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tofucake
Hyrule19144 Posts
So basically they decided not to show a dozen episodes of people driving. | ||
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pugowar
United States142 Posts
On March 06 2013 23:33 tofucake wrote: I'd like to point out that Rick's home town is 400 miles away from Atlanta: http://goo.gl/maps/YzZm1 So basically they decided not to show a dozen episodes of people driving. So did you complain in the first episode when rick rode a horse 400 miles to atlanta LOL - it is possible that the fictional town Rick lived in is close to the fictional atlanta in the show... Also on an aside - atlanta gets 14.5 hours of daylight in July - so if they left at dawn, the could have drove for 5 hours which could have covered (at 30 mph accounting for slow and fast portions 150 miles that they covered. That is a radius of 150 miles and I believe it is perfectly logical that Rcik doesnt know where every prision is within 150 miles from his hometown. He probably had heard of it. Do you think that doctors know where every hospital is (not have just heard of it but know exactly how to drive there) within a 150 mile radius? I dont think so - but I am probably wrong! | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
1. You can drive very far in ~4 hours in any direction. On a full tank of gas, since in Season 2 they've already mentioned siphoning gasoline from cars, you can probably drive about ~300 miles. It's not inconceivable since they drove an SUV that they simply off-roaded a lot of the blocked intersections. It's not inconceivable that they've travelled that far, or even more, and siphoned gas off-camera. It's literally nitpicking because there is a way it easily makes sense. And they could've just not thought about the prison being a good place to survive in, because they're not seasoned zombie hunters like you guys are. There's no evidence the hometown is nearby because we have zero evidence about how far they've travelled. 2. Even if they were to stay, they would be killed, regardless of how "tense the atmosphere" was. They need the guns. Perhaps when they come back everyone is dead. Well, does Michonne care? Does Rick truly care since he still has Carl, even though he never intended for his son to follow him? 3. @theotherguy, I get why you would think not having the conflict be focused on resources would make sense, but why does my interpretation not make exactly the same amount of sense? They were attacked. They have no idea what the danger is outside. They want revenge for their dead. 4. I'm sorry that you can't empathize with the Governor, because it is possible... 5. Your perspective can be built from multiple influences. You chose to ignore the Woodbury people's because you don't empathize with them. That's fine, but again, it is possible to empathize with them regardless of how bad you think the writing or production is. 6. The Governor may or may not have a backstory. And not knowing his backstory partly contributes to his backstory - what pushed him so far over the edge that he needed to collect trophy heads? We've established he's a shitty person now, but his actions - protecting Woodbury, intent, leadership, and craziness - point to a possibility that this is where Rick could end up. And the Governor's past is open-ended. Not sure if I missed anything. As long as it doesn't turn to mudtossing like he's starting to do then I'm fine with the debate. Beats me having to scream, "you can't expect people who don't know what zombies are, to know exactly what to do in a zombie apocalypse" like it was a 100 pages ago. On March 06 2013 23:47 pugowar wrote: So did you complain in the first episode when rick rode a horse 400 miles to atlanta LOL - it is possible that the fictional town Rick lived in is close to the fictional atlanta in the show... Also on an aside - atlanta gets 14.5 hours of daylight in July - so if they left at dawn, the could have drove for 5 hours which could have covered (at 30 mph accounting for slow and fast portions 150 miles that they covered. That is a radius of 150 miles and I believe it is perfectly logical that Rcik doesnt know where every prision is within 150 miles from his hometown. He probably had heard of it. Do you think that doctors know where every hospital is (not have just heard of it but know exactly how to drive there) within a 150 mile radius? I dont think so - but I am probably wrong! He drove at least half the way, passed by the base camp where Shane was when he made contact on the radio, and then his car died some time later and he found the horse siphoning for gas. Hey cool we're actually getting numbers. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19144 Posts
On March 06 2013 23:47 pugowar wrote: So did you complain in the first episode when rick rode a horse 400 miles to atlanta LOL - it is possible that the fictional town Rick lived in is close to the fictional atlanta in the show... Also on an aside - atlanta gets 14.5 hours of daylight in July - so if they left at dawn, the could have drove for 5 hours which could have covered (at 30 mph accounting for slow and fast portions 150 miles that they covered. That is a radius of 150 miles and I believe it is perfectly logical that Rcik doesnt know where every prision is within 150 miles from his hometown. He probably had heard of it. Do you think that doctors know where every hospital is (not have just heard of it but know exactly how to drive there) within a 150 mile radius? I dont think so - but I am probably wrong! No, I didn't. He also didn't ride 400 miles. He drove a good portion of the way. We don't know how many times he stopped to find gas, only that the last time he did he didn't find any. Then he walked for a while until he found the farm where the horse was. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On March 06 2013 23:33 tofucake wrote: I'd like to point out that Rick's home town is 400 miles away from Atlanta: http://goo.gl/maps/YzZm1 So basically they decided not to show a dozen episodes of people driving. That's comic book Rick. TV Rick comes from a ficitonal town called King's County, Georgia. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19144 Posts
On March 07 2013 00:12 LoLAdriankat wrote: That's comic book Rick. TV Rick comes from a ficitonal town called King's County, Georgia. Well then. Less than 400 miles away. Even still, it could be quite far. http://goo.gl/maps/J0dI5 for example. Georgia to Georgia still 366 miles. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On March 06 2013 23:47 Blisse wrote: My point isn't that the show doesn't have plot holes. My point is that exists a possibility that all of these plot holes actually make sense, and I've shown multiple interpretations against each of their arguments that make sense. However, they haven't proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that the story is broken. 1. You can drive very far in ~4 hours in any direction. On a full tank of gas, since in Season 2 they've already mentioned siphoning gasoline from cars, you can probably drive about ~300 miles. It's not inconceivable since they drove an SUV that they simply off-roaded a lot of the blocked intersections. It's not inconceivable that they've travelled that far, or even more, and siphoned gas off-camera. It's literally nitpicking because there is a way it easily makes sense. And they could've just not thought about the prison being a good place to survive in, because they're not seasoned zombie hunters like you guys are. There's no evidence the hometown is nearby because we have zero evidence about how far they've travelled. 2. Even if they were to stay, they would be killed, regardless of how "tense the atmosphere" was. They need the guns. Perhaps when they come back everyone is dead. Well, does Michonne care? Does Rick truly care since he still has Carl, even though he never intended for his son to follow him? 3. @theotherguy, I get why you would think not having the conflict be focused on resources would make sense, but why does my interpretation not make exactly the same amount of sense? They were attacked. They have no idea what the danger is outside. They want revenge for their dead. 4. I'm sorry that you can't empathize with the Governor, because it is possible... 5. Your perspective can be built from multiple influences. You chose to ignore the Woodbury people's because you don't empathize with them. That's fine, but again, it is possible to empathize with them regardless of how bad you think the writing or production is. 6. The Governor may or may not have a backstory. And not knowing his backstory partly contributes to his backstory - what pushed him so far over the edge that he needed to collect trophy heads? We've established he's a shitty person now, but his actions - protecting Woodbury, intent, leadership, and craziness - point to a possibility that this is where Rick could end up. And the Governor's past is open-ended. I was going to go point-by-point with these but they're almost all straight into character logic and "well, I can empathize with them, why can't you..." and I don't want to have to argue my way out of there just to tie it into where I think the writing should be taking these characters. as a small example, your question of "does rick care if his entire group dies?": maybe not, but the audience sure as fuck does and it would wreck his entire character in a non-salvageable way, so that's a painfully silly thing to conjecture. TWD is not a risky show in general, they're not going to burn that bridge and especially not in the middle of the RvG plotline. can you point to the obvious path that rick is going down to get to where the governor is? I mean foreshadowing, leads that are going up to it, anything. even when he's seeing dead people, aside from the tyreese incident which was more pitiful than menacing, he really looks like he'd be a pretty milquetoast crazy person. also rick's group is nothing like woodbury - glenn and daryl are waiting in the wings to take leadership if necessary - they're not as easily misled, etc. anyone else have a vision of theExile on Sunday night, turning off his phone, locking his door, not drinking so he doesn't need to pee, getting out a pad of paper and five pens, and starting to madly write down every little detail that is inconsistent in the tv show all the while muttering to himself "this will really rile up teamliquid" over and over again like gollum saying "my precioussssssssssss" Then immediately after the episode going to ihatethewalkingdeadshow.com to see what other haters are writing to refine and expand his "arguments"... Seriously - its a tv show - it is going to be inconsistent at times - there are going to be characters you don't like - there are going to be plotholes - every show has plotholes/inconsistencies Actually exile - what is your favorite show that is so perfect and has no glaring plotholes? 1) 10 minutes of typing about a tv show = gollum. WE HATES TWD. also notes are for tv critics. 2) breaking bad has almost zero plotholes and if there are any the rest of it is so good I couldn't care less. TWD doesn't have that luxury, especially in this half-season. | ||
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Grettin
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
I had gotten used to the idea that travelling quickly wasn't near so easy as a lot of highways have been clogged with cars and it always seemed to take them awhile to go places. I had also been operating under the assumption that they had left the hometown a long time ago and where nowhere near it. Yes cars can drive fast, but the show didn't leave me with the impression that they were a hop-skip and a jump from the hometown else I would've guessed they'd have returned to familiar haunts where they'd know the terrain a little better. Partially I'm not sure film gives the best representation of time or space- LotR's compresses incredibly where it looks like Gandalf rides to Orthanc in a couple days. Maybe there are better ways of demonstrating time and space I don't know. I'm sure explanations can given to explain it, but it did seem out of keeping with what the show was presenting before. (Even a little dialogue saying that the prison is near Rick's old stomping grounds would've been good.) It's only a minor thing for me as I shuttled it off to the side, but it did strike me as odd while watching it. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On March 07 2013 00:54 tofucake wrote: Well then. Less than 400 miles away. Even still, it could be quite far. http://goo.gl/maps/J0dI5 for example. Georgia to Georgia still 366 miles. It could also be really close. Your point about the size of Georgia proves nothing lol. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
"Woodbury, Georgia is a town 52 miles away from Atlanta, Georgia, and 30 miles from Fayetteville, with a pre-plague population of 1,102. In the Novel The Walking Dead: Rise of the Governor, it is mentioned there are "about sixty" members of the town. In "Walk With Me" it is said that there are 73 people. The town has a McDonald's, Wal-Mart, and an Arena where they held fights for entertainment.[1]" So we can safely assume that the prison is quite close to there, which it is since the prison being used is West Central Prison. Although we don't know the exact location of Rick's hometown since King's County, Georgia doesn't exist. It's in a day's driving distance of Atlanta. Prison to Atlanta http://i.imgur.com/O4ZZngh.png Woodbury to the prison http://i.imgur.com/0xaBdgQ.png The geography works so you can all stop bitching about it. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
to expand on your conclusion, if it's that it's a short drive then it begs the question of why rick shouldn't have known about the prison or shouldn't know about other places to go. the former brings up the baby and the latter brings up that they're a bunch of stoopids, but I'm okay with both of those answers so I feel that line of inquiry is pretty much done on my end. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
On March 07 2013 09:13 TheExile19 wrote: whether a far distance from the prison to ricktown, with logistical problems, or close with basic writing problems, we're still running into issues with how or why they'd just deflate tension by saying "oh, it's not that big a deal, just go for a drive even though last episode we were all in mortal fear of the governor and were about to shoot andrea out of paranoia". even a minute of setup at the beginning of the episode would have handled it - was there a back gate they could have driven out of? were they that desperate for guns? - but this last episode is completely insular. they wanted to get back to ricktown, and so they did. it's honestly a tiny plot hole/representation flaw in a show replete with bigger problems and I'm only arguing it because instead of admitting it exists and that nobody should really care because it led to the best episode of the season, people are saying it's totally fine even though to spend any thought on it being logical derails the structure of the episode immediately. to expand on your conclusion, if it's that it's a short drive then it begs the question of why rick shouldn't have known about the prison or shouldn't know about other places to go. the former brings up the baby and the latter brings up that they're a bunch of stoopids, but I'm okay with both of those answers so I feel that line of inquiry is pretty much done on my end. Oh no I completely agree with all of that. I was just getting tired of every post complaining about the geography. The plot holes are a whole different story. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19144 Posts
On March 07 2013 08:50 killa_robot wrote: It could also be really close. Your point about the size of Georgia proves nothing lol. My point wasn't "it's definitely farthest away" it's that arbitrarily picking 150 miles max range is stupid. | ||
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
Its a TV show, you guys do know zombies are not actually attacking right? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On March 07 2013 09:13 TheExile19 wrote: whether a far distance from the prison to ricktown, with logistical problems, or close with basic writing problems, we're still running into issues with how or why they'd just deflate tension by saying "oh, it's not that big a deal, just go for a drive even though last episode we were all in mortal fear of the governor and were about to shoot andrea out of paranoia". even a minute of setup at the beginning of the episode would have handled it - was there a back gate they could have driven out of? were they that desperate for guns? - but this last episode is completely insular. they wanted to get back to ricktown, and so they did. it's honestly a tiny plot hole/representation flaw in a show replete with bigger problems and I'm only arguing it because instead of admitting it exists and that nobody should really care because it led to the best episode of the season, people are saying it's totally fine even though to spend any thought on it being logical derails the structure of the episode immediately. to expand on your conclusion, if it's that it's a short drive then it begs the question of why rick shouldn't have known about the prison or shouldn't know about other places to go. the former brings up the baby and the latter brings up that they're a bunch of stoopids, but I'm okay with both of those answers so I feel that line of inquiry is pretty much done on my end. It's a plot hole. It exists. Nobody cares. Will you stop writing more paragraphs about this plot hole now? Pretty please? | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On March 07 2013 09:32 Conti wrote: It's a plot hole. It exists. Nobody cares. Will you stop writing more paragraphs about this plot hole now? Pretty please? a few people very clearly care about the subject, judging by the equally long posts I've read and responded to, and it is profoundly awkward when you leave me nothing to do but apologize for my good-faith participation in a thread. I also bolded a relevant statement from my last post regarding my participation in discussion about said plot hole. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On March 07 2013 09:38 TheExile19 wrote: a few people very clearly care about the subject, judging by the equally long posts I've read and responded to, and it is profoundly awkward when you leave me nothing to do but apologize for my good-faith participation in a thread. I also bolded a relevant statement from my last post regarding my participation in discussion about said plot hole. No apology was requested. There will always be people who will argue against you on the internet. You are never, ever going to convince everyone, no matter how (objectively or subjectively) right you are. Endlessly arguing with absolutely everyone is exactly the wrong thing to do, and it only lowers the quality of the entire thread for everyone else. Besides, there are far more glaring things to criticize in the show than how far away Rick's home town is. And maybe, just maybe, we could sometimes focus on the positive and discuss everything that's awesome with the show, too. It's a TV show. It's far from perfect. We all know that. | ||
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
On March 06 2013 23:47 Blisse wrote: 3. @theotherguy, I get why you would think not having the conflict be focused on resources would make sense, but why does my interpretation not make exactly the same amount of sense? They were attacked. They have no idea what the danger is outside. They want revenge for their dead. Because it doesn't make any sense, even less if they don't know who the enemy is. For example, the mother with an asthmathic son. Does her reaction look reasonable to you when they are about to enlist him? The governor surrounds himself with men like Merle and Martinez, people you'd have to be autistic not to catch on that they're violent sociopaths. Yet she just stands there quiet when they want to send him out to fight over a cause not totally clear to her. If they are supposed to be this helpless, weak-willed bunch you'd expect them to go hide in a corner, not willingly go fight the unknown. Also about Ricks decision to fight Woodbury is like being lost in the wilderness and decide to manfight a bear because you think its cave seems like a good shelter. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
doesn't gasoline go bad after X amount of time? | ||
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