[MDL] Winter 2015 Playoffs Day 1 - Page 37

On January 29 2016 03:32 spudde123 wrote:
Goody may not be expressing himself the best but come on dude. You may have a point in OG supports using their time better in deciding who to protect and when and where to be than EG or Secret currently (if that was part of your point), but the way you worded things originally is just bullshit, as proven by how Secret has done things in a lot of games after they were formed.

Also pretty sure when Goody talks about the "EE sucking" comment it is about you saying "EE tilts" out of nowhere when it apparently had no relevance to the discussion.

Saying that EE tilts doesn't mean that he sucks. He is emotional. As is Misery. They are both good players.

On January 29 2016 03:12 spudde123 wrote:


It's always hard to say change how bringing in a new player would change the team. Noone can know from the outside how a team works exactly. A lot of people were raving for example about VG when Hao replaced Black, but instead their results got a bit worse overall unless I'm mistaken. c9 thought they were upgrading when they got Misery & n0tail, but instead the new team just didn't work as well as the old one.

In n0tail's case for example at least I have the impression that he is fairly active in providing ideas in terms of how to play the game, how to draft, etc. Some things you can analyze from gameplay (though as we see in this thread with very different interpretations), some things are impossible to know without being with the team.

On January 29 2016 04:15 Super_Style wrote:

Thank you, great counterargument and the one i can agree with. I mean PPD and Puppy are not the best of players in the world, cr1t and lil are like twice as good of a support players but they cant do what ppd and puppy do and thus having both of them would be worse then having one of each. This game is more then just ingame mechanics.

But dont go and be like "notail never tilts thus his team never tilts, hes an amazing carry he has 6th best gpm in 2015"
And as far as i remember envy said in his ask.fm that notail was the most emotional player on old c9, something you @dracolich seem to ignore when talking about "old c9 tilting, envy and misery being emotional.

On January 29 2016 04:24 haxhax wrote:


You are the one who came in here saying that OG is a 4 player team with n0tail doing nothing, you complete imbecile.

Guess that only speaks of volumes of how terrible you must think their opponents are. And those that can't even qualify? Ugh!

On January 29 2016 04:32 haxhax wrote:
I'm calling a spade a spade. So don't act insulted when you're the one who started a pissing contest in the first place.

On January 29 2016 04:47 DavoS wrote:
Were Secret's losses stomps or were they pretty good games?

On January 29 2016 03:56 Dracolich70 wrote:
Tilting is pretty relavant when it comes to being willing to sacrifice. I was questioned whether I had seen C9 games, and I refered to a very specific and infamous weakness. Somehow "old C9" was being brought up, when I talked about Secret, as if it mattered, but it still failed for him and you.

Goody may not be expressing himself the best? The guy agrees with me, and still try to make an argument, pretending I am him.

N0tail is not a support. This was about the difference between how things work in EG and Secret, and then OG, where I use N0tails and the teams willingness to sacrifice him. WILLINGNESS. Not hurting their gameplan. Both of you proceed to explain that EE has been ganked before, hurting the team, and now W33, not understanding what is being relayed to you.

Saying that EE tilts doesn't mean that he sucks. He is emotional. As is Misery. They are both good players.

The problem being that you two do not understand things said, but that are your shortcomings. What is even worse, is you do not even understand the consequence of what yourselves say.

On January 29 2016 04:12 trollcenter wrote:


Being prone to choking in tournaments makes you a less valuable and less stable player, let's not act like controlling your emotions is not part of your skill. There's a reason teams like EG excel under pressure on big LANs while others crumble.

On January 29 2016 04:57 spudde123 wrote:


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At no point did I say anything about EE being ganked and it hurting the team. I only talked about whether they've sacced him early to guarantee resources to others so the team can win the game (not hurting their gameplan as you would call it), which they have done successfully. Goody may have said something along those lines as regards to w33, hence the "may not be expressing himself the best".

When I talked about supports it was to talk about the players who generally are the ones who either protect a player or choose to use their time elsewhere. And I think OG often plays the early game well, compared to Secret for example.

The entire discussion seems a bit silly. It started by you talking as if individual players don't want to do something, which is proven to be incorrect just by observing games. Now you are talking about how well the gameplans of teams work out, which is not at all the topic that people disagreed on.

On January 29 2016 04:37 Super_Style wrote:

I can recognize a delusional fan when i see one, cheering for the name and not the performance, they also resort to insulting because they cant actually say anything of consequence.

On January 29 2016 15:53 Dracolich70 wrote:
You are baiting to be insulted. You are new to the game, we understand.

It is not so much about being delusional, but you having no idea what you are talking about, and have to backpedal eventually, as proven several times.

It is funny you state that he says something insulting, instead of something of consequence, when he does, and you don't. Even in your insults you are way off the mark.