EPT[MDL] Winter 2015 Playoffs Day 2 - Page 41
| Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments |
|
spudde123
4814 Posts
| ||
|
Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
As someone who loosely followed the NA scene, Complexity before their then finalized TI roster weren't even Tier 2 caliber, not remotely close. It wasn't until Swindle went down on his knees to beg for Moon to come back at last minute and Fly needing a team after getting the kick where the two players literally turned this team struggling to get through bottom no name NA/SA teams into something that can perform well against TI teams. Fly and Moon are the standout players from Complexity. I didn't think much of Moon because his mid was sort of mediocre but he really found his calling in life in the offlane, he won every single lane in the regional qualifiers and I would still say Moon is a top 3 Offlaner (no joke) world. On a final complexity related note, Swindle somehow finds a way to stay relevant. I don't know if it's because of his leadership or being desperate. Not to get all meta but I see Swindle and PPD being more or less the same person. | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
| ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
| ||
|
Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 30 2016 03:07 Kuroeeah wrote: I didn't believe in Fly until I saw Complexity's games through the qualifiers. When Secret replaced him with Zai, i thought it kind of justified itself even though I was initially skeptical of Zai's transition into the offlane. As someone who loosely followed the NA scene, Complexity before their then finalized TI roster weren't even Tier 2 caliber, not remotely close. It wasn't until Swindle went down on his knees to beg for Moon to come back at last minute and Fly needing a team after getting the kick where the two players literally turned this team struggling to get through bottom no name NA/SA teams into something that can perform well against TI teams. Fly and Moon are the standout players from Complexity. I didn't think much of Moon because his mid was sort of mediocre but he really found his calling in life in the offlane, he won every single lane in the regional qualifiers and I would still say Moon is a top 3 Offlaner (no joke) world. On a final complexity related note, Swindle somehow finds a way to stay relevant. I don't know if it's because of his leadership or being desperate. Not to get all meta but I see Swindle and PPD being more or less the same person. On Swindle, he managed to put together what seems like the most dominant HoN LAN team, so the guy does know how to perform and run things. It also helps that 4 of the 5 current Complexity squad was also on that HoN squad. | ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 30 2016 01:53 hariooo wrote: Not sure what world you live in, but group stages are games against teams you are competing with and beating them, means you did well against them. They are also deciders of where you play. 9-12 is 4-7 places from last, of the best teams in the world, and that is from a team that just formed, came out of nowhere and qualified thrashing bigger teams on their way.It's on the level of Bulba going apeshit over getting 8th place. You have players way better than Fly getting shit on after every poor performance but because Fly is likable, him doing well the last few months for the first time in his career means revisionist history of his entire career of how he was always great. Group stage is irrelevant. They finished one placing better than last place. I mean I guess that's not bad but... lol. And you can link his wiki all you like but all I see are failures at major tournaments and consistent tier 3 performance at TI's. Of course he's doing well now but can people take it in context without acting like he's doing something amazing? Before Frankfurt he was like a top 50 player at best Not sure why anyone would care about your opinion of his placings,when 1-3 pos in many tournaments are positions that proves quality. You talk like your ignorance or approval mattered. It doesn't. To a normal functioning person it does prove quality. Anyone of competence understands that Fly is a great captain, that masters several strategies. You don't because you don't understand these things. Responding that things don't matter just because they are detrimental to your non-argument, is just weak. What is this context you talk of? Them being a great team, with him being a top captain, and Moon being a world class offlaner? Yes, you'd be right. They are one of the best teams in the world, because they are one of the best teams in the world in a team game. Why you'd like to slate him for this is anyone's guess. You thinking that it is Miracle that carries him, is you just not understanding a team game such as Dota, where I may suggest you find something that is more within your grasp. So you feel he is nothing special, yet you feel it is nothing special to captain and win a Major, or qualify for several internationals. Why would anyone take your response as anything that is just too stupid? And at best a poor troll showing how little you understand. I guess I shouldn't take someone who write "lol" very seriously. I see you are supporting Secret. W33haa is on par with Miracle. PPY is a world class captain. Something seems missing in relation to OG, does it not? Isn't it you EE-believers that said that EE wanted W33haa over Miracle? You got him. Now you seem eternal envious. | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
| ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:37 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: I am sure you feel proud of that.somewhere in that long and hostile edit history i saw some personal attacks on the character hehehehe | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
| ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:41 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: Well, it must have been similar, since you want to boast about it.proud isn't the word i would use to describe any of the emotions or feelings i got while reading any of your posts | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
| ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:44 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: Because you feel they would doubt you?no i was just giving context to any mods who were reviewing my report as to why i chose "personal attacks" as the reason | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:47 Dracolich70 wrote: Because you feel they would doubt you? well i know for a fact that for awhile teamliquid was on a system where mods could only see the first and final versions... but overall i've found most of your posts in all of the MDL threads to be highly unpleasant and unnecessarily antagonistic, so i've got a bit of a personal vendetta against you now, since it's in the interest of servicing my own thread browsing pleasure to be rid of you (i've found that user blocking script annoying to use, but maybe i should give it another shot) you're definitely not the only one with personality issues when discussing impressions of players and teams, but imo you're the worst | ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:49 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: Oh, so this is a personal vendetta, behind my back. And now you want to promote your courage.well i know for a fact that for awhile teamliquid was on a system where mods could only see the first and final versions... but overall i've found most of your posts in all of the MDL threads to be highly unpleasant and unnecessarily antagonistic, so i've got a bit of a personal vendetta against you now, since it's in the interest of servicing my own thread browsing pleasure to be rid of you I am sure you feel your posting right now is highly pleasant and necessarily antagonistic. Are you baiting? "you're definitely not the only one with personality issues when discussing impressions of players and teams, but imo you're the worst". And your opinion matters because? I know what I talk about. What about you? Several posters on here agrees that this dude doesn't really know what he is talking about, when slating players. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On January 30 2016 03:07 Kuroeeah wrote: I didn't believe in Fly until I saw Complexity's games through the qualifiers. When Secret replaced him with Zai, i thought it kind of justified itself even though I was initially skeptical of Zai's transition into the offlane. As someone who loosely followed the NA scene, Complexity before their then finalized TI roster weren't even Tier 2 caliber, not remotely close. It wasn't until Swindle went down on his knees to beg for Moon to come back at last minute and Fly needing a team after getting the kick where the two players literally turned this team struggling to get through bottom no name NA/SA teams into something that can perform well against TI teams. Fly and Moon are the standout players from Complexity. I didn't think much of Moon because his mid was sort of mediocre but he really found his calling in life in the offlane, he won every single lane in the regional qualifiers and I would still say Moon is a top 3 Offlaner (no joke) world. On a final complexity related note, Swindle somehow finds a way to stay relevant. I don't know if it's because of his leadership or being desperate. Not to get all meta but I see Swindle and PPD being more or less the same person. Though coL has yet to break out of the tier 2 rut this patch, I think swindle has been playing the offlane better than he was playing mid at TI5. | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
i've no issue with any of the substance, only most of the presentation | ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: I respond in kind. I don't do well with disrespectful posts, whose sole purpose is trolling. I try to edit it out, which you for some reason have a problem with.i mean you can definitely project that you know what you're talking about without the haughty attitude and personal attacks I think it is better than going on personal vendettas, posting off-topic of your emotional distress about people with ability, because you are envious. So if you want to participate in the debate about Fly, and/or OG, join in. | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On January 30 2016 06:06 Dracolich70 wrote: I respond in kind. I don't do well with disrespectful posts. I try to edit it out, which you for some reason have a problem with. I think it is better than going on personal vendettas, posting off-topic of your emotional distress about people with ability, because you are envious. So if you want to participate in the debate about Fly, and/or OG, join in. i mean you're still doing it  | ||
|
Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
| ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
i dont think there's a single aspect of your character that you've shown that i'd ever want for myself | ||
| ||
