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[MDL] 2018 Changsha Major - Playoffs Day 1 - Page 2

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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 16 2018 08:10 GMT
#21
Appears everyone has adapted to VG's strategic approach after the group stage. This should be interesting.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
May 16 2018 08:11 GMT
#22
On May 16 2018 16:20 Vertical wrote:
Valve compendium prediction website is so freaking amateur.
last night it listed Mineski vs VGJS which is wrong and funnily 3rd party web Liquidpedia shows correctly
and now it's showing Mineski vs Mineski for next match
WTF VALVE ?!


That sounds like an anime, you have to overcome your self to evolve. Seen it a couple of times, lol.

Funny with NA caster that talk shit about European teams and players (Ace) and then have to eat there words. Really find it strange that they say Reso is a better one against one player than Ace. If you look at how good Ace has been this year and see Reso at OG and other teams.
GO OG
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 16 2018 08:20 GMT
#23
I always thought personally Ace is way better than Reso this "season" as the basis. I also thought that VGJs were getting the short end when they replaced Timado with Reso because Reso is the greedy core who plays specific hard carry cores and needs alot of farm to be able to play, then even with said farm he still makes mistakes. With Yawar on VGJs they don't need that kind of player because Yawar is a great 1 anyway, but i guess they told him that if he joins he has to play what SVGesus gives him as Yawar always gets prio farm/hero which is good.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 16 2018 08:28 GMT
#24
On May 16 2018 17:20 Pandemona wrote:
I always thought personally Ace is way better than Reso this "season" as the basis. I also thought that VGJs were getting the short end when they replaced Timado with Reso because Reso is the greedy core who plays specific hard carry cores and needs alot of farm to be able to play, then even with said farm he still makes mistakes. With Yawar on VGJs they don't need that kind of player because Yawar is a great 1 anyway, but i guess they told him that if he joins he has to play what SVGesus gives him as Yawar always gets prio farm/hero which is good.


Reso, at this point in his career, is a solid, greedy pos 1 player, while everyone else on VGJ.Storm is technically still unproven. They're going to end up playing around him whether they wanted to or not, as he simply has the experience to dictate how you win things.

The issue for VGJ.Storm is going to be that the scene, at the high level, does know how to deal with Reso-based squads, so there is now a lot of games to see how they operate.They have to keep the momentum up to get through TI qualifiers, as they're going to need it.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
May 16 2018 08:41 GMT
#25
NA pro teams play greed playstyles best the past few years, due to the influence of EG players.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
May 16 2018 08:44 GMT
#26
This doom is literally unavailable at this point of the game with wisp and wyvern.

Those 2 support heroes will synergise well with DP mid game too. Pretty solid draft
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 08:48:49
May 16 2018 08:47 GMT
#27
Right now in this game Yawar is wasted on this DP as he is not a mid player, he failed at mid when he "tried" to make it, but on position 1 guy knows what he is doing thus VGJs are a useful team!

And Yawar struggling on DP and Reso is miles away from doing anything with this slark.

Wait why is puppey level 5 at minute 17 xD
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 16 2018 08:49 GMT
#28
On May 16 2018 17:44 babysimba wrote:
This doom is literally unavailable at this point of the game with wisp and wyvern.

Those 2 support heroes will synergise well with DP mid game too. Pretty solid draft


The Doom + WW is really what makes the draft. You just can't fight into the ability to remove 2 cores from a fight for 4+ seconds. The carry doesn't matter much in this situation.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
May 16 2018 08:51 GMT
#29
Still think VGJ.S can end the game once doom completes his crimson. I doubt spectre is actually that useful against a 5 man deathball.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 16 2018 08:51 GMT
#30
On May 16 2018 17:47 Pandemona wrote:
Right now in this game Yawar is wasted on this DP as he is not a mid player, he failed at mid when he "tried" to make it, but on position 1 guy knows what he is doing thus VGJs are a useful team!

And Yawar struggling on DP and Reso is miles away from doing anything with this slark.

Wait why is puppey level 5 at minute 17 xD


This draft is one of those signs that SVG worked with ppd for a year. I'd normally call this a "ppd special", but ppd isn't in this tournament. It doesn't really matter what cores Storm is running, the wisp + doom + WW combo is going to be almost unbreakable, unless Secret is ahead by 20k+.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 16 2018 08:57 GMT
#31
Fata just RP'd heroes to their shrine.

Yeah, this game is probably over.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 16 2018 08:57 GMT
#32
3 man sick rp, but he had a clockwork, jakiro as the only players closeby...Fata please xD
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 09:00:35
May 16 2018 09:00 GMT
#33
Danglers and Tanglers, the adventures of Rom (Grant) and Quark (Kyle) as they attempt to understand human metaphors - featuring BSJ.

Meanwhile, Secret have a real lack of killing power.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
May 16 2018 09:03 GMT
#34
I'm surprised doom isn't getting 100% ban rate at this point
550
Profile Joined April 2018
418 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-16 09:10:26
May 16 2018 09:07 GMT
#35
one of the caster with that sore throat voice

+the prolonged mood of the conversation

duno i get kinda bored for some reason

probably not a caster thing though maybe this tanky tanky thing n the nature of this game and all that

edit: whoop OK nevermind, game ended, i thought it was gonna be a hopeless def affair

edit2: btw that game was 100% mistake on puppey though
i dont agree much with the popular opinion of him drafting throw picks often, but this one, this one is a blunder
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 16 2018 09:09 GMT
#36
is VGJS the new DC

Resolution remains a fucking sick player

Also that Doom in reminds me exactly of the Doom in Keen vs EG (?). 2.6k HP Pipe Crimson can't fucking die ever ever ever.
WriterXiao8~~
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 16 2018 09:09 GMT
#37
boring game but this is probably the best 3 caster in a while.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
May 16 2018 09:11 GMT
#38
Icefrog made the doom +1 armor comic real.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
May 16 2018 09:13 GMT
#39
On May 16 2018 18:09 rabidch wrote:
boring game but this is probably the best 3 caster in a while.

they're all kinda insufferable on their own but as a unit they're absolutely hysterical. they've honestly made this tournament really worth watching for me.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 16 2018 09:14 GMT
#40
On May 16 2018 18:09 Kipsate wrote:
is VGJS the new DC

Resolution remains a fucking sick player

Also that Doom in reminds me exactly of the Doom in Keen vs EG (?). 2.6k HP Pipe Crimson can't fucking die ever ever ever.


It's the same approach. The WW is also borrowing something Keen did. The strategy was built around Doom, which Wisp + WW make nearly impossible to break.

Puppey got outdrafted in the first phase, all Storm needed was a carry and some tower push to win.

Now we'll see if Puppey either takes or bans the doom, or he makes the exact same error as he did in Thailand.
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