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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 29 2016 06:58 GMT
#241
envy and rtz have this thing where theyg et fixated on hipster carries that arent partciularly good for the game like luna weaver etc
posting on liquid sites in current year
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 29 2016 06:58 GMT
#242
On January 29 2016 15:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:54 Daralii wrote:
On January 29 2016 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.

He has fans?

I don't feel Secret would have had half the draw it has if it weren't for EE.

I think they'd have more if anything. My anecdotal experience is that a lot of people who love Puppey hate EE.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
January 29 2016 06:59 GMT
#243
On January 29 2016 15:53 Salazarz wrote:
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On January 29 2016 15:51 babysimba wrote:
SB and mirana. 2 single target stunners. Shit in teamfight. Good in small scale fights around the map.

Pick draft that has no fucking creep clear to split push safely.

How the fuck is this draft good. Zero synergy at all.


Newbee has no way to engage on Secret unless they are miles ahead. It's easy to talk about how shit Secret draft is after they fall 20k gold behind. Newbee played extremely well, but they did not win because of drafting. Fng is saying the same on Russian stream.

I mean, until the second free Roshan Newbee couldn't fight Secret at all, and with Weaver being ahead of Gyro in networth (which he would have been without dying for free over and over), it'd stay that way.

And don't you think the reliability of being ahead needs to be part of the gameplan. There's a reason why nobody use mirana support anymore. She loses games even after getting 10 kills early game. And EE tries to make things worse by picking weaver, another carry that requires more farm than required to keep up with its fighting capabilities.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
January 29 2016 07:00 GMT
#244
EE games have draw because there's going to be circus clowns and roller coaster rides
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 07:01:29
January 29 2016 07:00 GMT
#245
On January 29 2016 15:55 dutchfriese wrote:
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On January 29 2016 15:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 29 2016 15:42 dutchfriese wrote:
On January 29 2016 15:37 babysimba wrote:
EE's draft is actually so awful. No lane push heroes


weaver can split push extremely well, EE has just been playing senselessly

morph and ember still do it better though

one button and you're gone far away


I agree, both would have been better picks. Like I said earlier I didn't really like the Weaver pick. I like the Morph idea though, that could have worked well.

secret banned morph, and envy's thinking was probably along the line of "hey they have bat while not pick a weaver he's a good linken carries!!"
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 29 2016 07:01 GMT
#246
western teams should suck it up and learn morph if their best alternatives involve stooping to weaver
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tm_invincible
Profile Joined December 2014
Vietnam220 Posts
January 29 2016 07:03 GMT
#247
Envy was a beast on Morph in C9 days.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
January 29 2016 07:03 GMT
#248
The worst shit is he practices morph and is still one of the best morph carries lmao
molecu
Profile Joined June 2013
347 Posts
January 29 2016 07:03 GMT
#249
I think EE has fans rooting for him as much as anti-fans rooting against him.
it all matters
tm_invincible
Profile Joined December 2014
Vietnam220 Posts
January 29 2016 07:05 GMT
#250
Ofc EE has many fans. One hater doesnt mean he has no fan.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 29 2016 07:05 GMT
#251
On January 29 2016 16:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
western teams should suck it up and learn morph if their best alternatives involve stooping to weaver

Did they play it back during TI2? I can't remember if they picked him or if they just relied on AM to counter him.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
January 29 2016 07:06 GMT
#252
es-ld-spec again?
I really don't like this strat
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
January 29 2016 07:06 GMT
#253
On January 29 2016 16:00 uthgard wrote:
"hey they have bat while not pick a weaver he's a good linken carries!!"

EE's internal monologue has trouble with English sometimes.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 29 2016 07:06 GMT
#254
On January 29 2016 15:57 spudde123 wrote:
I only saw the last 5 minutes or so, anyone care to give a small summary? From what I read here it seems game was going alright for Secret and Newbee found EE twice and took 2 free roshes?

Secret pushed bottom tier 2. Swap -> Lasso -> Free OD kill.

EE pushing Tier 3. Decides to run uphill to take a couple meaningless potshots before running back to TP. Newbee flank him, pop linkens, chain two stuns and kill him.

Newbee get a free Rosh.

Then Puppey feeds a free kill in the river and gives up Gem.

You could probably call that the turning point, and a lot of bad plays from Secret meant they never got any advantage back.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
January 29 2016 07:07 GMT
#255
On January 29 2016 15:58 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 15:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 29 2016 15:54 Daralii wrote:
On January 29 2016 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
And honestly even Envy fans can't defend how atrocious his mistakes were this game.

He has fans?

I don't feel Secret would have had half the draw it has if it weren't for EE.

I think they'd have more if anything. My anecdotal experience is that a lot of people who love Puppey hate EE.

I think envy haters goes way too overboard on critiquing him. He's proven himself to carry games that not a lot of players playing his position can achieve and a lot of people just flames him for every death, even if he legitimately was being sacked.

I don't care much for the things he says or his personality, but I do love the fact that his distinctive playstyle baffles scientists.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
January 29 2016 07:08 GMT
#256
On January 29 2016 16:05 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 16:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
western teams should suck it up and learn morph if their best alternatives involve stooping to weaver

Did they play it back during TI2? I can't remember if they picked him or if they just relied on AM to counter him.


EE himself used to play Morph relatively frequently some months around TI4
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
January 29 2016 07:08 GMT
#257
On January 29 2016 16:06 ASoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 16:00 uthgard wrote:
"hey they have bat while not pick a weaver he's a good linken carries!!"

EE's internal monologue has trouble with English sometimes.

wouldn't surprise me

but smh fam, obviously meant 'why'
molecu
Profile Joined June 2013
347 Posts
January 29 2016 07:08 GMT
#258
Apparently Secret didn't practice at all for this tournament. nrootn said as much in 1437 chat.
Na`Vi 2.0.
it all matters
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
January 29 2016 07:11 GMT
#259
On January 29 2016 16:08 molecu wrote:
Apparently Secret didn't practice at all for this tournament. nrootn said as much in 1437 chat.
Na`Vi 2.0.


I mean they can't practice when they were just at SL and then EE flew to China straight from there etc. I doubt EG played between SL and this either really. But idk how Secret's preparation for SL was
tm_invincible
Profile Joined December 2014
Vietnam220 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 07:11:55
January 29 2016 07:11 GMT
#260
On January 29 2016 16:08 molecu wrote:
Apparently Secret didn't practice at all for this tournament. nrootn said as much in 1437 chat.
Na`Vi 2.0.


Didnt they say the same about WCA? So when will they start practicing lol. There were time C9 struggled but this Secret seems worse to me.
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