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On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules.
You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency.
And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail.
As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened.
The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated.
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On August 23 2018 00:33 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules. You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency. And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail. As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened. The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated.
Esports careers can be over in the blink of an eye. Why should fly, pajkatt or cr1t avoid opportunities to play with some of the best players in the world just to play with young EU guys? That is not their responsibility.
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Excited for the upperbracket stuff. EG vs OG for the drama and LGD vs Liquid well for probably the best series of the upperbrackets possibly
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On August 23 2018 00:51 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:33 nojok wrote:On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules. You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency. And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail. As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened. The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated. Esports careers can be over in the blink of an eye. Why should fly, pajkatt or cr1t avoid opportunities to play with some of the best players in the world just to play with young EU guys? That is not their responsibility.
That's exactly the point, there is no incentive when you can just go to an easy qualifier as dracolich pointed.
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On August 23 2018 00:59 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 23 2018 00:33 nojok wrote:On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules. You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency. And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail. As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened. The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated. Esports careers can be over in the blink of an eye. Why should fly, pajkatt or cr1t avoid opportunities to play with some of the best players in the world just to play with young EU guys? That is not their responsibility. That's exactly the point, there is no incentive when you can just go to an easy qualifier as dracolich pointed.
Yes the EU qualifier was so difficult that OG dropped a whole 2 games the entire time. And the team that finished second in that qualifier had 4 non EU players.... And they were the only team to take any games off OG. The EU qualifier wasn't anything special. Certainly not cut throat.
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On August 22 2018 23:57 plasmidghost wrote:
Will we finally see a series go to three games today? I hope so
This is the real question of the day.
Secret should 2-0 Vici (although they went 1-1 in groups), and EG should 2-0 OG. Maybe LGD vs Liquid, I'm about 50/50 whether Liquid will win 2-0 or 2-1. I think the most likely to go to 3 games is Winstrike/VGJ since VGJ hasn't been looking as hot the last few days and Winstrike seems like they have some momentum now. I'm gonna say VGJ 2-1 Winstrike.
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On August 23 2018 01:23 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:59 nojok wrote:On August 23 2018 00:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 23 2018 00:33 nojok wrote:On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules. You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency. And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail. As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened. The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated. Esports careers can be over in the blink of an eye. Why should fly, pajkatt or cr1t avoid opportunities to play with some of the best players in the world just to play with young EU guys? That is not their responsibility. That's exactly the point, there is no incentive when you can just go to an easy qualifier as dracolich pointed. Yes the EU qualifier was so difficult that OG dropped a whole 2 games the entire time. And the team that finished second in that qualifier had 4 non EU players.... And they were the only team to take any games off OG. The EU qualifier wasn't anything special. Certainly not cut throat.
but that, again, is kind of the point.
Say there's no serious second European team after OG (and Liquid + Secret), because everyone who has a legit chance would be stupid to try and qualify in EU (with only 1 slot and OG, a top6 team at TI right now, also running for that 1 slot).
Let's for a second say, just to make an example, EG is half EU, half US and as such could choose themselves where to run through open quals. Not that nationality matters in the first place but just to make that example. Of course you're not going to pick the place that only has 1 slot, you're going to go through the quals that have 3 slots. And everyone else who has a shot at it would think the same.
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On August 23 2018 01:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 01:23 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 23 2018 00:59 nojok wrote:On August 23 2018 00:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 23 2018 00:33 nojok wrote:On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules. You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency. And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail. As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened. The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated. Esports careers can be over in the blink of an eye. Why should fly, pajkatt or cr1t avoid opportunities to play with some of the best players in the world just to play with young EU guys? That is not their responsibility. That's exactly the point, there is no incentive when you can just go to an easy qualifier as dracolich pointed. Yes the EU qualifier was so difficult that OG dropped a whole 2 games the entire time. And the team that finished second in that qualifier had 4 non EU players.... And they were the only team to take any games off OG. The EU qualifier wasn't anything special. Certainly not cut throat. but that, again, is kind of the point. Say there's no serious second European team after OG (and Liquid + Secret), because everyone who has a legit chance would be stupid to try and qualify in EU (with only 1 slot and OG, a top6 team at TI right now, also running for that 1 slot). Let's for a second say, just to make an example, EG is half EU, half US and as such could choose themselves where to run through open quals. Not that nationality matters in the first place but just to make that example. Of course you're not going to pick the place that only has 1 slot, you're going to go through the quals that have 3 slots. And everyone else who has a shot at it would think the same.
So they make the qualifiers 2 and 2 and then you get the same result because then one of the "NA" teams plays the EU quals and it works out the exact same way....
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Kind of hope for at least a game 3 today.
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On August 23 2018 00:33 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:07 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules. You're so wrong, dota location is not about passport, it's about the server with a good latency. And indeed, we see the result of the rules, half of the NA players are actually EU players who went for the easy qualifier. But it's not healthy for the actual EU scene because dota is a game of experience and skilled players still need a good mentor to make a succesful transition to the pro scene, like kuro did with jerax, MC and matu or fly/notail with miracle and ana, ppd/fear with RTZ and sumail. As dracolich said, if the EU/CIS scene was rewarded with more slots when it was a cut throat qualifier, it would have helped to spot the younger talents to be picked by the experienced leader like fly, pajkatt or cr1t. But it was all lost because it became much easier to just cross the Atlantic and earn an easy spot and the link between veterans and newcomers is now very weakened. The Chinese scene is not at its best but it's because it used to be a very closed pro scene with the same players shuffling their line ups again and again. Now that they've eventually added more newcomers, I'm sure they will have better results once the good ones are spotted and properly integrated. Exactly.
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just a quick realization .. EG or OG is guaranteed top3. guess noone will hold any grudges after TI after all
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lmao nahaz got reeeeeeeeeeekt hahaha
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On August 23 2018 02:13 Sloke wrote:
just a quick realization .. EG or OG is guaranteed top3. guess noone will hold any grudges after TI after all
Both Fly & Notail both secured their highest placement ever.
DK is ganking Invoker....
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much better kisser than tobi LOL
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On August 23 2018 02:21 lxginverse wrote:
much better kisser than tobi LOL
while said dog is humping another dog lol
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Every event is improved with doggos.
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EPT
