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I have to say that DK and Razor are my favourites this time.
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On April 24 2016 18:56 solomid wrote:
Azarkon thinks what he thinks and says are always right and logic, but in fact, he does not know lots of things in the first place, and moreover his logic is always biased and not objectively convincing.
Posts like this is exactly why Azarkon is my favorite poster on here. No one else manages to spawn this level of salt, god bless his soul.
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On April 24 2016 18:59 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:54 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:45 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:44 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 24 2016 18:33 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:On April 24 2016 18:13 lolnoty wrote:
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It's not very good damage in 99% of cases and the movementspeed and cooldown are the same at all points
the passive literally makes you farm and fight better in every single way, even with a DREAM nuke you spent 3 skillpoint for like 200 damage? that's awful i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support. for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree You are not proving anything with "pros/7k players agree", there are no arguments. Where did you see that pros agree with you? In last 5 pro games? Is this a joke? Try a bit wider search range, like last 50 LC pro games, or 100... Even so, in these last 5 games you said that LC went for Nuke in few of them, so I don't even know how's that proving your point. LC without nuke is literally useless before you get Blink. Nobody will let you come close to the enemy, and even if you do you are just sitting duck. So yes, if you want to farm for 15 minutes you can go for maxing passive, but you will also farm faster with a nuke if you keep stacking camps anyway... 100 games isn't possible because her pick rate after the passive buff in pro games is stupidly small I mean I can keep trying to explain why nuke is really shit but people assume I'm bad, and I link pro games and top dotabuffs and people say those aren't relevant. People on this forum need to think about shit beyond what that one 4k did n the pub game honestly. The nuke is bad. That's why nuke is maexed first in like 75+% of progames, just check the link I provided to you. I looked at the link and did the math, and in 54% of games with 50% or higher winrate it's maxed first. in 46% there's a mix or passive first (aka not nuke first). That to me says maxing nuke first is not at all the standard in pro play. This discussion started off of me disagreeing with 4/4/1 being standard for carry and support. Nope, the discussion started off with you saying how nuke is really bad... don't spin it now in your favor.
I disagreed with it being standard and said it's not standard BECAUSE the nuke is bad. I'm not spinning anything, do you think that 46% is not maxing nuke because they don't want a good skill? LC's value is not on the nuke, because her skill points get more effectiveness elsewhere.
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On April 24 2016 19:01 Dysisa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:56 solomid wrote:
Azarkon thinks what he thinks and says are always right and logic, but in fact, he does not know lots of things in the first place, and moreover his logic is always biased and not objectively convincing. Posts like this is exactly why Azarkon is my favorite poster on here. No one else manages to spawn this level of salt, god bless his soul.
People are too focused on making sure azarkon is left for some reasons
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right or left he got all y'all talking so whatever
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Will Wings gaming get an invite to Manila Major if they win the finals?
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if they actually win? Yeah 100%
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On April 24 2016 19:04 HammerKick wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 19:01 Dysisa wrote:On April 24 2016 18:56 solomid wrote:
Azarkon thinks what he thinks and says are always right and logic, but in fact, he does not know lots of things in the first place, and moreover his logic is always biased and not objectively convincing. Posts like this is exactly why Azarkon is my favorite poster on here. No one else manages to spawn this level of salt, god bless his soul. People are too focused on making sure azarkon is left for some reasons
So is it better to ignore him or to spirit bomb him together
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Admiral Kunkka pretty good as well, no sword though.
The host is a little overhyped though!
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On April 24 2016 19:07 Zea! wrote:
Will Wings gaming get an invite to Manila Major if they win the finals?
Probably not but it would make sense to give it to them.
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On April 24 2016 19:08 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 19:04 HammerKick wrote:On April 24 2016 19:01 Dysisa wrote:On April 24 2016 18:56 solomid wrote:
Azarkon thinks what he thinks and says are always right and logic, but in fact, he does not know lots of things in the first place, and moreover his logic is always biased and not objectively convincing. Posts like this is exactly why Azarkon is my favorite poster on here. No one else manages to spawn this level of salt, god bless his soul. People are too focused on making sure azarkon is left for some reasons So is it better to ignore him or to spirit bomb him together
I'm ignoring him from the first day i've been on liquiddota
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On April 24 2016 19:08 Velzi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 19:07 Zea! wrote:
Will Wings gaming get an invite to Manila Major if they win the finals? Probably not but it would make sense to give it to them.
Instead of EHOME, sounds worth to me
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On April 24 2016 19:07 Zea! wrote:
Will Wings gaming get an invite to Manila Major if they win the finals?
Really depends on how shit the other Chinese teams are.
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ROFL the winner wins a gtx 970
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As a left handed having that freaking sword in right hand makes everything look so awkward lol
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DK! Yeah! Congratz! Best costume indeed.
Nice answer to how do you feel as well xD
Damn I almost left because I wrongly rememberd Liquid vs Empire to be the first game.
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i knew dragonknight was a girl
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Totally deserved for that DK costume.
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Did the DK just bitch scream?
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On April 24 2016 19:03 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 18:59 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 24 2016 18:54 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:45 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:44 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:42 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 24 2016 18:33 lolnoty wrote:On April 24 2016 18:31 DucK- wrote:On April 24 2016 18:26 nojok wrote:On April 24 2016 18:19 Kabras wrote:
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i don't think u understand a jungle lc in a pro game at 10 minutes will never be able to walk up and right click people to get any sort of value out of his passive. 200 damage to every hero in the aoe is about 190 dmg more to every hero than he'd be able to get with his passive at that point in the game. how the fuck does the passive make u fight better when u can't get a single right click in cuz ur melee and have no mobility or right click damage??? the only thing ur build is good for is pub afk farm for 20 mins, that's about it. Don't even argue guy, we've all tried to convince those jungle LC to not do it in our pubs, the fact it's on a forum won't change anything. Those 0 2 4 1 LC will always blame their team for crumbling against some strong dual lanes or roamers who just put huge pressure on all lanes while solo support can barely offer the wards and TPs to react to the dives. I would blame them too if they decided to pick shit lanes after the lc pick. Even if you change your lc skill build, there's nothing much you can do to change the bad game. The best way is to build to solo kill, not to pretend that lc is a good support. for the record I literally never said this LC should change her build, just diverging that going Nuke first is not standard because it's garbage and many pros/7k players agree You are not proving anything with "pros/7k players agree", there are no arguments. Where did you see that pros agree with you? In last 5 pro games? Is this a joke? Try a bit wider search range, like last 50 LC pro games, or 100... Even so, in these last 5 games you said that LC went for Nuke in few of them, so I don't even know how's that proving your point. LC without nuke is literally useless before you get Blink. Nobody will let you come close to the enemy, and even if you do you are just sitting duck. So yes, if you want to farm for 15 minutes you can go for maxing passive, but you will also farm faster with a nuke if you keep stacking camps anyway... 100 games isn't possible because her pick rate after the passive buff in pro games is stupidly small I mean I can keep trying to explain why nuke is really shit but people assume I'm bad, and I link pro games and top dotabuffs and people say those aren't relevant. People on this forum need to think about shit beyond what that one 4k did n the pub game honestly. The nuke is bad. That's why nuke is maexed first in like 75+% of progames, just check the link I provided to you. I looked at the link and did the math, and in 54% of games with 50% or higher winrate it's maxed first. in 46% there's a mix or passive first (aka not nuke first). That to me says maxing nuke first is not at all the standard in pro play. This discussion started off of me disagreeing with 4/4/1 being standard for carry and support. Nope, the discussion started off with you saying how nuke is really bad... don't spin it now in your favor. I disagreed with it being standard and said it's not standard BECAUSE the nuke is bad. I'm not spinning anything, do you think that 46% is not maxing nuke because they don't want a good skill? LC's value is not on the nuke, because her skill points get more effectiveness elsewhere.
Ok, so you present those 46% as "standard", but 54% isn't standard? What do you want to say, less is more? Those 46% have better understanding, decision making and are better than those 54%? If most of the people play one build, that's pretty much the description of being standard...
It is quite senseless arguing with you, so I will just stop here. Let's just agree to disagree.
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