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On October 29 2013 20:07 DethAdder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:44 Exigaet wrote:On October 29 2013 00:15 Scarecrow wrote:
Curious about what was in the background of the horde shot. Looks like they were streaming out of some kind of massive structure? Maybe a safe haven (source of the radio broadcast) and recently overrun by the horde? Look again. It looks like a big building but it's actually train cars. I'm assuming they were brought there from somewhere else and let go, and now they're all swarming. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UEPVEgu.png) If you take a look a second or two before that shot you'll see some kind of rather large structure to the left of and behind the train car. Still not sure if that really plays a part or just some scenery though. ![[image loading]](http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6760/fzuj.jpg)
its clearly not a train car, just a strip of bright ground in front of a bulding, maybe gravel or something, also there are now wheels or tracks
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On October 29 2013 19:26 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 19:11 Scorch wrote:On October 29 2013 17:04 NarutO wrote:On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. You know where most people would be when a zombie apocalypse hit? Right, part of the zombie apocalypse as a zombie. Here's a tip for you: learn empathy or at least figure out the meaning of it and try getting a grasp of it to enjoy the show. Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all? Someone just murdered the woman that Tyreese seemed to love and burned her body. While that in itself is enough to completely make your mind go numb than you have someone telling you, that finding the murderer is second priority. Do you really believe you would be rational in that situation? Laughable at best. You are watching the show from home, no danger, no trouble whatsoever, don't look down to them acting like you would be perect in your decisions, most people aren't when there is no danger involved. Carol is frustrated, angry and probably sad that having to kill two _humans_ for the greater good didn't achieve anything. Thats why she raged and ofcourse wasted the water with it. Was it smart? No. Was it understandable? Yes. That doctor did cough directly in hershels face. Do you really believe his bandana would help him out in that situation? Most likely he would get it anyways so taking it off... is a rather small deal. You know why the group is still alive? Because they (mostly Rick) made the right decisions when it counted. Acting incorrectly out of impulse hurts their chances of survival, and at this point in the show people should easily be experienced enough to realize that. It is important to suppress emotions or at least channel them in a non-destructive way. It's not a matter of me lacking empathy (no need for personal attacks btw) but of their survival. They live in a hard world where kids need to grow up fast, emotional stress is omnipresent and mistakes can mean death. Tyreese was sad and angry, but there was no way how hitting Rick in the face could help anyone. Instead, he could have cried, cursed, screamed, stomped the floor or punched a wall if he really felt like hurting himself. Rick retaliated - that much is understandable - but then continued by kicking Tyreese when he was down, mounting him and pummeling his face until his fist was bleeding. Why the hell would he do that? Carol, too, had any number of ways of releasing her emotions, but she chose to waste a scarce resource essential to everyone's survival. She then had at least a couple minutes to consider if going out alone armed with only a knife was a good idea. She would have died right there if Rick hadn't randomly happened to stroll by. We don't know how the disease spreads. It may or may not spread via skin contact and it may or may not spread via airborne infection. People assume it does the latter, which is why they wear masks, but that doesn't say anything about the former. Hershel had some medical knowledge and knew this too. He wasn't under any immediate stress and was talking calmly. He didn't know whether or not the cough could infect him, but taking off his mask certainly exposed him to the risk of airborne infection. He could have used his sleeve or a rag to clean his face instead of opening another attack vector for the disease. How was Hershel supposed to help the patients if he got sick himself? Stop expecting people to act like emotionless, logic robots 100% of the time. If you put real people in ridiculously high-stress situations over extended periods, they will snap just like Rick and Carol did.
I've tried to stick with this show for 3 seasons now, and I'm finding it to be a real drag. Not much meaningful character development. Probably the biggest development has been in Rick's son, who became a hardened logic robot. But really, that's how most everyone should have become by the beginning of the second season. We're in the third season now and everyone's still wavering back and forth as if there's some great struggle to be had with their humanity. And there shouldn't be. When you wake up every day and look outside to see giant herds of zombies waiting to tear you limb from limb, you harden quick. Yes, people will have erratic behavior and can snap under the stress. But, for the most part, people get on with it. There is way too much crying and handwringing and general drama in this show. Hershell's blonde daughter, the one babysitting right now, is how the vast majority of these people should have become.
Instead, you've got a bunch of people still crying like bitches when it's the third season. People should have already adapted to the situation. They should have gotten used to the conditions. Tyreese crying over his girlfriend? Are you kidding me? Look at history. There are plenty of records of parents cannibalizing their own children during sieges or hard winters. Is it traumatic? Yes. But they don't run around and start doing horribly irrational things like taking on zombie hordes afterwards. The suicidal types should have long ago been winnowed out. Those left should be the cream of the crop. People like Daryl. The fact that you still have so much deadweight and softies in the show makes it so unbelievably dull.
And we already got plenty of the whole moral dilemma of killing a loved one because they're turning into a zombie in season 1. We already had Rick's son kill his own mother in season 2. This is ancient territory by this point. Yet, once again, 10 minutes of an episode is devoted to some random fat guy getting shanked by Carol because the guy's little baby daughters are too emotional to do the job. Why do we need to see this? What new content is that exploring? None! None at all! It's the same boring emotional porn crap over and over again. You can only watch grown ass adults crying for so long before you go to change the channel. I just don't understand why this show retains any popularity. I guess a lot of people like watching others do retarded shit and then cry about it.
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On October 29 2013 20:39 Snotling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 20:07 DethAdder wrote:If you take a look a second or two before that shot you'll see some kind of rather large structure to the left of and behind the train car. Still not sure if that really plays a part or just some scenery though. its clearly not a train car, just a strip of bright ground in front of a bulding, maybe gravel or something, also there are now wheels or tracks
The thing on the right looks like a big Lego piece to me.
I presumed they'd got to the veterinary place when watching it and that there must be people holding up in there, hence the volume of zombies.
On October 29 2013 12:38 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:32 Bowzar wrote:
No mention of Daryl pulling a Lori yet? What does pulling a lori mean?
In season 2 at some point Lori takes a car to after Rick I think and then she swerved to avoid a zombie and crashed the car almost getting herself killed. It didn't help warm her to the viewers any further. In this episode Daryl did something a little similar so that's what he meant.
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On October 29 2013 21:52 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 19:26 Scarecrow wrote:On October 29 2013 19:11 Scorch wrote:On October 29 2013 17:04 NarutO wrote:On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. You know where most people would be when a zombie apocalypse hit? Right, part of the zombie apocalypse as a zombie. Here's a tip for you: learn empathy or at least figure out the meaning of it and try getting a grasp of it to enjoy the show. Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all? Someone just murdered the woman that Tyreese seemed to love and burned her body. While that in itself is enough to completely make your mind go numb than you have someone telling you, that finding the murderer is second priority. Do you really believe you would be rational in that situation? Laughable at best. You are watching the show from home, no danger, no trouble whatsoever, don't look down to them acting like you would be perect in your decisions, most people aren't when there is no danger involved. Carol is frustrated, angry and probably sad that having to kill two _humans_ for the greater good didn't achieve anything. Thats why she raged and ofcourse wasted the water with it. Was it smart? No. Was it understandable? Yes. That doctor did cough directly in hershels face. Do you really believe his bandana would help him out in that situation? Most likely he would get it anyways so taking it off... is a rather small deal. You know why the group is still alive? Because they (mostly Rick) made the right decisions when it counted. Acting incorrectly out of impulse hurts their chances of survival, and at this point in the show people should easily be experienced enough to realize that. It is important to suppress emotions or at least channel them in a non-destructive way. It's not a matter of me lacking empathy (no need for personal attacks btw) but of their survival. They live in a hard world where kids need to grow up fast, emotional stress is omnipresent and mistakes can mean death. Tyreese was sad and angry, but there was no way how hitting Rick in the face could help anyone. Instead, he could have cried, cursed, screamed, stomped the floor or punched a wall if he really felt like hurting himself. Rick retaliated - that much is understandable - but then continued by kicking Tyreese when he was down, mounting him and pummeling his face until his fist was bleeding. Why the hell would he do that? Carol, too, had any number of ways of releasing her emotions, but she chose to waste a scarce resource essential to everyone's survival. She then had at least a couple minutes to consider if going out alone armed with only a knife was a good idea. She would have died right there if Rick hadn't randomly happened to stroll by. We don't know how the disease spreads. It may or may not spread via skin contact and it may or may not spread via airborne infection. People assume it does the latter, which is why they wear masks, but that doesn't say anything about the former. Hershel had some medical knowledge and knew this too. He wasn't under any immediate stress and was talking calmly. He didn't know whether or not the cough could infect him, but taking off his mask certainly exposed him to the risk of airborne infection. He could have used his sleeve or a rag to clean his face instead of opening another attack vector for the disease. How was Hershel supposed to help the patients if he got sick himself? Stop expecting people to act like emotionless, logic robots 100% of the time. If you put real people in ridiculously high-stress situations over extended periods, they will snap just like Rick and Carol did. I've tried to stick with this show for 3 seasons now, and I'm finding it to be a real drag. Not much meaningful character development. Probably the biggest development has been in Rick's son, who became a hardened logic robot. But really, that's how most everyone should have become by the beginning of the second season. We're in the third season now and everyone's still wavering back and forth as if there's some great struggle to be had with their humanity. And there shouldn't be. When you wake up every day and look outside to see giant herds of zombies waiting to tear you limb from limb, you harden quick. Yes, people will have erratic behavior and can snap under the stress. But, for the most part, people get on with it. There is way too much crying and handwringing and general drama in this show. Hershell's blonde daughter, the one babysitting right now, is how the vast majority of these people should have become. Instead, you've got a bunch of people still crying like bitches when it's the third season. People should have already adapted to the situation. They should have gotten used to the conditions. Tyreese crying over his girlfriend? Are you kidding me? Look at history. There are plenty of records of parents cannibalizing their own children during sieges or hard winters. Is it traumatic? Yes. But they don't run around and start doing horribly irrational things like taking on zombie hordes afterwards. The suicidal types should have long ago been winnowed out. Those left should be the cream of the crop. People like Daryl. The fact that you still have so much deadweight and softies in the show makes it so unbelievably dull. And we already got plenty of the whole moral dilemma of killing a loved one because they're turning into a zombie in season 1. We already had Rick's son kill his own mother in season 2. This is ancient territory by this point. Yet, once again, 10 minutes of an episode is devoted to some random fat guy getting shanked by Carol because the guy's little baby daughters are too emotional to do the job. Why do we need to see this? What new content is that exploring? None! None at all! It's the same boring emotional porn crap over and over again. You can only watch grown ass adults crying for so long before you go to change the channel. I just don't understand why this show retains any popularity. I guess a lot of people like watching others do retarded shit and then cry about it.
This is just such a silly thing to say honestly. You just don't seem like you're the type that can immerse yourself in a character's situation. People do A LOT worse for A LOT less than seeing the entire world and everything you've known since birth go to sh*t then having the one person you love and is still here be brutally murdered, dragged across a prison floor and burnt to ashes.
Stop pretending you understanding psychology tbh lol
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Anyone who thinks that is a train car doesn't go outside enough to actually see what a train car looks like.
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On October 29 2013 21:52 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 19:26 Scarecrow wrote:On October 29 2013 19:11 Scorch wrote:On October 29 2013 17:04 NarutO wrote:On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. You know where most people would be when a zombie apocalypse hit? Right, part of the zombie apocalypse as a zombie. Here's a tip for you: learn empathy or at least figure out the meaning of it and try getting a grasp of it to enjoy the show. Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all? Someone just murdered the woman that Tyreese seemed to love and burned her body. While that in itself is enough to completely make your mind go numb than you have someone telling you, that finding the murderer is second priority. Do you really believe you would be rational in that situation? Laughable at best. You are watching the show from home, no danger, no trouble whatsoever, don't look down to them acting like you would be perect in your decisions, most people aren't when there is no danger involved. Carol is frustrated, angry and probably sad that having to kill two _humans_ for the greater good didn't achieve anything. Thats why she raged and ofcourse wasted the water with it. Was it smart? No. Was it understandable? Yes. That doctor did cough directly in hershels face. Do you really believe his bandana would help him out in that situation? Most likely he would get it anyways so taking it off... is a rather small deal. You know why the group is still alive? Because they (mostly Rick) made the right decisions when it counted. Acting incorrectly out of impulse hurts their chances of survival, and at this point in the show people should easily be experienced enough to realize that. It is important to suppress emotions or at least channel them in a non-destructive way. It's not a matter of me lacking empathy (no need for personal attacks btw) but of their survival. They live in a hard world where kids need to grow up fast, emotional stress is omnipresent and mistakes can mean death. Tyreese was sad and angry, but there was no way how hitting Rick in the face could help anyone. Instead, he could have cried, cursed, screamed, stomped the floor or punched a wall if he really felt like hurting himself. Rick retaliated - that much is understandable - but then continued by kicking Tyreese when he was down, mounting him and pummeling his face until his fist was bleeding. Why the hell would he do that? Carol, too, had any number of ways of releasing her emotions, but she chose to waste a scarce resource essential to everyone's survival. She then had at least a couple minutes to consider if going out alone armed with only a knife was a good idea. She would have died right there if Rick hadn't randomly happened to stroll by. We don't know how the disease spreads. It may or may not spread via skin contact and it may or may not spread via airborne infection. People assume it does the latter, which is why they wear masks, but that doesn't say anything about the former. Hershel had some medical knowledge and knew this too. He wasn't under any immediate stress and was talking calmly. He didn't know whether or not the cough could infect him, but taking off his mask certainly exposed him to the risk of airborne infection. He could have used his sleeve or a rag to clean his face instead of opening another attack vector for the disease. How was Hershel supposed to help the patients if he got sick himself? Stop expecting people to act like emotionless, logic robots 100% of the time. If you put real people in ridiculously high-stress situations over extended periods, they will snap just like Rick and Carol did. I've tried to stick with this show for 3 seasons now, and I'm finding it to be a real drag. Not much meaningful character development. Probably the biggest development has been in Rick's son, who became a hardened logic robot. But really, that's how most everyone should have become by the beginning of the second season. We're in the third season now and everyone's still wavering back and forth as if there's some great struggle to be had with their humanity. And there shouldn't be. When you wake up every day and look outside to see giant herds of zombies waiting to tear you limb from limb, you harden quick. Yes, people will have erratic behavior and can snap under the stress. But, for the most part, people get on with it. There is way too much crying and handwringing and general drama in this show. Hershell's blonde daughter, the one babysitting right now, is how the vast majority of these people should have become. Instead, you've got a bunch of people still crying like bitches when it's the third season. People should have already adapted to the situation. They should have gotten used to the conditions. Tyreese crying over his girlfriend? Are you kidding me? Look at history. There are plenty of records of parents cannibalizing their own children during sieges or hard winters. Is it traumatic? Yes. But they don't run around and start doing horribly irrational things like taking on zombie hordes afterwards. The suicidal types should have long ago been winnowed out. Those left should be the cream of the crop. People like Daryl. The fact that you still have so much deadweight and softies in the show makes it so unbelievably dull. And we already got plenty of the whole moral dilemma of killing a loved one because they're turning into a zombie in season 1. We already had Rick's son kill his own mother in season 2. This is ancient territory by this point. Yet, once again, 10 minutes of an episode is devoted to some random fat guy getting shanked by Carol because the guy's little baby daughters are too emotional to do the job. Why do we need to see this? What new content is that exploring? None! None at all! It's the same boring emotional porn crap over and over again. You can only watch grown ass adults crying for so long before you go to change the channel. I just don't understand why this show retains any popularity. I guess a lot of people like watching others do retarded shit and then cry about it.
Character development is actually one of the strong points of this show if you pay attention. Your suggestions are totally unrealistic and even if they to come to pass, would make the show far duller imo. It's much more interesting to watch the constant morality vs survival dilemma in this show, and those that are gradually transitioning towards favoring the latter (such as Carol). I mean have you even been listening to the story this season? They've had a decent period of peace in a stable dwelling for awhile so naturally they're going to go back to their social ways and relax their guard (Tyresse forming a relationship for instance).
Not to mention, these are mostly first generation people so I don't know how the hell you expect them to suddenly become emotionless and logical in the face of their new world. It's just not human nature. Although, it makes more sense for young people like Carl who are still developing. TWD has it's share of problems, but honestly most of the criticism I see on here make little sense to me and I really shudder at how the show would turn out if the writers took some of these awful suggestions.
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On October 29 2013 23:27 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 21:52 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 29 2013 19:26 Scarecrow wrote:On October 29 2013 19:11 Scorch wrote:On October 29 2013 17:04 NarutO wrote:On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. You know where most people would be when a zombie apocalypse hit? Right, part of the zombie apocalypse as a zombie. Here's a tip for you: learn empathy or at least figure out the meaning of it and try getting a grasp of it to enjoy the show. Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all? Someone just murdered the woman that Tyreese seemed to love and burned her body. While that in itself is enough to completely make your mind go numb than you have someone telling you, that finding the murderer is second priority. Do you really believe you would be rational in that situation? Laughable at best. You are watching the show from home, no danger, no trouble whatsoever, don't look down to them acting like you would be perect in your decisions, most people aren't when there is no danger involved. Carol is frustrated, angry and probably sad that having to kill two _humans_ for the greater good didn't achieve anything. Thats why she raged and ofcourse wasted the water with it. Was it smart? No. Was it understandable? Yes. That doctor did cough directly in hershels face. Do you really believe his bandana would help him out in that situation? Most likely he would get it anyways so taking it off... is a rather small deal. You know why the group is still alive? Because they (mostly Rick) made the right decisions when it counted. Acting incorrectly out of impulse hurts their chances of survival, and at this point in the show people should easily be experienced enough to realize that. It is important to suppress emotions or at least channel them in a non-destructive way. It's not a matter of me lacking empathy (no need for personal attacks btw) but of their survival. They live in a hard world where kids need to grow up fast, emotional stress is omnipresent and mistakes can mean death. Tyreese was sad and angry, but there was no way how hitting Rick in the face could help anyone. Instead, he could have cried, cursed, screamed, stomped the floor or punched a wall if he really felt like hurting himself. Rick retaliated - that much is understandable - but then continued by kicking Tyreese when he was down, mounting him and pummeling his face until his fist was bleeding. Why the hell would he do that? Carol, too, had any number of ways of releasing her emotions, but she chose to waste a scarce resource essential to everyone's survival. She then had at least a couple minutes to consider if going out alone armed with only a knife was a good idea. She would have died right there if Rick hadn't randomly happened to stroll by. We don't know how the disease spreads. It may or may not spread via skin contact and it may or may not spread via airborne infection. People assume it does the latter, which is why they wear masks, but that doesn't say anything about the former. Hershel had some medical knowledge and knew this too. He wasn't under any immediate stress and was talking calmly. He didn't know whether or not the cough could infect him, but taking off his mask certainly exposed him to the risk of airborne infection. He could have used his sleeve or a rag to clean his face instead of opening another attack vector for the disease. How was Hershel supposed to help the patients if he got sick himself? Stop expecting people to act like emotionless, logic robots 100% of the time. If you put real people in ridiculously high-stress situations over extended periods, they will snap just like Rick and Carol did. I've tried to stick with this show for 3 seasons now, and I'm finding it to be a real drag. Not much meaningful character development. Probably the biggest development has been in Rick's son, who became a hardened logic robot. But really, that's how most everyone should have become by the beginning of the second season. We're in the third season now and everyone's still wavering back and forth as if there's some great struggle to be had with their humanity. And there shouldn't be. When you wake up every day and look outside to see giant herds of zombies waiting to tear you limb from limb, you harden quick. Yes, people will have erratic behavior and can snap under the stress. But, for the most part, people get on with it. There is way too much crying and handwringing and general drama in this show. Hershell's blonde daughter, the one babysitting right now, is how the vast majority of these people should have become. Instead, you've got a bunch of people still crying like bitches when it's the third season. People should have already adapted to the situation. They should have gotten used to the conditions. Tyreese crying over his girlfriend? Are you kidding me? Look at history. There are plenty of records of parents cannibalizing their own children during sieges or hard winters. Is it traumatic? Yes. But they don't run around and start doing horribly irrational things like taking on zombie hordes afterwards. The suicidal types should have long ago been winnowed out. Those left should be the cream of the crop. People like Daryl. The fact that you still have so much deadweight and softies in the show makes it so unbelievably dull. And we already got plenty of the whole moral dilemma of killing a loved one because they're turning into a zombie in season 1. We already had Rick's son kill his own mother in season 2. This is ancient territory by this point. Yet, once again, 10 minutes of an episode is devoted to some random fat guy getting shanked by Carol because the guy's little baby daughters are too emotional to do the job. Why do we need to see this? What new content is that exploring? None! None at all! It's the same boring emotional porn crap over and over again. You can only watch grown ass adults crying for so long before you go to change the channel. I just don't understand why this show retains any popularity. I guess a lot of people like watching others do retarded shit and then cry about it. Character development is actually one of the strong points of this show if you pay attention. Your suggestions are totally unrealistic and even if they to come to pass, would make the show far duller imo. It's much more interesting to watch the constant morality vs survival dilemma in this show, and those that are gradually transitioning towards favoring the latter (such as Carol). I mean have you even been listening to the story this season? They've had a decent period of peace in a stable dwelling for awhile so naturally they're going to go back to their social ways and relax their guard (Tyresse forming a relationship for instance). Not to mention, these are mostly first generation people so I don't know how the hell you expect them to suddenly become emotionless and logical in the face of their new world. It's just not human nature. Although, it makes more sense for young people like Carl who are still developing. TWD has it's share of problems, but honestly most of the criticism I see on here make little sense to me and I really shudder at how the show would turn out if the writers took some of these awful suggestions.
Thanks.
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On October 29 2013 22:44 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 21:52 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 29 2013 19:26 Scarecrow wrote:On October 29 2013 19:11 Scorch wrote:On October 29 2013 17:04 NarutO wrote:On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. You know where most people would be when a zombie apocalypse hit? Right, part of the zombie apocalypse as a zombie. Here's a tip for you: learn empathy or at least figure out the meaning of it and try getting a grasp of it to enjoy the show. Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all? Someone just murdered the woman that Tyreese seemed to love and burned her body. While that in itself is enough to completely make your mind go numb than you have someone telling you, that finding the murderer is second priority. Do you really believe you would be rational in that situation? Laughable at best. You are watching the show from home, no danger, no trouble whatsoever, don't look down to them acting like you would be perect in your decisions, most people aren't when there is no danger involved. Carol is frustrated, angry and probably sad that having to kill two _humans_ for the greater good didn't achieve anything. Thats why she raged and ofcourse wasted the water with it. Was it smart? No. Was it understandable? Yes. That doctor did cough directly in hershels face. Do you really believe his bandana would help him out in that situation? Most likely he would get it anyways so taking it off... is a rather small deal. You know why the group is still alive? Because they (mostly Rick) made the right decisions when it counted. Acting incorrectly out of impulse hurts their chances of survival, and at this point in the show people should easily be experienced enough to realize that. It is important to suppress emotions or at least channel them in a non-destructive way. It's not a matter of me lacking empathy (no need for personal attacks btw) but of their survival. They live in a hard world where kids need to grow up fast, emotional stress is omnipresent and mistakes can mean death. Tyreese was sad and angry, but there was no way how hitting Rick in the face could help anyone. Instead, he could have cried, cursed, screamed, stomped the floor or punched a wall if he really felt like hurting himself. Rick retaliated - that much is understandable - but then continued by kicking Tyreese when he was down, mounting him and pummeling his face until his fist was bleeding. Why the hell would he do that? Carol, too, had any number of ways of releasing her emotions, but she chose to waste a scarce resource essential to everyone's survival. She then had at least a couple minutes to consider if going out alone armed with only a knife was a good idea. She would have died right there if Rick hadn't randomly happened to stroll by. We don't know how the disease spreads. It may or may not spread via skin contact and it may or may not spread via airborne infection. People assume it does the latter, which is why they wear masks, but that doesn't say anything about the former. Hershel had some medical knowledge and knew this too. He wasn't under any immediate stress and was talking calmly. He didn't know whether or not the cough could infect him, but taking off his mask certainly exposed him to the risk of airborne infection. He could have used his sleeve or a rag to clean his face instead of opening another attack vector for the disease. How was Hershel supposed to help the patients if he got sick himself? Stop expecting people to act like emotionless, logic robots 100% of the time. If you put real people in ridiculously high-stress situations over extended periods, they will snap just like Rick and Carol did. I've tried to stick with this show for 3 seasons now, and I'm finding it to be a real drag. Not much meaningful character development. Probably the biggest development has been in Rick's son, who became a hardened logic robot. But really, that's how most everyone should have become by the beginning of the second season. We're in the third season now and everyone's still wavering back and forth as if there's some great struggle to be had with their humanity. And there shouldn't be. When you wake up every day and look outside to see giant herds of zombies waiting to tear you limb from limb, you harden quick. Yes, people will have erratic behavior and can snap under the stress. But, for the most part, people get on with it. There is way too much crying and handwringing and general drama in this show. Hershell's blonde daughter, the one babysitting right now, is how the vast majority of these people should have become. Instead, you've got a bunch of people still crying like bitches when it's the third season. People should have already adapted to the situation. They should have gotten used to the conditions. Tyreese crying over his girlfriend? Are you kidding me? Look at history. There are plenty of records of parents cannibalizing their own children during sieges or hard winters. Is it traumatic? Yes. But they don't run around and start doing horribly irrational things like taking on zombie hordes afterwards. The suicidal types should have long ago been winnowed out. Those left should be the cream of the crop. People like Daryl. The fact that you still have so much deadweight and softies in the show makes it so unbelievably dull. And we already got plenty of the whole moral dilemma of killing a loved one because they're turning into a zombie in season 1. We already had Rick's son kill his own mother in season 2. This is ancient territory by this point. Yet, once again, 10 minutes of an episode is devoted to some random fat guy getting shanked by Carol because the guy's little baby daughters are too emotional to do the job. Why do we need to see this? What new content is that exploring? None! None at all! It's the same boring emotional porn crap over and over again. You can only watch grown ass adults crying for so long before you go to change the channel. I just don't understand why this show retains any popularity. I guess a lot of people like watching others do retarded shit and then cry about it. People do A LOT worse for A LOT less than seeing the entire world and everything you've known since birth go to sh*t then having the one person you love and is still here be brutally murdered, dragged across a prison floor and burnt to ashes. Stop pretending you understanding psychology tbh lol
Actually, this sounds a lot like my grandma's life when the Japanese invaded. Believe it or not, people have gone through terrible things (as bad as in the Walking Dead) without acting like a total moron afterwards. The problem with the Walking Dead is its geared towards sheltered types who get titillated by this sort of "gritty realism" and like to tell themselves they're exploring some dark, hidden side of humanity that is soooo mysterious and profound. Except it's not. It's cheap emotional porn lacking in depth.
You don't seem to realize a long time has passed in the story of the Walking Dead. The unstable, retarded types should have been killed off by now. Yes, it's realistic for some people to act this way upon first experiencing these sorts of things. It is not realistic when years have gone by and they should have long ago been inured to it. And it is not realistic to recklessly start fights with other people and make a fool of yourself when Tyreese should have been fully aware that Rick and his gang run the prison and there could be serious consequences for assaulting him, no matter how upset he is.
Maybe you haven't studied real human atrocities and how people react during those situations.
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The Tyresee scene in the forest was really dumb, usually I try to defend the show and his flaws but this scene man.. He is surrounded by dozen of zombies and they do nothing but raising their arms at him, wtf ? Oh and also wtf Daryl waiting for the car to get surrounded before pulling back ? lol that was.. weird.
Basically if you're not taken by surprise there is no chance to get bitten by zombies ?... Damn
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On October 29 2013 23:27 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 21:52 SongByungWewt wrote:On October 29 2013 19:26 Scarecrow wrote:On October 29 2013 19:11 Scorch wrote:On October 29 2013 17:04 NarutO wrote:On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. You know where most people would be when a zombie apocalypse hit? Right, part of the zombie apocalypse as a zombie. Here's a tip for you: learn empathy or at least figure out the meaning of it and try getting a grasp of it to enjoy the show. Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all? Someone just murdered the woman that Tyreese seemed to love and burned her body. While that in itself is enough to completely make your mind go numb than you have someone telling you, that finding the murderer is second priority. Do you really believe you would be rational in that situation? Laughable at best. You are watching the show from home, no danger, no trouble whatsoever, don't look down to them acting like you would be perect in your decisions, most people aren't when there is no danger involved. Carol is frustrated, angry and probably sad that having to kill two _humans_ for the greater good didn't achieve anything. Thats why she raged and ofcourse wasted the water with it. Was it smart? No. Was it understandable? Yes. That doctor did cough directly in hershels face. Do you really believe his bandana would help him out in that situation? Most likely he would get it anyways so taking it off... is a rather small deal. You know why the group is still alive? Because they (mostly Rick) made the right decisions when it counted. Acting incorrectly out of impulse hurts their chances of survival, and at this point in the show people should easily be experienced enough to realize that. It is important to suppress emotions or at least channel them in a non-destructive way. It's not a matter of me lacking empathy (no need for personal attacks btw) but of their survival. They live in a hard world where kids need to grow up fast, emotional stress is omnipresent and mistakes can mean death. Tyreese was sad and angry, but there was no way how hitting Rick in the face could help anyone. Instead, he could have cried, cursed, screamed, stomped the floor or punched a wall if he really felt like hurting himself. Rick retaliated - that much is understandable - but then continued by kicking Tyreese when he was down, mounting him and pummeling his face until his fist was bleeding. Why the hell would he do that? Carol, too, had any number of ways of releasing her emotions, but she chose to waste a scarce resource essential to everyone's survival. She then had at least a couple minutes to consider if going out alone armed with only a knife was a good idea. She would have died right there if Rick hadn't randomly happened to stroll by. We don't know how the disease spreads. It may or may not spread via skin contact and it may or may not spread via airborne infection. People assume it does the latter, which is why they wear masks, but that doesn't say anything about the former. Hershel had some medical knowledge and knew this too. He wasn't under any immediate stress and was talking calmly. He didn't know whether or not the cough could infect him, but taking off his mask certainly exposed him to the risk of airborne infection. He could have used his sleeve or a rag to clean his face instead of opening another attack vector for the disease. How was Hershel supposed to help the patients if he got sick himself? Stop expecting people to act like emotionless, logic robots 100% of the time. If you put real people in ridiculously high-stress situations over extended periods, they will snap just like Rick and Carol did. I've tried to stick with this show for 3 seasons now, and I'm finding it to be a real drag. Not much meaningful character development. Probably the biggest development has been in Rick's son, who became a hardened logic robot. But really, that's how most everyone should have become by the beginning of the second season. We're in the third season now and everyone's still wavering back and forth as if there's some great struggle to be had with their humanity. And there shouldn't be. When you wake up every day and look outside to see giant herds of zombies waiting to tear you limb from limb, you harden quick. Yes, people will have erratic behavior and can snap under the stress. But, for the most part, people get on with it. There is way too much crying and handwringing and general drama in this show. Hershell's blonde daughter, the one babysitting right now, is how the vast majority of these people should have become. Instead, you've got a bunch of people still crying like bitches when it's the third season. People should have already adapted to the situation. They should have gotten used to the conditions. Tyreese crying over his girlfriend? Are you kidding me? Look at history. There are plenty of records of parents cannibalizing their own children during sieges or hard winters. Is it traumatic? Yes. But they don't run around and start doing horribly irrational things like taking on zombie hordes afterwards. The suicidal types should have long ago been winnowed out. Those left should be the cream of the crop. People like Daryl. The fact that you still have so much deadweight and softies in the show makes it so unbelievably dull. And we already got plenty of the whole moral dilemma of killing a loved one because they're turning into a zombie in season 1. We already had Rick's son kill his own mother in season 2. This is ancient territory by this point. Yet, once again, 10 minutes of an episode is devoted to some random fat guy getting shanked by Carol because the guy's little baby daughters are too emotional to do the job. Why do we need to see this? What new content is that exploring? None! None at all! It's the same boring emotional porn crap over and over again. You can only watch grown ass adults crying for so long before you go to change the channel. I just don't understand why this show retains any popularity. I guess a lot of people like watching others do retarded shit and then cry about it. Character development is actually one of the strong points of this show if you pay attention. Your suggestions are totally unrealistic and even if they to come to pass, would make the show far duller imo. It's much more interesting to watch the constant morality vs survival dilemma in this show, and those that are gradually transitioning towards favoring the latter (such as Carol). I mean have you even been listening to the story this season? They've had a decent period of peace in a stable dwelling for awhile so naturally they're going to go back to their social ways and relax their guard (Tyresse forming a relationship for instance). Not to mention, these are mostly first generation people so I don't know how the hell you expect them to suddenly become emotionless and logical in the face of their new world. It's just not human nature. Although, it makes more sense for young people like Carl who are still developing. TWD has it's share of problems, but honestly most of the criticism I see on here make little sense to me and I really shudder at how the show would turn out if the writers took some of these awful suggestions.
I wouldn't call it peace so much as a siege mentality. There are constant zombie hordes outside the fence every day. And they live in a goddamn prison, supposedly planting crops enough to feed all those people on what? Cucumbers? I won't even get into how nonsensical it is to plant a crop as calorie and vitamin inefficient as cucumbers on such a limited amount of space. And what is their staple crop? Potatoes? Wheat? How are they milling the wheat if so? Where are they planting them? The old soccer field the inmates used to play on? How are they watering these crops? With that muddy little stream they stuck a hose into? I'd actually be more interested in seeing the logistics of how they are surviving, seeing the clever solutions they come up with to improvise and make do. That would make for an interesting show.
Instead, it's the SAME constant emotional conflict of "morality" vs survival. With the same answer every time! It doesn't even vary! Some people are moral and wring their hands over what to do, then someone who is a survivor takes matters into their own hands and makes the hard choice. The moral ones inevitably freak out and cause a scene. The survivor type either puts them in their place or kills them. Oh, or its two survivors, as in the first season, and one of them kills the other. It's such a basic formula they're manipulating, so why is it meaningful and interesting to watch?
Of them all, the governor was probably the most interesting in that he was at least thinking outside the box, albeit in a sick, fked up way, but at least he was trying to do something rather than sit there and act shocked/surprised/horrified by things they see on a daily basis.
Also, what the hell is up with their defenses? They have so much manpower and apparently have time to raise pigs and go out on supply raids, yet all they rely on for defense is a ring of chainlink fences and some palisades on flat ground? These are defenses that the zombies very obviously can overwhelm if they ever gather in sufficient number.
Why have they not dug a trench and rampart yet? Those are field works even the most basic barbarians back in the day knew how to build. Zombies are the furthest thing from capable opponents. They're shambling mindless creatures. All you would need to do is dig a sufficient line of contravallations to be completely safe from the zombies. Yet, each day they go out there and poke at the zombies' heads in a gruesome and very energy-inefficient way. And they waste bullets sporadically when all they would need to do is fashion spears and shields and move in a protective formation. A Macedonian phalanx would have zero issue carving its way through an army of zombies. Absolutely none.
Yet, people from the modern era, with the tremendous wealth of knowledge that offers, continue to die one by one because they like to enter flat-roofed grocery stores (somehow without noticing the mass of zombies shambling around on top, despite a flat-roofed building's roof most definitely being within their field of vision as they walk up in broad daylight) and then scatter to every available corner to grab up bottles of cheap Merlot without a care in the world.
And only Daryl uses a crossbow. Why do none of these people have slings? Or halberds? Or any number of weapons better suited to killing zombies without wasting precious ammunition?
The show should offer some real extrapolations, actual interesting efforts by the people to solve their problems. Instead, all of that is brushed aside with only the broadest of strokes to focus on what? Oh, that's right. The cheap emotional porn.
Also, I don't know what suggestions others have made but I really didn't make any suggestions on what the show should do until this most recent post. But an example of some works that establish the moral conflict/terror/surprise early on and then get on with it would be Lord of the Flies and Battle Royale. Yes, quite shudder-inducing. I'm sure nobody ever thought those two were any good. What awful suggestions.
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On October 30 2013 01:02 Lylat wrote:
The Tyresee scene in the forest was really dumb, usually I try to defend the show and his flaws but this scene man.. He is surrounded by dozen of zombies and they do nothing but raising their arms at him, wtf ? Oh and also wtf Daryl waiting for the car to get surrounded before pulling back ? lol that was.. weird.
Basically if you're not taken by surprise there is no chance to get bitten by zombies ?... Damn
Could it be possible he is immune?
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No, he's just really fucking pissed off. Berserker in every sense in the word.
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I do agree that the scene was poorly directed though. It's inspired by one of the most famous moments from the comics and it didn't live up to it, as usual.
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Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them.
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On October 30 2013 01:12 Requizen wrote:
Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them.
I totally agree with the headshot capability. The strength however I can continue to suspend my disbelief, because those bodies may be severely decayed and therefore bones might be more brittle
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On October 30 2013 01:12 Requizen wrote:
Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them.
That's what the show proposes would happen. It's not a self-evident truth about the deadliness of zombies. Yes, maybe at the beginning, if a massive number of people suddenly became zombies and turned on the population you would have chaos and comprehensive zombification. But at this point, people are fully in the know, have had plenty of time to train themselves, and should have developed far more sophisticated methods of defense. Hell, back in the day, during Biblical times, every young boy who joined the Jewish army had to be able to cut a hair with a slingstone. And you can bet your ass that a sling can hurl a pebble hard enough to cave in a man's skull. If they can reach that level of accuracy back then, with such a large percentage of their male population (practically every young boy had to join the army) there is no reason modern day people could not with sufficient practice. And the zombies can shamble all they want. You can shoot volleys of stones at a far more rapid pace than a horde of zombies can cross an open field, no matter the number. It's not like the zombies are organized and run in properly formed waves.
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On October 30 2013 01:20 peawok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:12 Requizen wrote:
Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them. I totally agree with the headshot capability. The strength however I can continue to suspend my disbelief, because those bodies may be severely decayed and therefore bones might be more brittle
The worst part about that whole aspect of the show is that they're using KNIVES to do it. It doesn't make any sense. A knife is quite possibly the worst weapon possible for causing a lethal head wound. You could stab three, four zombies TOPS before the blade is completely ruined. Why all of them aren't armed with blunt force weapons like clubs and maces is completely beyond me. It takes more force to drive a knife through a skull than it does to drop a blackjack over the top of a zombie's head. Yet, everyone's using knives. Even Daryl. I guess it's coz knives make them look sexier and more Crocodile Dundee like.
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On October 30 2013 01:22 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:12 Requizen wrote:
Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them. That's what the show proposes would happen. It's not a self-evident truth about the deadliness of zombies. Yes, maybe at the beginning, if a massive number of people suddenly became zombies and turned on the population you would have chaos and comprehensive zombification. But at this point, people are fully in the know, have had plenty of time to train themselves, and should have developed far more sophisticated methods of defense. Hell, back in the day, during Biblical times, every young boy who joined the Jewish army had to be able to cut a hair with a slingstone. And you can bet your ass that a sling can hurl a pebble hard enough to cave in a man's skull. If they can reach that level of accuracy back then, with such a large percentage of their male population (practically every young boy had to join the army) there is no reason modern day people could not with sufficient practice. And the zombies can shamble all they want. You can shoot volleys of stones at a far more rapid pace than a horde of zombies can cross an open field, no matter the number. It's not like the zombies are organized and run in properly formed waves.
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Besides, the times/countries/cultures/people are vastly different in the two examples, so I don't see a point in directly comparing them like that. Your complaint seems to be that the show is not precisely how you would imagine a zombie apocalypse to look like. May I suggest World War Z for you (the book, definitely not the movie)? It tries to portray a realistic image of a zombie apocalypse, and it does a pretty good job at it for the most part. You might enjoy it a lot more than this show.
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On October 30 2013 01:22 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:12 Requizen wrote:
Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them. That's what the show proposes would happen. It's not a self-evident truth about the deadliness of zombies. Yes, maybe at the beginning, if a massive number of people suddenly became zombies and turned on the population you would have chaos and comprehensive zombification. But at this point, people are fully in the know, have had plenty of time to train themselves, and should have developed far more sophisticated methods of defense. Hell, back in the day, during Biblical times, every young boy who joined the Jewish army had to be able to cut a hair with a slingstone. And you can bet your ass that a sling can hurl a pebble hard enough to cave in a man's skull. If they can reach that level of accuracy back then, with such a large percentage of their male population (practically every young boy had to join the army) there is no reason modern day people could not with sufficient practice. And the zombies can shamble all they want. You can shoot volleys of stones at a far more rapid pace than a horde of zombies can cross an open field, no matter the number. It's not like the zombies are organized and run in properly formed waves.
I'd advocate reading World War Z if you like this stuff, it's quite good. And, unlike the film, isn't complete trash.
The long and short of it is, in your description you're talking about organized people, militia or even military. Yes, a squad of marines is probably going to be able to hold off an indefinite number of zombies if they have a field of their choosing and proper supplies.
The other case, though, is that you couldn't organize the defense or evacuation of an entire city or urban area/suburb with enough speed/precision to keep the outbreak contained. Military and self-trained individuals are a relatively small number of the people on this planet, your average office worker isn't going to be able to even operate a gun, let alone hold off a horde of zombies.
I agree that, at this point in the show, the survivors shouldn't have problems and should be more organized. However, the folks they took on from Woodbury were mostly the young and/or the elderly. These people had also grown to a comfortable life behind the walls of Woodbury, and were basically fodder, which is why you see the Main Characters being the only competent ones.
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Sounds good guys. Thanks for the recommend. I'll give WWZ a try. Also, good point about the Woodbury civilians. I just wish they'd take more steps to train those deadweight people into a useful force. I'm really surprised that Rick and Daryl and Glen seem to be doing nothing at this point except react while Carol's the only one actually trying to teach anyone. You'd think Daryl of all people would have started trying to create a militia.
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But a correction as my previous statement was incorrect. Not every young boy could do it. It was a special corps of 700 men in the army. But the army overall was quite proficient in the use of the sling, and I think it is fair to say that a hair and an entire head are two very different things. I have no doubt that the majority of the slingers could hit the head of a slow-moving, non-defending target like a zombie.
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On October 29 2013 05:54 Fulla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 05:34 Scorch wrote:
Can't anyone ever be reasonable on this show?
- Tyreese and Rick brawling for no reason at all and going way overboard
- Carol wasting the last bit of water in a fit of rage, then going outside on her own
- Hershel taking off his mask in the sick bay
Yes, I know people are under a lot of pressure, but you can't survive in the zombie apocalypse when you constantly fail to act rationally. It really pisses me off since it seems to me it's only included to add more drama when cold hard survival would be just as exciting. Nobody wears protective clothing in the show ever, walking around in sleeveless t-shirts fighting zombies is so beyond retarded. My point is I gave up on season 1, trying to rationalize characters decisions 
There are definitely some decisions that are difficult to rationalize, but its the least bit irrational to keep as light on clothes as possible. They're in Georgia mid-summer. You're just as dead from a single bite as you are from collapsing due to exhaustion mid-fight. The goal in fighting so many walkers is to confront as little as possible and keep moving, and all that armor would do is encumber them.
On October 30 2013 01:29 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:20 peawok wrote:On October 30 2013 01:12 Requizen wrote:
Alright, all the people who are saying "zombies aren't a real threat" or whatever, you're missing the point of zombies.
They're tireless. They feel no pain, they know no fear. They will come to you until you're dead or they are, no ifs, ands, or buts. While I try to write it off to suspension of disbelief, the only reason the survivors in the show have lasted this long is because of their magical headshotting abilities. Even discounting the strength it requires to crush a skull in one blow (which they all supernaturally seem to have), they would have died a long time ago, because shooting a small, moving target in a horrifying situation when you have little to no experience shooting is almost impossible.
Zombies are terrifying because, even if you manage to get 1 in 3 headshots, they will outnumber you. They will come in waves and swarms and overrun like the tide wearing away at the strongest beachhead.
And, what's more, the spread plays on people's compassion. Despite what you may say, most people (especially in early stages of outbreak) don't have the steel needed to shoot someone in the head. They don't have the capacity to leave the weak behind, to mutilate a corpse, to segregate their bitten loved ones.
Hospitals (as you've seen) become death traps. Impromptu military medical wards even moreso. The crowded streets of a city and the crammed hallways of buildings are ridden with the dead and stuffed to the brim with walking corpses.
So yes. Zombies are slow and weak and in a 1 on 1 fight never pose a threat, but there's a reason certain people have survived and 90% of the population are now desiccated corpses trying to eat them. I totally agree with the headshot capability. The strength however I can continue to suspend my disbelief, because those bodies may be severely decayed and therefore bones might be more brittle The worst part about that whole aspect of the show is that they're using KNIVES to do it. It doesn't make any sense. A knife is quite possibly the worst weapon possible for causing a lethal head wound. You could stab three, four zombies TOPS before the blade is completely ruined. Why all of them aren't armed with blunt force weapons like clubs and maces is completely beyond me. It takes more force to drive a knife through a skull than it does to drop a blackjack over the top of a zombie's head. Yet, everyone's using knives. Even Daryl. I guess it's coz knives make them look sexier and more Crocodile Dundee like.
Eh, we're not exactly sure where the lethal blow on the brain is for a walker. So I mean, it's possible that if the lethal area you have to strike to disable a walker (not a person mind you, a walker) is within the skull and is the brain itself, then yes, you can make the argument that a knife isn't ideal. But I mean, it's the property of a fictional mechanic in how walkers in the TWD are disabled, and to top it off, they never really explored in detail how a walker is actually sustained from whatever it is in their brain that controls them. Just that it happens after someone dies and it roots in the brain. The writers can, at any point, write an explanation why what they do works. You kind of have to suspend your disbelief in this regard.
Also I'm pretty sure they have an armory of various melee weapons. I could be wrong, but I don't recall characters using the same melee weapons throughout the series.
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