them is also completely abandoned.But I can sort of forgive that, since it isnt known how reliable this is, and it would make the supply runs less interesting. Yeah, exactly! To me, the covering yourself in zombie guts, having someone stand on top of a skyscraper and direct you with a walkie-talkie, using baseball bats to fight them off and pinging stuff off an empty tank as decoys, that was the sort of thing that originally drew me to the show. I saw creativity there, some McGuyver-esque moves being made to manipulate the circumstances they'd been thrust into in an interesting way. That was the sort of thing I wanted to see more of. But then the show just devolved into emotional porn, and a constant need for stupidity to create plot problems. It is not satisfying to see a large group of people continue to suffer for hours on end due to an endless series of nonsensical decisions. And the show constantly takes the cheap, emotionally manipulative route to try to create these TV moments. Like Rick using the pigs as decoys. Oh no, his babies. The one thing he's been trying to nurture all the way from the end of the last season till now. And he's going to have to give it all up because people are getting deathly ill apparently from the pigs. Seems like whenever the show needs a convenient plot device, it just relies on "disease" as its magic word. Because I guess they figure the avg viewer doesn't know shit about biology or how rare it is for a flu strain to jump species. And how much more rare it is for that flu to actually kill people. But continuing on because there's still plenty more to say about the pigs. For instance, look at how Rick gets rid of the pigs. He slashes them on the leg and for no apparent reason leaves a long ass trail of them to lure the zombies away from the fence. A fence that has been holding out the zombies for months on end, but nope, suddenly a little gaggle of them starts getting overzealous and it's some huge crisis that Rick has to care of by sacrificing his lil piggies. Not like he could have lobbed a single one of the pigs over the fence and had it run away squealing. Not like the sound of the pig squealing and actually moving about would have distracted the zombies for far longer. Much more sensible to go out there in the car, possibly expose yourself to attack, and drop the pigs one by one every few feet for the zombies to gobble up, while making sure to go slow enough that the zombies can finish one pig before following Rick to the next one. Let's not even begin to talk about how calorie inefficient of a solution that was, when supposedly the group is constantly desperate for food. Or how gasoline inefficient, when gasoline is a very scarce resource. Or how he could have just as easily sat in the back of the truck, made loud noises to have the zombies follow them, then use Daryl's crossbow to shoot them in the head one by one as they came and thereby eliminate the threat completely. It would have spent the same amount of time and gasoline and spared any need to use the pigs. But that wouldn't make any sense because then we wouldn't have been able to enjoy seeing Rick's anguished expression as he dreamily fell back into the bed of the truck, lamenting the loss of his precious pigs. Pigs that he could have easily roasted, and thereby eliminated the threat of flu, and fed their people as well. But no, instead, lets feed the flu-infested pigs to already disease riddled zombies that like to hang all around our home and rub themselves against the fence and groan at us. That's a far more elegant solution to the problem. This is why I am disgusted by the show nowadays. It insults the intelligence of its viewers. If you think the pigs are the cause of the infection, would you roll the dice on eating it after seeing what happened to the infected? The gas thing, that was to torch whatever shit the pigs had been touching. That really wasn't out there. I would have been fine with burning the pigs. But feeding them to the zombies that hang around outside their place? Isn't that just making the situation worse? They drove away from the fence to do it. It was a temporary distraction so that they could prop up the fence before it totally collapsed. Remember that they found someone had been killing rats and dropping them on the inside to attract the walkers in the first place?
Weren't the rats fed to the zombie called Nick by the little girl, rather than someone intentionally attracting them?
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On October 31 2013 01:51 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:43 QuanticHawk wrote:On October 31 2013 01:36 Crushinator wrote:
I can accept that Carol has developed into a character that is willing to make the tough choices that this new world requires, and that is a good thing. But she shows complete idiocy by killing these two people and burning them without consulting anyone. What did she think the outcome of that would be? That everyone would just shrug and go "oh well" and move on with their day? It just doesn't make much sense for her to do it the way she did. This is also in direct conflict with her character as was previously established. A big point that was made about her back in season 2 was that she was very distressed by the fact that Rick was making decisions for the group without consulting everyone. It doesn't fit.
True, it doesn't fit with carol from season two. But she's evolved quite a bit since then, no? Back then, she was a crying mess and would risk everyone for one person. Slowly, probably in part to seeing Rick doing it some and in part due to how fucked everything is in society now, she's turned into the person that will make decisions in mind of benefiting the group and not the individuals. It's an arc that's been developing slowly since her kid died. Think about what a fucking putz she was in 1 & 2, and how she was all about teaching kids how to use knives after that On October 31 2013 01:40 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 31 2013 01:37 QuanticHawk wrote:On October 31 2013 00:31 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 22:16 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. I dont mind the fact that they made the zombies very squishy, its just a way to put lots of gore into the show, which does add to the atmosphere of the show. Im perfectly happy to accept that bones are rotting for some reason, I'm less happy to accept that the people who have managed to escape the apocalypse by being more adept at survival than the millions of people who are now coming to eat them, have not thought to wear protective gear, or any kind of sophisticated formation, during their evidentily extremely hazardous daily activity of killing zombies. Actually, in one of the first episodes, they did show protective gear being used, but there is no explanation for why that tactic is now abandoned. The tactic of covering yourself in zombie guts and just casually strolling past them is also completely abandoned.But I can sort of forgive that, since it isnt known how reliable this is, and it would make the supply runs less interesting. Yeah, exactly! To me, the covering yourself in zombie guts, having someone stand on top of a skyscraper and direct you with a walkie-talkie, using baseball bats to fight them off and pinging stuff off an empty tank as decoys, that was the sort of thing that originally drew me to the show. I saw creativity there, some McGuyver-esque moves being made to manipulate the circumstances they'd been thrust into in an interesting way. That was the sort of thing I wanted to see more of. But then the show just devolved into emotional porn, and a constant need for stupidity to create plot problems. It is not satisfying to see a large group of people continue to suffer for hours on end due to an endless series of nonsensical decisions. And the show constantly takes the cheap, emotionally manipulative route to try to create these TV moments. Like Rick using the pigs as decoys. Oh no, his babies. The one thing he's been trying to nurture all the way from the end of the last season till now. And he's going to have to give it all up because people are getting deathly ill apparently from the pigs. Seems like whenever the show needs a convenient plot device, it just relies on "disease" as its magic word. Because I guess they figure the avg viewer doesn't know shit about biology or how rare it is for a flu strain to jump species. And how much more rare it is for that flu to actually kill people. But continuing on because there's still plenty more to say about the pigs. For instance, look at how Rick gets rid of the pigs. He slashes them on the leg and for no apparent reason leaves a long ass trail of them to lure the zombies away from the fence. A fence that has been holding out the zombies for months on end, but nope, suddenly a little gaggle of them starts getting overzealous and it's some huge crisis that Rick has to care of by sacrificing his lil piggies. Not like he could have lobbed a single one of the pigs over the fence and had it run away squealing. Not like the sound of the pig squealing and actually moving about would have distracted the zombies for far longer. Much more sensible to go out there in the car, possibly expose yourself to attack, and drop the pigs one by one every few feet for the zombies to gobble up, while making sure to go slow enough that the zombies can finish one pig before following Rick to the next one. Let's not even begin to talk about how calorie inefficient of a solution that was, when supposedly the group is constantly desperate for food. Or how gasoline inefficient, when gasoline is a very scarce resource. Or how he could have just as easily sat in the back of the truck, made loud noises to have the zombies follow them, then use Daryl's crossbow to shoot them in the head one by one as they came and thereby eliminate the threat completely. It would have spent the same amount of time and gasoline and spared any need to use the pigs. But that wouldn't make any sense because then we wouldn't have been able to enjoy seeing Rick's anguished expression as he dreamily fell back into the bed of the truck, lamenting the loss of his precious pigs. Pigs that he could have easily roasted, and thereby eliminated the threat of flu, and fed their people as well. But no, instead, lets feed the flu-infested pigs to already disease riddled zombies that like to hang all around our home and rub themselves against the fence and groan at us. That's a far more elegant solution to the problem. This is why I am disgusted by the show nowadays. It insults the intelligence of its viewers. If you think the pigs are the cause of the infection, would you roll the dice on eating it after seeing what happened to the infected? The gas thing, that was to torch whatever shit the pigs had been touching. That really wasn't out there. I would have been fine with burning the pigs. But feeding them to the zombies that hang around outside their place? Isn't that just making the situation worse? They drove away from the fence to do it. It was a temporary distraction so that they could prop up the fence before it totally collapsed. Remember that they found someone had been killing rats and dropping them on the inside to attract the walkers in the first place? Weren't the rats fed to the zombie called Nick by the little girl, rather than someone intentionally attracting them?
Oh maybe I missed that. Either way, that's why the walkers were piled up there moreso than normal
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On October 31 2013 01:01 ffadicted wrote:I obviously meant horde not horse haha My bad Tbh, fair point about the fresh zombies from a guy back in last page... but AGAIN PEOPLE, it's a FICTIONAL SHOW. Who are you to say that the virus that turns them into zombies doesn't also eat away at their their bones and organs/skin? You are trying to use logic to explain an illogical situation. Did you guys also question how iron man's suit works in the Avengers? Or how his holographic computers work that magically? This is like arguing what weapons would and wouldn't work against a ghost in a horror movie... IT'S A MOTHAFUGGIN GHOST IN A FICTIONAL MOVIE, you don't know sh*t about what would work and wouldn't work, that's 100% up to the writers. If you don't like it then get the f*ck out and stop watching lol This is the last I'll speak to this cuz there's no point in arguing with someone like you, just sh*ts up the thread with more of your posts lol Fact of the matter is, if we take what works and doesn't against zombies from what the show and writers show us, knifes are GREAT weapons. So stop complaining kid lol It's arguing for the sake of argument. It's silly, it's dumb, it doesn't make you look smart or knowledgeable, just makes you look like a whiny little b*tch on the internet lol Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:55 Snotling wrote:
if they are the fittest, humanity deserves to be whiped out....
It's just as much about luck as it is about smarts. They are the luckiest, not the fittest. With that said Daryl/Rick/Pre-Crazy Shane (and now Michonne) are quite smart and skilled, the group would be all dead without them.
See, these kinds of arguments I hate.
Like, when you watch a movie you're taking the premise of it into consideration. The premise of iron man is believable because he's a rich billionaire who can afford some really high tech technology. The technology might be impossible to be done based on our current level of technology in the real world, but theoretically it's probable. You can agree with it. You can suspend your disbelief that the technology can and does exist in that universe.
When you watch a ghost movie, you're taking into account that the ghosts DO exist in that fictional world. Just like how we're taking into account that the zombie DO exist in the world of TWD. We can believe that fact. It's called suspension of disbelief. You're suspending your disbelief that it might be improbable in the real world, but it's perfectly possible in this fictional world.
But TWD's entire idea is that it's a "realistic" interpretation of a zombie apocalypse. What "people would do in that situation." In the comics it makes sense. People might do stupid shit, but it makes sense. The show does not do this. The show has people do things for literally no logical reason. The logic is so warped that it just doesn't allow us to suspend our disbelief. The only thing we can believe is that the characters are morons. The ideas of physics and how nature works within TWD universe is clearly defined within the comic. You can see how the interactions work, and can believe them. It's what drew people in. It made sense to the reader and so we could accept it. Just some RECENT examples:
-In TWD universie newer zombies are supposed to be faster more durable as they recently turned and so have most of their strength -> over time they decay and thus become weaker and slower until they may not even be able to walk at all anymore.
But the show does not have this. You have plenty of newly made zombies being just as weak structurally as months old decayed zombies. They break like paper to a foot, or are mowed down like butter. There is no difference.
-Zombie's respond to sound/smells and will wander aimlessly in a single direction until something else catches their attention.
But the show does not have this. They use sound to make the zombies walk elsewhere? Oh guess those zombies on the roof didn't hear.....when they're just as far away...... But convenient for the badly written plot!
The logic just isn't there. The rules set down within TWD universe are not followed. It's what makes it so unbelievably silly. We can suspend our disbelief that in their world there are zombies. You simply cannot, however, suspend your disbelief for a poorly written story that doesn't follow its own rules.
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On October 31 2013 01:55 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:51 Crushinator wrote:On October 31 2013 01:43 QuanticHawk wrote:On October 31 2013 01:36 Crushinator wrote:
I can accept that Carol has developed into a character that is willing to make the tough choices that this new world requires, and that is a good thing. But she shows complete idiocy by killing these two people and burning them without consulting anyone. What did she think the outcome of that would be? That everyone would just shrug and go "oh well" and move on with their day? It just doesn't make much sense for her to do it the way she did. This is also in direct conflict with her character as was previously established. A big point that was made about her back in season 2 was that she was very distressed by the fact that Rick was making decisions for the group without consulting everyone. It doesn't fit.
True, it doesn't fit with carol from season two. But she's evolved quite a bit since then, no? Back then, she was a crying mess and would risk everyone for one person. Slowly, probably in part to seeing Rick doing it some and in part due to how fucked everything is in society now, she's turned into the person that will make decisions in mind of benefiting the group and not the individuals. It's an arc that's been developing slowly since her kid died. Think about what a fucking putz she was in 1 & 2, and how she was all about teaching kids how to use knives after that On October 31 2013 01:40 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 31 2013 01:37 QuanticHawk wrote:On October 31 2013 00:31 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 22:16 Crushinator wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. I dont mind the fact that they made the zombies very squishy, its just a way to put lots of gore into the show, which does add to the atmosphere of the show. Im perfectly happy to accept that bones are rotting for some reason, I'm less happy to accept that the people who have managed to escape the apocalypse by being more adept at survival than the millions of people who are now coming to eat them, have not thought to wear protective gear, or any kind of sophisticated formation, during their evidentily extremely hazardous daily activity of killing zombies. Actually, in one of the first episodes, they did show protective gear being used, but there is no explanation for why that tactic is now abandoned. The tactic of covering yourself in zombie guts and just casually strolling past them is also completely abandoned.But I can sort of forgive that, since it isnt known how reliable this is, and it would make the supply runs less interesting. Yeah, exactly! To me, the covering yourself in zombie guts, having someone stand on top of a skyscraper and direct you with a walkie-talkie, using baseball bats to fight them off and pinging stuff off an empty tank as decoys, that was the sort of thing that originally drew me to the show. I saw creativity there, some McGuyver-esque moves being made to manipulate the circumstances they'd been thrust into in an interesting way. That was the sort of thing I wanted to see more of. But then the show just devolved into emotional porn, and a constant need for stupidity to create plot problems. It is not satisfying to see a large group of people continue to suffer for hours on end due to an endless series of nonsensical decisions. And the show constantly takes the cheap, emotionally manipulative route to try to create these TV moments. Like Rick using the pigs as decoys. Oh no, his babies. The one thing he's been trying to nurture all the way from the end of the last season till now. And he's going to have to give it all up because people are getting deathly ill apparently from the pigs. Seems like whenever the show needs a convenient plot device, it just relies on "disease" as its magic word. Because I guess they figure the avg viewer doesn't know shit about biology or how rare it is for a flu strain to jump species. And how much more rare it is for that flu to actually kill people. But continuing on because there's still plenty more to say about the pigs. For instance, look at how Rick gets rid of the pigs. He slashes them on the leg and for no apparent reason leaves a long ass trail of them to lure the zombies away from the fence. A fence that has been holding out the zombies for months on end, but nope, suddenly a little gaggle of them starts getting overzealous and it's some huge crisis that Rick has to care of by sacrificing his lil piggies. Not like he could have lobbed a single one of the pigs over the fence and had it run away squealing. Not like the sound of the pig squealing and actually moving about would have distracted the zombies for far longer. Much more sensible to go out there in the car, possibly expose yourself to attack, and drop the pigs one by one every few feet for the zombies to gobble up, while making sure to go slow enough that the zombies can finish one pig before following Rick to the next one. Let's not even begin to talk about how calorie inefficient of a solution that was, when supposedly the group is constantly desperate for food. Or how gasoline inefficient, when gasoline is a very scarce resource. Or how he could have just as easily sat in the back of the truck, made loud noises to have the zombies follow them, then use Daryl's crossbow to shoot them in the head one by one as they came and thereby eliminate the threat completely. It would have spent the same amount of time and gasoline and spared any need to use the pigs. But that wouldn't make any sense because then we wouldn't have been able to enjoy seeing Rick's anguished expression as he dreamily fell back into the bed of the truck, lamenting the loss of his precious pigs. Pigs that he could have easily roasted, and thereby eliminated the threat of flu, and fed their people as well. But no, instead, lets feed the flu-infested pigs to already disease riddled zombies that like to hang all around our home and rub themselves against the fence and groan at us. That's a far more elegant solution to the problem. This is why I am disgusted by the show nowadays. It insults the intelligence of its viewers. If you think the pigs are the cause of the infection, would you roll the dice on eating it after seeing what happened to the infected? The gas thing, that was to torch whatever shit the pigs had been touching. That really wasn't out there. I would have been fine with burning the pigs. But feeding them to the zombies that hang around outside their place? Isn't that just making the situation worse? They drove away from the fence to do it. It was a temporary distraction so that they could prop up the fence before it totally collapsed. Remember that they found someone had been killing rats and dropping them on the inside to attract the walkers in the first place? Weren't the rats fed to the zombie called Nick by the little girl, rather than someone intentionally attracting them? Oh maybe I missed that. Either way, that's why the walkers were piled up there moreso than normal
It wasn't explicitly solved and I don't think it will be explicitly solved. But I think this is what we as the audience are supposed to infer from what was shown. Could be wrong though.
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On October 31 2013 01:51 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:01 ffadicted wrote:I obviously meant horde not horse haha My bad Tbh, fair point about the fresh zombies from a guy back in last page... but AGAIN PEOPLE, it's a FICTIONAL SHOW. Who are you to say that the virus that turns them into zombies doesn't also eat away at their their bones and organs/skin? You are trying to use logic to explain an illogical situation. Did you guys also question how iron man's suit works in the Avengers? Or how his holographic computers work that magically? Or how optimus can possible turn back into a truck that size? This is like arguing what weapons would and wouldn't work against a ghost in a horror movie... IT'S A MOTHAFUGGIN GHOST IN A FICTIONAL MOVIE, you don't know sh*t about what would work and wouldn't work, that's 100% up to the writers. If you don't like it then get the f*ck out and stop watching lol This is the last I'll speak to this cuz there's no point in arguing with someone like you, just sh*ts up the thread with more of your posts lol Fact of the matter is, if we take what works and doesn't against zombies from what the show and writers show us, knifes are GREAT weapons. So stop complaining kid lol It's arguing for the sake of argument. It's silly, it's dumb, it doesn't make you look smart or knowledgeable, just makes you look like a whiny little b*tch on the internet lol On October 31 2013 00:55 Snotling wrote:
if they are the fittest, humanity deserves to be whiped out....
It's just as much about luck as it is about smarts. You can be the most fit man in the world with an IQ of 9001, if the apocalypse starts when you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, you just die. They are the luckiest, not the fittest, and they've simply learned as they go. They're normal like us, no training on anything. Replace them with the actual fittest that turned out to be just as lucky, and I guarantee they wouldn't make half the mistakes these NORMAL people do. With that said Daryl/Rick/Pre-Crazy Shane (and now Michonne) are quite smart and skilled, the group would be all dead without them. Uh actually in the walking dead universe it's been stated that the dead decay at a normal rate. The show doesn't even follow the rules established for it. I think you may have missed the episode where they're in the CDC. The scientist explained how the virus works and everyone has it.
I might have to go back and rewatch that episode, I really don't think/don't remember there being any mention of how the dead decay years after being turned, but I could be wrong, will def check it out again. The doctor, however, mentioned quite clearly they still had no idea what it was and still weren't totally sure of all the details. That WAS the main point of the CDC: there is no hope, and there is no knowledge, you have to figure it out as you go. (that and everyone is infected). You are all refusing to figure it out as you go.
Fact is you guys want to have full knowledge of everything in a show where you mostly have knowledge of nothing. Stop trying to argue that a knife is a bad tool for the apocalypse when they've proven MULTIPLE times that it's not in THEIR apocalypse. Other then the fresh zombies in the prison (this could def have just been a plot hole that is ok to complain about, I'm gonna rewatch to see how fragile they really were, but again, same points as above), the show is very good at following it's own rules. It honestly just sounds like ppl throwing a hissy fit because things aren't the way they imagined their perfect little zombie apocalypse to be.
Oh and for the record, we still don't know who was feeding them rats, but we do know that WAS the cause of the pile up.
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On October 31 2013 00:55 Snotling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:33 rd wrote:On October 31 2013 00:21 Acrofales wrote:On October 31 2013 00:13 rd wrote:On October 30 2013 21:58 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 30 2013 21:45 ffadicted wrote:
Hasn't the show made it obvious that the corpses are completely rotten at this point and extremely easy to cut through/smash? Was this not made EXTREMELY OBVIOUS by scenes like stomping a head completely crushed, a regular fence cutting through a zombie head just from small pressure of a couple bodies on top of it, and just the general fact that any force essentially rips their entire body apart?
And you guys are arguing about knifes vs. blunt weapons/asking why sword can cut through them so many times (you know sharpening is an option right LOL). The strength of zombies (especially now) was never in their sturdyness, they are fairly easy to kill with pretty much anything. A COMBAT KNIFE (you guys don't seem to understand how sturdy those are) is an excellent weapon in close quarters which they DO need to use. Blunt weapons are also great (they do use them), swords are great, etc etc pretty much anything is great against small number of zombies. The group has realized fighting a large number if absolutely retarded, so they always run. How have you guys not figured this out yet? And you call the characters stupid? The irony is overwhelming. Shields and picks and slings to hold off a horse LOLMAO That whole rd vs. SBW just makes me laugh my a$$ off from both sides
Jesus Christ the level of intelligence in this thread... Shaking my head over here lol What are you talking about? Who mentioned horses? A combat knife is not an excellent weapon for stabbing skulls. Also, you don't seem to understand the rate at which bones decay. I'll give you a hint, a few years does not make a skull "completely rotten." Much less the one day as the poster above me mentioned. There are glaring holes in logic in this show that are indefensible. At some point someone is going to have to tell you in maximum size font it's a fictional show, where writers have the ability to justify any "hole" in the logic by simply changing how the fictional virus works. For every 1 complaint you have about a stupid real world comparison to medieval combat vs people, the writers can make up 10 reasons why knives are perfectly fine vs rotted skulls which have the resistance of an orange. Read the post above yours. Now I don't necessarily mind skulls that have the resistance of an orange. But that still doesn't excuse some of the absolutely nonsensical combat tactics used (like the lack of a trench with spikes in it around the jail). Hell, the black crazy dude from s. 1 ep 1. (upon revisiting him last season) had better zombie defense than an entire jail filled with able-bodied survivors. The ONLY reason for the retarded tactics, is so that they can keep creating suspense of scary zombies every time a team has to go out there, and so that the jail is still vulnerable to attacks. The idea of a disease was an excellent one for the S4 antagonist, because yes, these guys are getting better at killing zombies. However, they are getting better in a completely unrealistic manner (rather than learn from their mistakes and build better defenses, they are all just becoming pro-head-shotters). Dunno why people bitch about the head-shots either. It's from 10 ft or less against slow moving targets. At some point in the show during first two seasons it shows everyone being trained by police officers. It's not difficult to imagine in a world of the survival of the fittest, the group we watch is the fittest. if they are the fittest, humanity deserves to be whiped out....
Really? Other than when a wrench is thrown into the plot which generally involves them becoming stupid and making a problem for themselves, they're extremely efficient at disposing walkers. Aside from the last episode where Daryl "accidentally" drives into a horde, the writing has been much better about creating legitimate plot devices this season.
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I think the main problem is that there is almost no development from the beginning of the zombie apocalypse until now.
they are still so passive and only react to problems that occur. They are still victims that stumble blindly from one catastrophe to another only barely surviving.
instead of proactively improving their situation. Theres so much you can do. But they are still fighting like it was day 1. you have so much more possibilities in a big group when not everybody has to go scavenging and defending themselves but instead think ahead, rebuild society, despite the circumstances. They are all so paralyzed by fear and that lethargy is really tedious to watch.
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Meh episode, not much happened and was pretty boring overall appart from the like 5min of Daryl's team escape.
Also... man the zombies really suck ass in this show lol what the fuck. I really think its starting to be a problem when a show about zombies has zombies that no one is afraid of anymore.
I guess with that in perspective, they really had to introduce a highly lethal virus to create some tension back in this.
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On October 31 2013 12:12 rezoacken wrote:
Meh episode, not much happened and was pretty boring overall appart from the like 5min of Daryl's team escape.
Also... man the zombies really suck ass in this show lol what the fuck. I really think its starting to be a problem when a show about zombies has zombies that no one is afraid of anymore.
I see the show more as a post-apocalyptic drama rather than horror, so I think the slow, stupid, and weak zombies fit in much better here.
They're just threatening enough to make the environment hostile due to their numbers and spread of infection.
Yet, they're weak enough to easily be evaded and subdued in low numbers.
I can't see how a series like this would ever work with stronger zombies.
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Yeah, those types of zombies are only suited for movies and video games. You can't tell a story about how a zombie apocalypse changes the way society works when there's no more society to begin with.
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I don't know who was more pathetic in the last episode, Daryl for sitting there while zombies surrounded the car, or the zombies that pulled the classic karate movie combat of "lets attack one at a time." There's no way Tyrese should have made it out of there alive if the zombies would behave the same way they have been all series.
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