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gg Liquid! and well played by Empire!
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On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful
i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it.
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lets see a perfect tournament Liquid never drop a game
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Liquid strong! Looks like Matumbaman isn't feeling well. Hopefully he manages to keep it up for the finals...
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Who would have thought wings would be playing in the finals?
Everyone said Secret would have gone through. But Secret decided to pick lifestealer.
GO LIQUID FIGHTING!
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On April 24 2016 18:19 HotShizz wrote:
lets see a perfect tournament Liquid never drop a game
ssshhhh don't tempt fate ;D
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Mindcontrol caught the natures prophet like 3 times in a row. I felt like that changed the tempo of the game. Nice games from Liquid. I think they are undefeated so far.
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what is happening with this interview
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I looked away for a moment after matumba got caught under his T2 bot and the game ends xD
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LC should not have gotten vlads. He should have gotten blade mail instead. With blade mail you have greater kill potential. But pros love their auras. Statistical vs mechanical benefits. Get Vlad's later if you really love your aura. What you want is to make lc pick relevant, and blade mail makes you a threat at the same price.
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On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it.
Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives.
For the post above, empire really needed that 5 AoE armor against DP. It's hard to judge but it wins them a few seconds to react and cast spells or escape from exorcism.
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On April 24 2016 18:21 CursedRich wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:19 HotShizz wrote:
lets see a perfect tournament Liquid never drop a game ssshhhh don't tempt fate ;D
I almost want to root for Wings now.
I mean unless some miracle happens liquid has all but guaranteed Major and TI6 titles.
Where this is the one time in history for wings to get their Cinderella story
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On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it.
it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores
I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude.
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On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives.
I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support.
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I want wings to win so azarkon needs to rationalize the past two tournaments
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On April 24 2016 18:22 ptbl wrote:
Mindcontrol caught the natures prophet like 3 times in a row. I felt like that changed the tempo of the game. Nice games from Liquid. I think they are undefeated so far.
yeah they are. and not only that, they are arguably the best team in the world right now. at least until secret get good again, or we see more of eg.
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On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support.
for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree
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On April 24 2016 18:27 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude.
so 2 out of 5 games lc went passive first. 1 out of those 2 games lc realized passive can't do shit when u have to fight early and goes back to the nuke. the other max passive game lc's team was already stomping their lanes amirite? now loda going nuke first makes the build bad because he's loda or what? lol. i'm done man, i've tried my best, you go ahead and max your passive first all you want.
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On April 24 2016 18:27 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:10 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:05 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:02 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 17:56 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 17:52 Kabras wrote:
why the hell does lc go support build, he needs to kill people. it could have worked if he went fighting build but this is just a waste of a hero slot isnt support build the same as combat? I thought it was agreed no one goes more than 1 in nuke so 1/4/4 it is the same skill buid but you always max ur nuke, i don't see why you'd max passive first when u have 0 dps. i was talking about item build, not skill build. with treads blink he could jump the wd or the bm and trade urself + deny the death ward/roar. oh you meant items also the nuke is really bad which is why most LC's prefer 1 point only (rtz is one example when he was on LC kick). the passive is really strong damage even with a support jungling aura items + blink. I guess I can see them needing nuke because they were scared of chen destroying them, but you shouldn't get it as carry, offlane, or if you want a 4 who is mainly just healing hows the nuke really bad lmao, it's very good damage + movement speed at level 7 and it's not even just that., the passive is garbage beyond level 2 before u have at least 1 attack speed item. yea pub lc that afk jungles for 20 mins can go passive build cuz it kills creeps faster for no mana but in any game where ur expected to contribute anything at all before 20 mins you always max nuke. It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. it's not about afk farm or walking up and clicking... LC's role in this shitty period of her relevance is actually all about the heal ofc. the only thing after her heal is how much she wants to scale, and many people (yes pros and 7k players) go passive and not nuke. Going nuke first hinders your scale potential hard by putting on a curve slightly behind enemy cores I just checked her last 5 pro games before this and in 2/5 she goes passive max first, 1/5 she goes passive max then switches to nuke because her team was losing and the game ended before she went past 2/2/2, and 2/5 where she goes nuke but Loda is known for building REALLY badly (max stun 1 pos sven never forget). It's definitely not a pub thing only dude.
Pros barely pick LC, and what happened this game? Won lanes for liquid entering midgame wih the edge and rolling with it till the victory.
And jsut check the stas on datdota, the nuked is maxed all the time in progames link
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