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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 29 2016 06:50 GMT
#221
Yeah, draft was not an issue at all. Series of feeds, EE standing in front of Tier 3's too much, and too many feeds.


Except the Mirana, because she did absolutely nothing.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 29 2016 06:50 GMT
#222
On January 29 2016 15:48 Salazarz wrote:
Why are people whining about Secret's draft? Secret's draft is actually better, the problem is Secret gave away several important kills leading to 2 free Roshans and a lot of free farm time for NB. Without that, Weaver would be impossible to kill by now.

some drafts are easier to execute than others and weaver is almost alwyas more diffcult to execute than ember and morph...
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 29 2016 06:50 GMT
#223
Secret played so sloppy there. They were in a commanding position... then EE, W33, Puppey all got caught one at a time into free rosh.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
January 29 2016 06:51 GMT
#224
That was such bad play by Secret, wow.

Puppey got like 1 arrow all game, and Envy and Misery played so poorly, sigh.

Puppey please draft, and stop with this play. Hate being a fan in games where I wouldn't make certain mistakes that you guys did.
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
January 29 2016 06:51 GMT
#225
SB and mirana. 2 single target stunners. Shit in teamfight. Good in small scale fights around the map.

Pick draft that has no fucking creep clear to split push safely.

How the fuck is this draft good. Zero synergy at all.
dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
January 29 2016 06:51 GMT
#226
On January 29 2016 15:50 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:48 Salazarz wrote:
Why are people whining about Secret's draft? Secret's draft is actually better, the problem is Secret gave away several important kills leading to 2 free Roshans and a lot of free farm time for NB. Without that, Weaver would be impossible to kill by now.

Picking support PotM feels like it's usually a death sentence. I get the idea was to use arrow to instantly kill Enchantress's creeps, but the hero doesn't fucking do anything.

With astral at 4 seconds every level it's also basically the old SD combo. They got a couple of kills at the start with that and had a nice lead. Then went clown 9 mode.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 29 2016 06:52 GMT
#227
good drafts involve a good mix of scaling aoe dps and single target dps

secret's teamfight didnt scale well at all
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
January 29 2016 06:52 GMT
#228
And this observer is not good either. Not once did they show the gold/experience graphs, and in the first 15 minutes of the game, he had the current gold tab open?
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 29 2016 06:53 GMT
#229
On January 29 2016 15:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
And this observer is not good either. Not once did they show the gold/experience graphs, and in the first 15 minutes of the game, he had the current gold tab open?

I think it's Rob, one of the BTS production guys. Can they just get a dedicated observer already?
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
January 29 2016 06:53 GMT
#230
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
January 29 2016 06:53 GMT
#231
mm, if you're trying to utilise the Astral into arrow combo, OD needs to get force staff earlier rather than go atos into blink.
Think the itemization lost them a lot of their early game potential. Still think Newbee had the better drafting game plan with Enchantress, VS and Bat.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 29 2016 06:53 GMT
#232
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Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 06:55:16
January 29 2016 06:53 GMT
#233
On January 29 2016 15:51 babysimba wrote:
SB and mirana. 2 single target stunners. Shit in teamfight. Good in small scale fights around the map.

Pick draft that has no fucking creep clear to split push safely.

How the fuck is this draft good. Zero synergy at all.


Newbee has no way to engage on Secret unless they are miles ahead. It's easy to talk about how shit Secret draft is after they fall 20k gold behind. Newbee played extremely well, but they did not win because of drafting. Fng is saying the same on Russian stream.

I mean, until the second free Roshan Newbee couldn't fight Secret at all, and with Weaver being ahead of Gyro in networth (which he would have been without dying for free over and over), it'd stay that way.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 29 2016 06:54 GMT
#234
On January 29 2016 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.

He has fans?
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 06:55:00
January 29 2016 06:54 GMT
#235
Feels that Puppey isn't even trying. Wonder whether there is conflict within the team. There must be.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
January 29 2016 06:55 GMT
#236
On January 29 2016 15:54 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.

He has fans?

I like Envy
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 06:56:08
January 29 2016 06:55 GMT
#237
On January 29 2016 15:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:42 dutchfriese wrote:
On January 29 2016 15:37 babysimba wrote:
EE's draft is actually so awful. No lane push heroes


weaver can split push extremely well, EE has just been playing senselessly

morph and ember still do it better though

one button and you're gone far away


I agree, both would have been better picks. Like I said earlier I didn't really like the Weaver pick. I like the Morph idea though, that could have worked well.
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
January 29 2016 06:56 GMT
#238
On January 29 2016 15:54 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.

He has fans?

come on
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
January 29 2016 06:57 GMT
#239
I only saw the last 5 minutes or so, anyone care to give a small summary? From what I read here it seems game was going alright for Secret and Newbee found EE twice and took 2 free roshes?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
January 29 2016 06:57 GMT
#240
On January 29 2016 15:54 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.

He has fans?

I don't feel Secret would have had half the draw it has if it weren't for EE.
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