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Teams!Fixtures![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/vgj_storm.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/og.png) Wednesday, May 16 5:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/mineski.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/tnc.png) Wednesday, May 16 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/secret_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Nixer/other/tba_white.png) Wednesday, May 16 12:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/vg.png) ResultsCSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: MDL | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Poll: OG vs Vici Gaming Storm Vici Gaming Storm Win (11) OG Win (4) 15 total votes Your vote: OG vs Vici Gaming Storm Poll: TNC vs Mineski Mineski Win (14) TNC Win (10) 24 total votes Your vote: TNC vs Mineski | ||
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arghyad1
India243 Posts
The lower half of the upper bracket is really interesting with Vici, Mineski and TNC fighting for a place in upper bracket final. In the upper half, Secret should be the expected team to make it to the UB finals, but both OG and VGJ.Storm can upset them. I am hoping 1 SEA team beats Vici Gaming today and make it to upper bracket finals (preferrably TNC as they need the points a lot more more than Mineski). If I am correct, TNC winning today might give us Mineski vs LGD elimination series as early as Lower bracket round 2. I like the way this tournament shaped up. The format is pretty good, but the only thing I disliked is the tie-breaker rule. If you only see number of 2-0 wins I don't think its fair, because among teams having equal points, the team that has higher 2-0 wins should also have higher 0-2 losses. I think they should have just looked at head to head, and after that results against lower teams and then results against higher teams. This tiebreaker rule did hurt Invictus Gaming a lot. Also I am quite surprised no tournament ever implemented the difference in networth calculation as a criteria to decide the better team for tiebreakers (I am sure this method will also have lots of negative points, but still better than this 2-0 win rule according to me). | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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calh
537 Posts
Personally it appears to me that the more frequent changes to the meta have left the Chinese scene gradually lagging behind. Every once in a while they have a flash of brilliance and show up (usually at TI), but the days when DK, iG, VG etc took turns dominating international events seem so far back. Now it's the reverse with Chinese teams struggling to defend their home turf. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
The real problem for China is finding a team that's good enough to actually win TI. LGD's the only team I currently think of as a serious contender. VG are good, but I have trouble believing they're good enough. I love Lanm, but I don't think they're even in the same realm as LGD in terms of individual skill. Newbee's underperforming horribly and even at their best they were always the gatekeeper team (beat everyone who's not world-class, lose to the world-class teams). VG.j... I have a lot of faith in ddc disruptor, but... Since this is a Chinese TI year though, Keen's obviously going to come out of nowhere and pummel everyone. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On May 16 2018 11:54 Nevuk wrote: It's easier now since root stops ult... but it still should never happen It is much easier now but static remnant completely owns the flame guard which is the only thing that allows ember to trade. Seb probably feels so bad for losing that. | ||
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LennX
4554 Posts
 Reso double rampageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | ||
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
On May 16 2018 11:58 Spicy_Curry wrote: It is much easier now but static remnant completely owns the flame guard which is the only thing that allows ember to trade. Seb probably feels so bad for losing that. yawar took a point in sleight to dodge remnants | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On May 16 2018 13:05 Thermia wrote: nobrain was left reso was right? yawar took a point in sleight to dodge remnants Everyone goes 1 point in SoF against storm. You still lose. CD is 3.5 seconds on remnant and you have a faerie fire. SoF is required to solo kill storm at 6 unless he lets you walk up to him. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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LennX
4554 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
last night it listed Mineski vs VGJS which is wrong and funnily 3rd party web Liquidpedia shows correctly and now it's showing Mineski vs Mineski for next match WTF VALVE ?! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On May 16 2018 16:20 Vertical wrote: Valve compendium prediction website is so freaking amateur. last night it listed Mineski vs VGJS which is wrong and funnily 3rd party web Liquidpedia shows correctly and now it's showing Mineski vs Mineski for next match WTF VALVE ?! That sounds like an anime, you have to overcome your self to evolve. Seen it a couple of times, lol. Funny with NA caster that talk shit about European teams and players (Ace) and then have to eat there words. Really find it strange that they say Reso is a better one against one player than Ace. If you look at how good Ace has been this year and see Reso at OG and other teams. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 17:20 Pandemona wrote: I always thought personally Ace is way better than Reso this "season" as the basis. I also thought that VGJs were getting the short end when they replaced Timado with Reso because Reso is the greedy core who plays specific hard carry cores and needs alot of farm to be able to play, then even with said farm he still makes mistakes. With Yawar on VGJs they don't need that kind of player because Yawar is a great 1 anyway, but i guess they told him that if he joins he has to play what SVGesus gives him as Yawar always gets prio farm/hero which is good. Reso, at this point in his career, is a solid, greedy pos 1 player, while everyone else on VGJ.Storm is technically still unproven. They're going to end up playing around him whether they wanted to or not, as he simply has the experience to dictate how you win things. The issue for VGJ.Storm is going to be that the scene, at the high level, does know how to deal with Reso-based squads, so there is now a lot of games to see how they operate.They have to keep the momentum up to get through TI qualifiers, as they're going to need it. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Those 2 support heroes will synergise well with DP mid game too. Pretty solid draft | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
And Yawar struggling on DP and Reso is miles away from doing anything with this slark. Wait why is puppey level 5 at minute 17 xD | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 17:44 babysimba wrote: This doom is literally unavailable at this point of the game with wisp and wyvern. Those 2 support heroes will synergise well with DP mid game too. Pretty solid draft The Doom + WW is really what makes the draft. You just can't fight into the ability to remove 2 cores from a fight for 4+ seconds. The carry doesn't matter much in this situation. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 17:47 Pandemona wrote: Right now in this game Yawar is wasted on this DP as he is not a mid player, he failed at mid when he "tried" to make it, but on position 1 guy knows what he is doing thus VGJs are a useful team! And Yawar struggling on DP and Reso is miles away from doing anything with this slark. Wait why is puppey level 5 at minute 17 xD This draft is one of those signs that SVG worked with ppd for a year. I'd normally call this a "ppd special", but ppd isn't in this tournament. It doesn't really matter what cores Storm is running, the wisp + doom + WW combo is going to be almost unbreakable, unless Secret is ahead by 20k+. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Yeah, this game is probably over. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Meanwhile, Secret have a real lack of killing power. | ||
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uthgard
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550
418 Posts
+the prolonged mood of the conversation duno i get kinda bored for some reason probably not a caster thing though maybe this tanky tanky thing n the nature of this game and all that edit: whoop OK nevermind, game ended, i thought it was gonna be a hopeless def affair edit2: btw that game was 100% mistake on puppey though i dont agree much with the popular opinion of him drafting throw picks often, but this one, this one is a blunder | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Resolution remains a fucking sick player Also that Doom in reminds me exactly of the Doom in Keen vs EG (?). 2.6k HP Pipe Crimson can't fucking die ever ever ever. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 16 2018 18:09 rabidch wrote: boring game but this is probably the best 3 caster in a while. they're all kinda insufferable on their own but as a unit they're absolutely hysterical. they've honestly made this tournament really worth watching for me. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 18:09 Kipsate wrote: is VGJS the new DC Resolution remains a fucking sick player Also that Doom in reminds me exactly of the Doom in Keen vs EG (?). 2.6k HP Pipe Crimson can't fucking die ever ever ever. It's the same approach. The WW is also borrowing something Keen did. The strategy was built around Doom, which Wisp + WW make nearly impossible to break. Puppey got outdrafted in the first phase, all Storm needed was a carry and some tower push to win. Now we'll see if Puppey either takes or bans the doom, or he makes the exact same error as he did in Thailand. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
On May 16 2018 18:09 rabidch wrote: boring game but this is probably the best 3 caster in a while. Very good comment, probably the best so far | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 16 2018 18:13 Nocticate wrote: they're all kinda insufferable on their own but as a unit they're absolutely hysterical. they've honestly made this tournament really worth watching for me. When 1 person is whining about people who are doing bad stuff its annoying to hear when another caster tries to compensate/overhype. When 3 people are ranting about random shit and about decisions it feels like a bunch of friends just talking about the game quite enjoyable actually. | ||
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Nomad115
42 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 18:45 Nomad115 wrote: Wanna hear a joke? MidOne Kunkka Core Kunkka just doesn't work, then it suddenly does. It's annoying to watch. | ||
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On May 16 2018 19:09 HaXxorIzed wrote: MSS had a good time in this one. Hes really good at tusk, teams should ban it out from him | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
If I were live-betting I would be mad asf at Secret. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
If you don't crush the lanes as a team, Kunkka has this long awkward phase before he becomes really strong as a damage dealer. You'd think that he'd be a good teamfighter, but the problem is that as a core Kunkka you can't really just sit behind people waiting to counterinitiate because you have to be farming. And you don't really push so you can't force engagements that way either. It plays very differently compared to support Kunkka. When it's a support you aren't relying on him scaling nearly as much so he is very strong with only levels because he can just sit in fog and wait for something to happen. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 19:11 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How to throw a won game 101. If I were live-betting I would be mad asf at Secret. Secret has been doing that deeper in LANs lately. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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550
418 Posts
i feel that was on Yapzor somewhat this is not a game where you should experiment on making Aether lens.. had he went atos/ some other items 500 extra hp that he takes from the exorcism wouldve been everything his teammates (especially lycan) needs to stand that ground an extra second and win the fights.. why secret seems to rely too much on experimental stuffs | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 20:06 Pandemona wrote: Ori on the ember not Paparazii? I'm more concerned about this Razor pick in general. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Think iceiceice is going to just feed with these type of squishy heroes though. Or worst, bad glimpse into causing bad teamfight lmao | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
This is their tournament to win. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On May 16 2018 20:29 Taf the Ghost wrote: VG set the meta coming in, and they're currently still the best at it. This is their tournament to win. If nothing Else securing their ti invite | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
VG just needs to win this series, then their TI invite is all but locked up. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On May 16 2018 20:33 Sapaio wrote: Finding it boring to watch Doom and IO winning. They just seem to OP. Can't see why they aren't getting banned. Not sure i like this patch, seem if you are ahead in games with str heroes its nearly impossible to do comeback as you are to tanky. I don't mind wisp plays as it is fun seeing a good wisp player save a few of his cores and relocating around the map. However i agree with doom, hero is so boring, just sits in lane with regen aura chilling, then walks around map every 2 minutes dooming someone in a team fight and popping crimson and/or pipe xD | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On May 16 2018 21:01 Pandemona wrote: I don't mind wisp plays as it is fun seeing a good wisp player save a few of his cores and relocating around the map. However i agree with doom, hero is so boring, just sits in lane with regen aura chilling, then walks around map every 2 minutes dooming someone in a team fight and popping crimson and/or pipe xD I like IO as a hero normally just seem to Tanky now. Like when he is more squishy so high risk reward hero. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 16 2018 21:15 Sapaio wrote: I like IO as a hero normally just seem to Tanky now. Like when he is more squishy so high risk reward hero. it's still a really squishy hero in the early game. the problem is that the early game doesn't matter lmao | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
grandgrant is the greatest | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
or well, Infernal Blade is disgusting. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 16 2018 21:37 Kipsate wrote: I hope they nerf Doom a bit by the time TI rolls around that hero is disgusting or well, Infernal Blade is disgusting. fortunately there are meta changing patches literally twice a month! so Infernal Blade, the Hero will probably be dumpster tier by this time next week | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Infernal blade is like the strongest early game nuking spell at the cost of 40 mana lol. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 16 2018 21:39 Nocticate wrote: fortunately there are meta changing patches literally twice a month! so Infernal Blade, the Hero will probably be dumpster tier by this time next week I'll always appreciate the memetic "Sunray, great hero" from Epicenter. It really says a lot about certain metas. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
dangle tangle = win These drafts LMAO | ||
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 16 2018 22:10 Faruko wrote: this whole new bounty rune mechanic sucks yup it's so boring also why does bsj think pango is a girl | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On May 16 2018 22:18 babysimba wrote: China wisp, just follow carry and tether to speed up farm he doesn't even buy boots pos 6 | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
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550
418 Posts
IO n KOTL winning (most?) of them matches tho i think the stuff about doom is the Satyr creep REGEN, its not exactly the hero, because playing it in pubs (just me randoming around 4-5k), it felt not easy at all.. prolly because im a suck doom that dont abuse HOTD + Satyr regen. (passive 20+ TEAM HP regen at all times seems broken asf) especially combining these dudes IO/doom with visage another popular broken concept of "very very hard to die" probably the best of players knows this mechanic (like 33 pre-this-patch brood when he used PIPE + HotD to regen his spiders from 5% to 100% within 2 seconds lol) this seems to be the secure go-to meta with abnormally high win rate sadly ima pubber cant do these things.... IO+ aghs too.. something strike that is some very strong mechanic, winrate seems to agree -global presence hero like KOTL/IO/Veno/NP is already plenty strong before this meta this 5 mins teamwipe gold level of bounty patch seems to indirectly buff them (io atleast, not sure why furion kinda slack off) | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
I didn't watch all their games, but from what I saw, LGD just had an off-day day 2 (and xnova was supposedly sick?). If the tournament started today, they'd still be pretty big favourites in my book. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they made a run through the entire LB, though a Bo1 vs a fellow Chinese team is always scary. | ||
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Chillander
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