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There are some REALLY cool cosplays this event
Some insights: there's a tiny and a TB and a Razor who are my favourite here
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Random shits like that are perfect for Slacks. Just stay away from the commentator desk.
Bewbs :O
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On April 24 2016 18:35 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:27 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude. so 2 out of 5 games lc went passive first. 1 out of those 2 games lc realized passive can't do shit when u have to fight early and goes back to the nuke. the other max passive game lc's team was already stomping their lanes amirite? now loda going nuke first makes the build bad because he's loda or what? lol. i'm done man, i've tried my best, you go ahead and max your passive first all you want.
your rationalization of the mixed game is weird... the ideal LC build was passive and they got pressured so he switched. that still indicates his ideal was passive?? that means I'm right that high skill players and pros still favor passive for standard LC play
I've never said the last game the LC should have gone a diff. build, I'm talking about nuke not being the ideal build for an LC in all roles.
On April 24 2016 18:35 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:27 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude. Pros barely pick LC, and what happened this game? Won lanes for liquid entering midgame wih the edge and rolling with it till the victory.
you're crazy if you think LC won the lanes for liquid or that I'm talking about the last game and not LC average builds
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Can anyone link me to a pro game where a support jungle lc plays a pivotal role in winning the game.
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On April 24 2016 18:40 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:35 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:27 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude. so 2 out of 5 games lc went passive first. 1 out of those 2 games lc realized passive can't do shit when u have to fight early and goes back to the nuke. the other max passive game lc's team was already stomping their lanes amirite? now loda going nuke first makes the build bad because he's loda or what? lol. i'm done man, i've tried my best, you go ahead and max your passive first all you want. your rationalization of the mixed game is weird... the ideal LC build was passive and they got pressured so he switched. that still indicates his ideal was passive?? that means I'm right that high skill players and pros still favor passive for standard LC play I've never said the last game the LC should have gone a diff. build, I'm talking about nuke not being the ideal build for an LC in all roles. Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:35 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:27 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude. Pros barely pick LC, and what happened this game? Won lanes for liquid entering midgame wih the edge and rolling with it till the victory. you're crazy if you think LC won the lanes for liquid or that I'm talking about the last game and not LC average builds
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On April 24 2016 18:33 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support. for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree
You are not proving anything with "pros/7k players agree", there are no arguments. Where did you see that pros agree with you? In last 5 pro games? Is this a joke?
Try a bit wider search range, like last 50 LC pro games, or 100... Even so, in these last 5 games you said that LC went for Nuke in few of them, so I don't even know how's that proving your point.
LC without nuke is literally useless before you get Blink. Nobody will let you come close to the enemy, and even if you do you are just sitting duck. So yes, if you want to farm for 15 minutes you can go for maxing passive, but you will also farm faster with a nuke if you keep stacking camps anyway...
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On April 24 2016 18:40 DucK- wrote:
Can anyone link me to a pro game where a support jungle lc plays a pivotal role in winning the game.
I think RTZ did it in an official, but LC is pretty ass in all pro games. She had a brief resurgence as a batrider soft-count because of the heal some months ago
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this host hahahahaha wtf he is taking the piss
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On April 24 2016 18:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:33 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:
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isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support. for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree You are not proving anything with "pros/7k players agree", there are no arguments. Where did you see that pros agree with you? In last 5 pro games? Is this a joke? Try a bit wider search range, like last 50 LC pro games, or 100... Even so, in these last 5 games you said that LC went for Nuke in few of them, so I don't even know how's that proving your point. LC without nuke is literally useless before you get Blink. Nobody will let you come close to the enemy, and even if you do you are just sitting duck. So yes, if you want to farm for 15 minutes you can go for maxing passive, but you will also farm faster with a nuke if you keep stacking camps anyway...
100 games isn't possible because her pick rate after the passive buff in pro games is stupidly small
I mean I can keep trying to explain why nuke is really shit but people assume I'm bad, and I link pro games and top dotabuffs and people say those aren't relevant. People on this forum need to think about shit beyond what that one 4k did n the pub game honestly. The nuke is bad.
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I like the host, but his comments are a bit much during this
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On April 24 2016 18:44 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 24 2016 18:33 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:
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it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support. for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree You are not proving anything with "pros/7k players agree", there are no arguments. Where did you see that pros agree with you? In last 5 pro games? Is this a joke? Try a bit wider search range, like last 50 LC pro games, or 100... Even so, in these last 5 games you said that LC went for Nuke in few of them, so I don't even know how's that proving your point. LC without nuke is literally useless before you get Blink. Nobody will let you come close to the enemy, and even if you do you are just sitting duck. So yes, if you want to farm for 15 minutes you can go for maxing passive, but you will also farm faster with a nuke if you keep stacking camps anyway... 100 games isn't possible because her pick rate after the passive buff in pro games is stupidly small I mean I can keep trying to explain why nuke is really shit but people assume I'm bad, and I link pro games and top dotabuffs and people say those aren't relevant. People on this forum need to think about shit beyond what that one 4k did n the pub game honestly. The nuke is bad.
That's why nuke is maexed first in like 75+% of progames, just check the link I provided to you.
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No Dota cosplay competition is complete without a skimpy QOP cosplay.
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On April 24 2016 18:44 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 24 2016 18:33 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:
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it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support. for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree You are not proving anything with "pros/7k players agree", there are no arguments. Where did you see that pros agree with you? In last 5 pro games? Is this a joke? Try a bit wider search range, like last 50 LC pro games, or 100... Even so, in these last 5 games you said that LC went for Nuke in few of them, so I don't even know how's that proving your point. LC without nuke is literally useless before you get Blink. Nobody will let you come close to the enemy, and even if you do you are just sitting duck. So yes, if you want to farm for 15 minutes you can go for maxing passive, but you will also farm faster with a nuke if you keep stacking camps anyway... 100 games isn't possible because her pick rate after the passive buff in pro games is stupidly small I mean I can keep trying to explain why nuke is really shit but people assume I'm bad, and I link pro games and top dotabuffs and people say those aren't relevant. People on this forum need to think about shit beyond what that one 4k did n the pub game honestly. The nuke is bad.
Nuke = the only way to get solo kills before blink. It's her best skill early game, and for every example you find I could find somebody else who levels nuke. Dendi does, for example.
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that drow was super cutie
but then the next girl WAS THAT TOMOCHIN WTF????
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From all of what Azarkon has said, he is just an arrogant clown who does not believe in anyone but himself.
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EPT
