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On March 05 2013 00:47 Dosey wrote: Just got caught back up... but did anyone notice that when Hershel got up to yell at Rick in Episode 11, you could see his leg hanging behind him, shoe and all?
Talk about shitty production value...
Only if you're really looking for it. I honestly think it's amazing how much they do with pure prosthetics and makeup rather than making the whole thing in bad CGI.
Really looking for it? I was watching TWD, playing SC2, and browsing at the same time when I caught it....
The makeup is good, always has been. But everything else is shoddy at best.
On March 05 2013 00:47 Dosey wrote: Just got caught back up... but did anyone notice that when Hershel got up to yell at Rick in Episode 11, you could see his leg hanging behind him, shoe and all?
Talk about shitty production value...
Only if you're really looking for it. I honestly think it's amazing how much they do with pure prosthetics and makeup rather than making the whole thing in bad CGI.
Really looking for it? I was watching TWD, playing SC2, and browsing at the same time when I caught it....
The makeup is good, always has been. But everything else is shoddy at best.
=D well that is what happens when you have ~1,000 extras each needing 2 gallons of make up lol special effects budget gets ate up.
On March 05 2013 00:47 Dosey wrote: Just got caught back up... but did anyone notice that when Hershel got up to yell at Rick in Episode 11, you could see his leg hanging behind him, shoe and all?
Talk about shitty production value...
Only if you're really looking for it. I honestly think it's amazing how much they do with pure prosthetics and makeup rather than making the whole thing in bad CGI.
Really looking for it? I was watching TWD, playing SC2, and browsing at the same time when I caught it....
The makeup is good, always has been. But everything else is shoddy at best.
You should watch one of those videos pointing out errors like that one of these days. You have no idea what some shows (and films!) get away with. One of my favorites is from Firefly:
On March 05 2013 00:47 Dosey wrote: Just got caught back up... but did anyone notice that when Hershel got up to yell at Rick in Episode 11, you could see his leg hanging behind him, shoe and all?
Talk about shitty production value...
Only if you're really looking for it. I honestly think it's amazing how much they do with pure prosthetics and makeup rather than making the whole thing in bad CGI.
Really looking for it? I was watching TWD, playing SC2, and browsing at the same time when I caught it....
The makeup is good, always has been. But everything else is shoddy at best.
=D well that is what happens when you have ~1,000 extras each needing 2 gallons of make up lol special effects budget gets ate up.
There are actually three tiers of zombies. The first tier gets the full treatment - a lot of makeup and detail. Second tier gets some sexy dirt and blood painted on them (which probably isn't expensive at all). Third tier consists of zombies that are too far away to get a good look at, so they get little to no makeup.
I almost consider Morgan to be a walker himself now. He hasn't turned but he's pretty much dead in all other regards. Lost his mind. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they closed the loop on Morgan and we never heard of him again for the entire show. Though if we do hear of him again.. well I don't see how that would pan out.
Either way it was a nice episode all around. It's a shame they only come once a week.
Im surprised to see so many positive reactions because this episode was straight up filler. Morgan was never important (I guess people really liked his character tho) and this episode confirms it.
Filler episode with not a single bit of progress in terms of plot + used up a character they've previously set up for a pretty uninteresting one-off encounter... you'd think they would use him for something worthwhile since due to the nature of the show they have to bring in new characters pretty often but nope I guess.
On March 05 2013 02:17 Bowzar wrote: Im surprised to see so many positive reactions because this episode was straight up filler. Morgan was never important (I guess people really liked his character tho) and this episode confirms it.
Just because it's filler doesn't mean it doesn't have possibly the best writing of the season. I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw Morgan again, maybe just for one episode.
It also was sort of important for Rick as a character development episode. His depression has been overwhelming him, perhaps seeing someone who is broken down more/worse off in many ways will give him perspective. Him telling Michonne about his hallucinations is also a pretty big turning point, as he's trusting someone new and not bottling up. The end of the last episode was along those same lines, giving some command over to Herschel and Darryl.
All in all, not entirely filler, it just didn't progress Woodbury, which is kind of an ok plot as it is. It got more into the human side of TWD, which is pretty enjoyable for me.
I quite enjoyed this episode. Sure it was mostly filler with a little bit of Rick progress/Michonne working her way into the group. but it was also solidly written decent acting and just overall enjoyable to watch. I'd take and episode this over having to hear another pathetic speech by Andrea or the worlds worst angry mob in the history of the universe again....
On March 04 2013 22:58 dudeman001 wrote: Something I found interesting about this episode is that it could completely stand on its own. You could show this episode to anyone who hasn't been watching The Walking Dead and I bet they could still enjoy it. I feel like what this episode brings - characters struggling to cope, trust issues, remembering the past - are all more appealing to an audience than some over the top character like the Governor.
Yeah that's what I thought as well, especially at the end when they picked up the bag and perfectly ended the episode and left it with a great statement. And why not stop the storyline and focus on a trip? As long as the characters past is respected then that's pretty much a bonus for the audience. At least for me.
In all honesty all this cliffhanger and over the top story madness...it gave us the worst part of Lost. And while that might be what the general audience is interested in lets sit back and enjoy the fact that this is still a show with a relative niche subject that is still delivering by focusing on just one trip for once with a clear start & end and all of it's highs and lows in this world. Isn't that what anyone would want if there never was a Walking Dead? I for sure would.
So I started to watch the series recently and I havent caught up with the earlier episodes but why doesn't Rick just move everyone from the prison to where Morgan is? Wouldnt that make sense?
Pro's Governor won't know where they are if they all slowly slip out Defenses against zombies Plenty of guns and weapons Seems to be a steady supply of food
On March 05 2013 03:29 omfghi2u2 wrote: So I started to watch the series recently and I havent caught up with the earlier episodes but why doesn't Rick just move everyone from the prison to where Morgan is? Wouldnt that make sense?
Pro's Governor won't know where they are if they all slowly slip out Defenses against zombies Plenty of guns and weapons Seems to be a steady supply of food
Can someone clarify for this noob please? Thanks.
I believe they did discuss that in some recent episode, but Merle shot that down with saying that the Governor probably had every road and trail blocked/scouted, and I doubt the Governor would just leave the prison without having someone keeping watch or something
why are people complaining about lack of progression.
1) they got guns, now they have a better chance of fighting, they also apparently got some food (grocery bags loaded into the car at the end) 2) Michonne's importance /trust within the group has been solidified, the two leaders (carl and rick, yes carl) have fully bought in now. Michonne's also finally shown some line and softening up, makes her more integral to the group and not an outsider 3) Rick's sanity has been a problem this entire season, from his phone calls with his dead friends, to his hallucinations. People are doubting his ability to lead now, including his own son. Meeting Morgan helps progress this to show that if he continues to push people away, this is the dark road that is his future. This episode is the episode that snaps rick back, combined with Michonne tell him that she used to talk to her old boyfriend (zombie pet) and she saw things, and that it'll be fine, is reassuring to him that he can come back from this, something he wasn't sure of when he was screaming at Morgan that he can come back from this and Morgan said NO. Morgan has BECOME 'the walking dead' 4) More survivors exist, this random backpacker reassures us that there are OTHERS outside of just Woodbury and Rick's group, there's potential for more conflicts or allies, but right now it also served a purpose of showing just how far gone their group has come from the season1/2 group that welcomed people, although I think in the Talking Dead, they brought it up further. At the beginning of the episode, they definitely were a group that only cared for their own victory and bringing in a stranger/backpacker was not part of the plan. But after their encounter with Morgan, and the final scene of the episode, one can argue that maybe... humanity has been restored at least somewhat for these 3.
The overall arching 'progress' that people are missing or ignoring that happend this episode, was character progress, and a reunification of the humanity that Rick possessed when this all started. the "good" that he represented, has all been lost leading up to this episode, as punctuated by the way they treated the hiker at the beginning, and Morgan's character, the one who represented the good in humanity when this series all first started, was the same character who brought good back to Rick, and Carl's little adventure was a way of showing that even in this senseless world he's growing up in, he's still not only a kid, but he still has his humanity and isn't just a mindless killer. Also punctuated by Morgan when he apologized to him for shooting him. A 'killer' who has grown up in this terrible world, wouldn't feel 'bad' for shooting Morgan, but Carl showed that he still is, very much so, the son of Rick, someone who above all else, wants to do what's right.
How people can complain about this episode as 'filler' is beyond me. This episode was amazing on so many levels. You don't have to look very hard to see just how much this episode was important to the entire series. But hey, if it's not mass zombie killing, and the Governor being blatantly on the screen, it must be a filler episode.
On March 05 2013 03:29 omfghi2u2 wrote: So I started to watch the series recently and I havent caught up with the earlier episodes but why doesn't Rick just move everyone from the prison to where Morgan is? Wouldnt that make sense?
Pro's Governor won't know where they are if they all slowly slip out Defenses against zombies Plenty of guns and weapons Seems to be a steady supply of food
Can someone clarify for this noob please? Thanks.
It's a fail on the writing staff side. They brought in Morgan too soon.
Strange, didn't like this episode at first, then I watched it again and my opinion did a total 180. I was agitated that they didn't continue the plot with the governor after how dull the last episode was, but I learned to appreciate this episode for an entirely different reason.
I don't think you can really disregard this one as filler either, considering there's still the possibility Morgan comes to aid Rick after all. Even if that does not come to pass, this is very important on a character development level for both Michone and especially Rick.
I mean, Rick's been bordering on psychosis for the past few episodes after losing his wife and I don't think it's coincidence that he finally encounters Morgan again. If you think about it, Morgan parallels Rick more than anyone else in the series. Not to mention he's the first normal person Rick encounters post-outbreak in the very first episode, whom we haven't seen since then. Initially, Morgan represented hope to Rick, that maybe he found some refuge for himself and his son, that he found hope for civilization. Now, we see what little hope Rick has remaining evaporate in learning the progress of Morgan.
After all this time, Morgan still sadly parallels Rick, except he's even worse off. He's even more mentally unstable and has completely lost his family at this point. I think this is important, as though it further reinforces the terribly bleak world they live in, it's also a wake up call to Rick to cope for the good of the group and his son, because things could be worse. He's on the verge of becoming Morgan.
I also, really liked the final few minutes of the episode. Morgan's cold lines of, "don't ever be sorry" I interpret as how it's even more imperative to put survival over morality in this world. Which is nicely echoed in the last shot where they find the mutilated corpse of the hitchhiker they ignored earlier as well as the backpack they take.
On March 05 2013 03:44 Kazeyonoma wrote: why are people complaining about lack of progression.
1) they got guns, now they have a better chance of fighting, they also apparently got some food (grocery bags loaded into the car at the end) 2) Michonne's importance /trust within the group has been solidified, the two leaders (carl and rick, yes carl) have fully bought in now. Michonne's also finally shown some line and softening up, makes her more integral to the group and not an outsider 3) Rick's sanity has been a problem this entire season, from his phone calls with his dead friends, to his hallucinations. People are doubting his ability to lead now, including his own son. Meeting Morgan helps progress this to show that if he continues to push people away, this is the dark road that is his future. This episode is the episode that snaps rick back, combined with Michonne tell him that she used to talk to her old boyfriend (zombie pet) and she saw things, and that it'll be fine, is reassuring to him that he can come back from this, something he wasn't sure of when he was screaming at Morgan that he can come back from this and Morgan said NO. Morgan has BECOME 'the walking dead' 4) More survivors exist, this random backpacker reassures us that there are OTHERS outside of just Woodbury and Rick's group, there's potential for more conflicts or allies, but right now it also served a purpose of showing just how far gone their group has come from the season1/2 group that welcomed people, although I think in the Talking Dead, they brought it up further. At the beginning of the episode, they definitely were a group that only cared for their own victory and bringing in a stranger/backpacker was not part of the plan. But after their encounter with Morgan, and the final scene of the episode, one can argue that maybe... humanity has been restored at least somewhat for these 3.
The overall arching 'progress' that people are missing or ignoring that happend this episode, was character progress, and a reunification of the humanity that Rick possessed when this all started. the "good" that he represented, has all been lost leading up to this episode, as punctuated by the way they treated the hiker at the beginning, and Morgan's character, the one who represented the good in humanity when this series all first started, was the same character who brought good back to Rick, and Carl's little adventure was a way of showing that even in this senseless world he's growing up in, he's still not only a kid, but he still has his humanity and isn't just a mindless killer. Also punctuated by Morgan when he apologized to him for shooting him. A 'killer' who has grown up in this terrible world, wouldn't feel 'bad' for shooting Morgan, but Carl showed that he still is, very much so, the son of Rick, someone who above all else, wants to do what's right.
How people can complain about this episode as 'filler' is beyond me. This episode was amazing on so many levels. You don't have to look very hard to see just how much this episode was important to the entire series. But hey, if it's not mass zombie killing, and the Governor being blatantly on the screen, it must be a filler episode.
THIS! I believe this episode was extremely important to the characters involved. Michonne progressed as part of the group, Carl got to show some humanity, and Rick got to see what he will become if he doesn't snap out of it. This episode was actually one of my favorites, and even if you don't like it, I really dont see how you can make an arguement for no story progression :/.
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