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On March 06 2013 03:31 purecarnagge wrote:
how do you survive in the woods filled with zombies...backpacking it...
I think there are several options:
a) He actually was a backpacker/hiker and stayed far enough away from civilization when he heard about the outbreak - walkers naturally are where humans used to be. For this he'd need to be a really good hunter and know how and where to find food and water in the wild. There might be a reason why he started to come closer to formerly civilized regions just now (maybe he got sick just recently and tries to find medicine).
b) Just because he carries a backpack doesn't mean he is a "backpacker". He could've been with a group that just dissolved and didn't have enough/any cars, and the backpack happened to be a convenient means to carry his share of the supplies.
c) any number of scenarios, honestly, if you get past classifying him as a backpacker just because he looks like one judging from our (non-apocaylptic) perspective. His gear looked practical, in an apocalypse I'd certainly grab such a backpack if I hadn't access to a car. Coming to think of it, even if I had a car and lived in a safe place I'd always keep such a backpack around, you never know when you have to run in a moment's notice.
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Also regarding the backpacker, there was a sign at the beginning of the episode from Erin to someone telling him to try somewhere else. When the car got stuck the first zombie had a bracelet that said "Erin" on it so I assumed the backpacker was split from that group and then found them dead which was why he was so desperate.
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Yea, I don't understand why people are nitpicking at the backpacker so much... like there was someone saying zombies would clearly spot the huge orange backpack... I mean, do zombies even see colors?.
It was a great episode.
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On March 05 2013 23:10 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 22:34 ikagram wrote:
Sorry for stupid question, but is the game "The Walking Dead" based on this TV series? Yes and no. Same franchise, but the game is based on the comic books. The TV show is kinda like an alternate universe of the comic books.
The game's story has nothing to do with the comics...
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wtf is going on?
Rick just went back to his hometown and it took less than a day. So they've all been diddling around roughly one day radius from his hometown where he was a cop. And by being a cop he really should have done the prison thing early (clearly as a cop he was aware that there was a prison less than a days drive away) and known about the farm and the other town.
I might be just stupid but I thought that they were a long way away from his hometown.
Also why the hell did he go back for the guns now and not earlier if the guns were just there and so close?
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On March 05 2013 22:58 Appendix wrote:Are there any other promising zombie apocalypse TV-shows announced? Since the success of The Walking Dead and how a common perception of it is "the show that could have been", you'd think some other network would have caught on the trend. Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 22:34 ikagram wrote:
Sorry for stupid question, but is the game "The Walking Dead" based on this TV series? No it is a separate story, but with some similarities.
amazon is making a Zombieland-based series
source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/22/zombieland-tv-series-heading-to-amazon
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On March 06 2013 10:16 Noonius wrote:
wtf is going on?
Rick just went back to his hometown and it took less than a day. So they've all been diddling around roughly one day radius from his hometown where he was a cop. And by being a cop he really should have done the prison thing early (clearly as a cop he was aware that there was a prison less than a days drive away) and known about the farm and the other town.
I might be just stupid but I thought that they were a long way away from his hometown.
Also why the hell did he go back for the guns now and not earlier if the guns were just there and so close?
They never said it was a day away, it didn't show how long there was between this episode and the last. Also, there wasn't previously a need for more guns, since in the prison the only thing they had to worry about was the occasional walker during supply runs.
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On March 06 2013 10:16 Noonius wrote:
wtf is going on?
Rick just went back to his hometown and it took less than a day. So they've all been diddling around roughly one day radius from his hometown where he was a cop. And by being a cop he really should have done the prison thing early (clearly as a cop he was aware that there was a prison less than a days drive away) and known about the farm and the other town.
I might be just stupid but I thought that they were a long way away from his hometown.
Also why the hell did he go back for the guns now and not earlier if the guns were just there and so close?
no the issues in geography are pretty obvious, it's not just you - the biggest one being that if rick knows where morgan's compound area is situated and carl knows where their house was from there, how in the world was finding the prison a chance thing if you can cover the distance in a short drive? if that's not true and the prison is in fact far away and it's a long drive, that's a lot of driving and gasoline usage and zombies and potential people sightings that the opening to the last episode didn't cover. then again, once you go down this road, we get to how convenient morgan having a massive stockpile of guns is to the overall conFUCK IT I LIKED THIS EPISODE DON'T TAKE THIS FROM ME.
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On March 06 2013 10:16 Noonius wrote:
wtf is going on?
Rick just went back to his hometown and it took less than a day. So they've all been diddling around roughly one day radius from his hometown where he was a cop. And by being a cop he really should have done the prison thing early (clearly as a cop he was aware that there was a prison less than a days drive away) and known about the farm and the other town.
I might be just stupid but I thought that they were a long way away from his hometown.
Also why the hell did he go back for the guns now and not earlier if the guns were just there and so close?
The gap between the second and third season was something like 6-7 months (I think). It's possible they backtracked enough that they're within driving distance. But it's probably a plot hole, the series has a few. He must have been pretty far away for that radio not to work. Like many things in this show, might as well let it go.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
okay 1) it was an editing thing. We don't actually know how long they spent on the road (it could have been a day or 2)
2) Morgan got the guns from the police armory and used those to rob others of guns, ammo, supplies, etc. Rick was going back for the armory guns, and was not expecting to find Morgan and his stockpile.
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On March 06 2013 10:43 TheExile19 wrote:
... if you can cover the distance in a short drive
There's nothing that indicates the length of the drive so there's no reason to assume it was short.
if that's not true and the prison is in fact far away and it's a long drive, that's a lot of driving and gasoline usage and zombies and potential people sightings that the opening to the last episode didn't cover.
There is no reason to cover this; it's just useless filler that provides nothing. You're making assumptions about the group's current gasoline stock and the amount of people that should be wandering around nearly a year after the outbreak without providing any justification. They saw one guy wandering around and didn't stop for him. If they came across anyone else you can expect the same thing to happen, so there's no reason to show the same scene over and over.
...we get to how convenient morgan having a massive stockpile of guns is to the overall con...
Right, so instead they should spend 3-4 episodes scavenging for guns, right? Because spending all that time looking for a little girl was great.
Morgan had access to a decent number of weapons at the police station. Whenever he came across a group of people passing by, he'd jump them (like he did with Rick et al.) and take whatever weapons they had on them. When you consider how much time has passed it follows pretty easily that he'd be able to amass a considerable number of weapons.
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Also, the gap between season 2-3 they were walking for the most part, now that they have cars it's probably a lot quicker.
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- the fact that it's heavily implied they're being watched by the governor/there's a worry that they are doesn't indicate that they probably wouldn't want to go for insanely long supply runs? I think the odds of it being a short foray are much better than the alternative. again, they could write around this with barely a minute's work of exposition. (even though I will say it would probably make the episode less effective as a singular work with only the four characters)
- there were two new survivors introduced this episode, and yet one of them was markedly more dangerous than the other. if we're going to take the show's canon, that there's still the occasional person sighting at this point as evidenced by the crazy guy in the cabin next to woodbury and the hitchhiker, a 24+ hour drive would potentially bring you into contact with all sorts of situations.
- I don't respond to strawmen, so I'll let your silly season 2 quip pass. it's still conveniences on top of conveniences: he finds morgan, and morgan is not only a plot catharsis for rick's arc but also a plot device with a huge stockpile of guns. both of those story services together were a bit much for me, your mileage may vary. I still enjoyed the character work and the episode in a vacuum, but unfortunately the show's slackness in writing and apparently setting seeped in somewhat.
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Not particularly sure whether I did or didn't like that this episode revolved just around Rick, Michonne, and Carl and didn't have any showing of the other characters. With all that's been happening around the prison lately you'd imagine at least something of significance would happen at the prison while they're gone, especially with the length of time they were gone. Oh well.
Also, I think it was a pretty stupid idea of Ricks to not tie up Morgan, despite him knowing him. I mean Morgan was hostile towards you after seeing your face because he was shot, you think he's suddenly going to have an epiphany upon waking up and start talking about the good ole times? There's literally no sensible reason not to tie him up for safe measures. So naive.
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On March 06 2013 11:36 Grobyc wrote:
Not particularly sure whether I did or didn't like that this episode revolved just around Rick, Michonne, and Carl and didn't have any showing of the other characters. With all that's been happening around the prison lately you'd imagine at least something of significance would happen at the prison while they're gone, especially with the length of time they were gone. Oh well.
Also, I think it was a pretty stupid idea of Ricks to not tie up Morgan, despite him knowing him. I mean Morgan was hostile towards you after seeing your face because he was shot, you think he's suddenly going to have an epiphany upon waking up and start talking about the good ole times? There's literally no sensible reason not to tie him up for safe measures. So naive.
He did tie him up. Morgan had a secret knife under the bed and pretended to be unconscious and cut himself loose, then stabbed Rick with it.
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On March 06 2013 11:43 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:36 Grobyc wrote:
Not particularly sure whether I did or didn't like that this episode revolved just around Rick, Michonne, and Carl and didn't have any showing of the other characters. With all that's been happening around the prison lately you'd imagine at least something of significance would happen at the prison while they're gone, especially with the length of time they were gone. Oh well.
Also, I think it was a pretty stupid idea of Ricks to not tie up Morgan, despite him knowing him. I mean Morgan was hostile towards you after seeing your face because he was shot, you think he's suddenly going to have an epiphany upon waking up and start talking about the good ole times? There's literally no sensible reason not to tie him up for safe measures. So naive. He did tie him up. Morgan had a secret knife under the bed and pretended to be unconscious and cut himself loose, then stabbed Rick with it.
Ahhh okay nevermind then. Must have missed that.
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On March 06 2013 11:54 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:43 rd wrote:On March 06 2013 11:36 Grobyc wrote:
Not particularly sure whether I did or didn't like that this episode revolved just around Rick, Michonne, and Carl and didn't have any showing of the other characters. With all that's been happening around the prison lately you'd imagine at least something of significance would happen at the prison while they're gone, especially with the length of time they were gone. Oh well.
Also, I think it was a pretty stupid idea of Ricks to not tie up Morgan, despite him knowing him. I mean Morgan was hostile towards you after seeing your face because he was shot, you think he's suddenly going to have an epiphany upon waking up and start talking about the good ole times? There's literally no sensible reason not to tie him up for safe measures. So naive. He did tie him up. Morgan had a secret knife under the bed and pretended to be unconscious and cut himself loose, then stabbed Rick with it. Ahhh okay nevermind then. Must have missed that. While we're talking about rick getting stabbed... did that look fatal to anyone else? I know it missed the heart and kind of just got his shoulder but still it looked like it went at least 4 inches in. That's going to cause a ton of tissue injury and bleed a hell of a lot more than the small blood-stain on his shirt. He'd have to get that stitched up or it would probably get infected and not be able to close. Gotta let it go I guess... I'm not sure whether they'll drop it like it never happened or potentially play it up to as severe a wound as it actually was.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
He probably sutured it before bandaging.
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On March 06 2013 11:24 TheExile19 wrote:
- the fact that it's heavily implied they're being watched by the governor/there's a worry that they are doesn't indicate that they probably wouldn't want to go for insanely long supply runs? I think the odds of it being a short foray are much better than the alternative. again, they could write around this with barely a minute's work of exposition. (even though I will say it would probably make the episode less effective as a singular work with only the four characters)
Driving from northern to southern california and takes about 7-8 hours depending on how much traffic you hit in LA. Imagine how much farther you could go in a day when there is no traffic and no speed limits (yes I know the are obstructions in the road like zombies and overturned vehicles). When you consider this, it's safe to conclude that the prison is far enough away that they don't recognize the area (even for a police officer) but still close enough to their home that it doesn't take too long to drive back without needing the writers to spell it out because there are a handful of viewers not bright enough to piece it together. In short, a "one day radius" is a very large radius.
- there were two new survivors introduced this episode, and yet one of them was markedly more dangerous than the other. if we're going to take the show's canon, that there's still the occasional person sighting at this point as evidenced by the crazy guy in the cabin next to woodbury and the hitchhiker, a 24+ hour drive would potentially bring you into contact with all sorts of situations.
Again, you're making assumptions without justifying them. Why should they come into "contact with all sorts of situations." You already saw that they didn't stop for the hitchhiker, so why would they stop for anyone else? They have only one mission and that's to get guns. Taking detours to help other people when the governor could attack at any moment would be very stupid.
- I don't respond to strawmen, so I'll let your silly season 2 quip pass. it's still conveniences on top of conveniences: he finds morgan, and morgan is not only a plot catharsis for rick's arc but also a plot device with a huge stockpile of guns. both of those story services together were a bit much for me, your mileage may vary. I still enjoyed the character work and the episode in a vacuum, but unfortunately the show's slackness in writing and apparently setting seeped in somewhat.
Rick assumed there would still be some weapons left back at his police station and decided to start looking for weapons there. He couldn't find them so he decided to check out two more places where he thought guns could be located. Before reaching these two locations, he found the guns taken from the police station and obtained them in addition to a few more. There's is nothing problematic or too convenient about this. If something is a "bit much for [you]," then you should leave it at that rather than whine about how the show should align with your preferences.
You are the kind of viewer who will nitpick when any minor detail is not explicitly spelled out for you by the writers. Rather than trying to misconstrue this as "poor writing," you should figure out an explanation yourself. The worst kinds of shows are the ones that hold the viewers' hands during every single scene.
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On March 06 2013 11:59 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:54 Grobyc wrote:On March 06 2013 11:43 rd wrote:On March 06 2013 11:36 Grobyc wrote:
Not particularly sure whether I did or didn't like that this episode revolved just around Rick, Michonne, and Carl and didn't have any showing of the other characters. With all that's been happening around the prison lately you'd imagine at least something of significance would happen at the prison while they're gone, especially with the length of time they were gone. Oh well.
Also, I think it was a pretty stupid idea of Ricks to not tie up Morgan, despite him knowing him. I mean Morgan was hostile towards you after seeing your face because he was shot, you think he's suddenly going to have an epiphany upon waking up and start talking about the good ole times? There's literally no sensible reason not to tie him up for safe measures. So naive. He did tie him up. Morgan had a secret knife under the bed and pretended to be unconscious and cut himself loose, then stabbed Rick with it. Ahhh okay nevermind then. Must have missed that. While we're talking about rick getting stabbed... did that look fatal to anyone else? I know it missed the heart and kind of just got his shoulder but still it looked like it went at least 4 inches in. That's going to cause a ton of tissue injury and bleed a hell of a lot more than the small blood-stain on his shirt. He'd have to get that stitched up or it would probably get infected and not be able to close. Gotta let it go I guess... I'm not sure whether they'll drop it like it never happened or potentially play it up to as severe a wound as it actually was.
It's possible that when you're severely dehydrated like you would be during an apocalypse, you don't bleed as easily as you would regularly. This happens to people lost in the desert who get caught in cacti. Just a reason. I don't see anything too crazy about it. Adrenaline helps too.
About the "something happening at the prison thing", the governor still has to train about 30-40 people how to use guns, and that's not going to happen overnight.
No flaws this episode. Really enjoyed it a lot. Probably one of the best. ^^ May the rest of the series only improve from this point on. Most things were really, really spot on, and kinda cool. You guys wanted someone who "knew how to survive a zombie outbreak"? There's your guy, now stop thinking that every single character knows exactly how to deal with every single situation every single time.
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