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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Vici Gaming Storm vs Team WinstrikeVici Gaming Storm Win (17) 68% Team Winstrike Win (8) 32% 25 total votes Your vote: Vici Gaming Storm vs Team Winstrike (Vote): Vici Gaming Storm Win
(Vote): Team Winstrike Win
Poll: Team Secret vs Vici GamingTeam Secret Win (16) 59% Vici Gaming Win (11) 41% 27 total votes Your vote: Team Secret vs Vici Gaming (Vote): Team Secret Win
(Vote): Vici Gaming Win
Poll: Team Liquid vs PSG LGDTeam Liquid Win (21) 70% PSG LGD Win (9) 30% 30 total votes Your vote: Team Liquid vs PSG LGD (Vote): Team Liquid Win
(Vote): PSG LGD Win
Poll: OG vs Evil GeniusesOG Win (23) 58% Evil Geniuses Win (17) 43% 40 total votes Your vote: OG vs Evil Geniuses (Vote): OG Win
(Vote): Evil Geniuses Win
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This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
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On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
What I'm hearing is that the funniest (and thus most desirable) finale would be a CN vs CN grand finals.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Liquid please defend the title !
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On August 22 2018 20:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
What I'm hearing is that the funniest (and thus most desirable) finale would be a CN vs CN grand finals.
Disagree can come up with more funny finals.
Winstrike vs any other team and windstrike wins.
OG vs EG and N0tails switch to carry again and wins them the game.
Storm vs EG and Sumail gets wiped by his younger brother.
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Oh liquid is in the 3rd series, I've not managed to make it this late into the night yet. Rooting for some quick 2 0 stomps in the first series, it's the theme of the year anyway.
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On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 4 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 5th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede.
I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene.
In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed.
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On August 22 2018 22:24 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 3 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 4th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede. I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene. In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed.
Sad part is that EU scene has more players that are ready for pro scene but each year there are less and less EU orgs that have money to support dota teams. Right now there are only OG and Secret that have good dota teams with some potential of prosperity and funnily enough both are player owned (I don't consider Liquid fully EU org, all other teams are from NA and half of the org is NA). NA will continue to get the best EU players and I doubt EU players that play in NA orgs would rather play in EU in a current situation.
Also i feel like CN needs 5 slots to keep that scene alive, given that dota is losing popularity in china, but i would agree that CIS region gets fucked over every year, which is sad for the scene with such big player pool.
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On August 22 2018 22:54 Kometijanac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 22:24 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 3 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 4th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede. I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene. In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed. Sad part is that EU scene has more players that are ready for pro scene but each year there are less and less EU orgs that have money to support dota teams. Right now there are only OG and Secret that have good dota teams with some potential of prosperity and funnily enough both are player owned (I don't consider Liquid fully EU org, all other teams are from NA and half of the org is NA). NA will continue to get the best EU players and I doubt EU players that play in NA orgs would rather play in EU in a current situation. Also i feel like CN needs 5 slots to keep that scene alive, given that dota is losing popularity in china, but i would agree that CIS region gets fucked over every year, which is sad for the scene with such big player pool.
... Liquid isn't European? Lol?
Europe's problem is that the dominant teams are too dominant. Very few games played with the lower tiers of teams, which is both demotivating and detrimental to learning for these teams. This changes in the next season with no direct invites for majors.
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On August 22 2018 22:54 Kometijanac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 22:24 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 3 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 4th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede. I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene. In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed. Sad part is that EU scene has more players that are ready for pro scene but each year there are less and less EU orgs that have money to support dota teams. Right now there are only OG and Secret that have good dota teams with some potential of prosperity and funnily enough both are player owned (I don't consider Liquid fully EU org, all other teams are from NA and half of the org is NA). NA will continue to get the best EU players and I doubt EU players that play in NA orgs would rather play in EU in a current situation. Also i feel like CN needs 5 slots to keep that scene alive, given that dota is losing popularity in china, but i would agree that CIS region gets fucked over every year, which is sad for the scene with such big player pool. The lack of European organisations are related to the continuous attempts to make less thriving scenes prosper, hence by that focus the former suffocate. There were several European orgs, but they all died or left the scene. When players have only a slight chance to make it, because their scene is unjustly funnelled, it hurts the scene's foundation to prosper, leaving the best players leave for pastures that are catered to, and same goes for the organisations. CIS and EU were always the most prosperous ones, and they were deeply neglected to cater to other regions.
If China needs continuously favorable conditions to thrive, it is not a very fruitful priority - well, unless ValvE feels it is more profitable to suffocate more fruitful scenes. I am doubtful it has been a good priority to do so consistently.
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On August 22 2018 23:28 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 22:54 Kometijanac wrote:On August 22 2018 22:24 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 3 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 4th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede. I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene. In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed. Sad part is that EU scene has more players that are ready for pro scene but each year there are less and less EU orgs that have money to support dota teams. Right now there are only OG and Secret that have good dota teams with some potential of prosperity and funnily enough both are player owned (I don't consider Liquid fully EU org, all other teams are from NA and half of the org is NA). NA will continue to get the best EU players and I doubt EU players that play in NA orgs would rather play in EU in a current situation. Also i feel like CN needs 5 slots to keep that scene alive, given that dota is losing popularity in china, but i would agree that CIS region gets fucked over every year, which is sad for the scene with such big player pool. ... Liquid isn't European? Lol? Europe's problem is that the dominant teams are too dominant. Very few games played with the lower tiers of teams, which is both demotivating and detrimental to learning for these teams. This changes in the next season with no direct invites for majors. Well, TL is considered a European team. The organisation was purchased by an American investor, which perhaps explains the vast abundance of ex-NADota residents filling roles, thus explains the general bias on here, but that is perhaps an argument for another day. They have at large European players, and qualify as an EU team, and that is what ultimately matters. It was harder to spot, when they were an all-American team.
You are only focusing on the consequence. Needless to say, if only a few spots are available, the same orgs stay strong, and can attract the best players to stay on top, and the lesser players are more easily discouraged. It is true about the lesser tiers, but that was also something ValvE chose to suffocate, as the stronger teams no longer participated, as they had better options to prosper.
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On August 22 2018 23:59 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 23:28 haxhax wrote:On August 22 2018 22:54 Kometijanac wrote:On August 22 2018 22:24 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 3 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 4th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede. I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene. In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed. Sad part is that EU scene has more players that are ready for pro scene but each year there are less and less EU orgs that have money to support dota teams. Right now there are only OG and Secret that have good dota teams with some potential of prosperity and funnily enough both are player owned (I don't consider Liquid fully EU org, all other teams are from NA and half of the org is NA). NA will continue to get the best EU players and I doubt EU players that play in NA orgs would rather play in EU in a current situation. Also i feel like CN needs 5 slots to keep that scene alive, given that dota is losing popularity in china, but i would agree that CIS region gets fucked over every year, which is sad for the scene with such big player pool. ... Liquid isn't European? Lol? Europe's problem is that the dominant teams are too dominant. Very few games played with the lower tiers of teams, which is both demotivating and detrimental to learning for these teams. This changes in the next season with no direct invites for majors. Well, TL is considered a European team. The organisation was purchased by an American investor, which perhaps explains the vast abundance of ex-NADota residents filling roles, thus explains the general bias on here, but that is perhaps an argument for another day.
And VGJ.storm is owned by a Chinese company..
And EG is owned by the players, none of which are American..
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Liquid carry miracle is not westerner
VGS carry Yawar is not westerner
Secret carry Midone is not westerner
EG carry sumail is not westerner
OG carry Ana is not westerner
So why are we so concerned about how many slots given to any region? The rules was set before the TI, so juz follow the rules.
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Man you're just antagonising people for no obvious reason here. Can you maybe stop?
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vgjstorm 2-0
secret
lgd
eg 2-0
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On August 23 2018 00:07 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2018 23:59 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 22 2018 23:28 haxhax wrote:On August 22 2018 22:54 Kometijanac wrote:On August 22 2018 22:24 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 22 2018 20:14 Sapaio wrote:
This is around half way of tournament.
And 3/3 EU teams are still here, 2/2 CiS teams are still here, 3/3 NA teams isn't bad. But 2/5 China teams and then all SEA and SA teams are out.
ValvE probably made a mistake giving China 2 Qualifier slots, and only one to CIS, in the light that 3 Chinese teams were in Top 8 ranking, while the 4th were 18th. Valve have always preferred giving slots to China in abundance, even if their general results were lackluster. They'd rather have 5 Chinese teams and that has been their norm, regardless of what happens. Not very fair, it is not very easy to make it as an CIS given their slots are very few to prove they are better. CIS just have to keep grinding and build more consistent results, and they have to concede. I think NA were given a lot at the expense of EU, due to some of the best Europeans plays for NA teams, thus hurting EU scene. In general I don't think ValvE has done a very good job at cultivating thriving scenes. And probably one of the reasons why DotA 2 never became as big as it seemed. Sad part is that EU scene has more players that are ready for pro scene but each year there are less and less EU orgs that have money to support dota teams. Right now there are only OG and Secret that have good dota teams with some potential of prosperity and funnily enough both are player owned (I don't consider Liquid fully EU org, all other teams are from NA and half of the org is NA). NA will continue to get the best EU players and I doubt EU players that play in NA orgs would rather play in EU in a current situation. Also i feel like CN needs 5 slots to keep that scene alive, given that dota is losing popularity in china, but i would agree that CIS region gets fucked over every year, which is sad for the scene with such big player pool. ... Liquid isn't European? Lol? Europe's problem is that the dominant teams are too dominant. Very few games played with the lower tiers of teams, which is both demotivating and detrimental to learning for these teams. This changes in the next season with no direct invites for majors. Well, TL is considered a European team. The organisation was purchased by an American investor, which perhaps explains the vast abundance of ex-NADota residents filling roles, thus explains the general bias on here, but that is perhaps an argument for another day. And VGJ.storm is owned by a Chinese company.. And EG is owned by the players, none of which are American.. Not sure what you argument is. Are you arguing against yourself now?
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