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Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
August 26 2012 01:03 GMT
#341
Yep, great usage of black hole and vaccum. Really hope WE pulls back and bring this all the way to game 5.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 26 2012 01:03 GMT
#342
On August 26 2012 09:59 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 09:58 NB wrote:
to be fair... their drafting is quite outdated compare to current dota2 metagame.... Shadow Shaman Lesh -_-

Shadow Shaman has been picked rather often recently.

not sure what you watching but it wasnt in my book... the immue magic ward push with Shadow Shaman + venom is far over since the laning phase quite weak compare to any decent pick. Not even counting leaking heroes for enemy team to pick.... darkseer
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 01:04:02
August 26 2012 01:03 GMT
#343
On August 26 2012 10:02 konadora wrote:
thanks for replies lol

why give black AM ._.

Because WE didn't expect to play and haven't done their homework on DotA 2 or the involved teams.

They basically played it like it was DotA 1.
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YODA_
Profile Joined June 2012
593 Posts
August 26 2012 01:03 GMT
#344
On August 26 2012 10:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 10:01 YODA_ wrote:
Not one, but two MASSIVE, game changing vacuum black hole combos by mouz. So good to see them pulling sick stuff like that of in probably the biggest series of their life. I don't think ds or enigma is going to get through first stage all series now by WE, they will want nothing of that again.

The second one by WE's top inner turret was really stupid. 4 heroes missing on the map and AM willing to push that deep is a big red flag for the other 4 all being smoked waiting to catch you if you try to defend the tower.

In their defense, they actually stayed pretty far back, but it was just a huge vacuum black hole combo.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
August 26 2012 01:04 GMT
#345
On August 26 2012 10:01 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 10:00 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2012 09:58 NB wrote:
to be fair... their drafting is quite outdated compare to current dota2 metagame.... Shadow Shaman Lesh -_-

They're drafting it like it's DotA 1. Furion/Panda are because they're Icy/Yaodao's signature heroes, and no doubt they've been trying to practice mid Weaver after losing to it two weeks ago in ACE DotA.


So there goes the idea that Dota 2 is the same game as Dota 1, and that Chinese Dota 1 meta-game is going to win them the day?

One fallacy down. I hope superstratan is watching.



You're right. 1 game proves everything. Oh wait, you're acting dumb.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 26 2012 01:04 GMT
#346
1437 seemed nervous in the early/mid game. Glad he calmed down.

Mouz 3-0 please, my heart can't handle it.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
August 26 2012 01:04 GMT
#347
On August 26 2012 10:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 10:02 konadora wrote:
thanks for replies lol

why give black AM ._.

Because WE didn't expect to play and haven't done their homework on DotA 2 or the involved teams.

They basically played it like it was DotA 1.

mouz nooby foreign team, ez china win amirite
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 26 2012 01:05 GMT
#348
On August 26 2012 10:03 YODA_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 10:02 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2012 10:01 YODA_ wrote:
Not one, but two MASSIVE, game changing vacuum black hole combos by mouz. So good to see them pulling sick stuff like that of in probably the biggest series of their life. I don't think ds or enigma is going to get through first stage all series now by WE, they will want nothing of that again.

The second one by WE's top inner turret was really stupid. 4 heroes missing on the map and AM willing to push that deep is a big red flag for the other 4 all being smoked waiting to catch you if you try to defend the tower.

In their defense, they actually stayed pretty far back, but it was just a huge vacuum black hole combo.

They went with 3 heroes while the two others were bottom. Either they give it up or they come with all 5 heroes knowing that a teamfight is going to happen.

The fact that they only went with 3 heroes showed they were oblivious to the smoke countergank.
Moderator
itsben
Profile Joined July 2010
435 Posts
August 26 2012 01:05 GMT
#349
On August 26 2012 10:03 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 09:59 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On August 26 2012 09:58 NB wrote:
to be fair... their drafting is quite outdated compare to current dota2 metagame.... Shadow Shaman Lesh -_-

Shadow Shaman has been picked rather often recently.

not sure what you watching but it wasnt in my book... the immue magic ward push with Shadow Shaman + venom is far over since the laning phase quite weak compare to any decent pick. Not even counting leaking heroes for enemy team to pick.... darkseer


I think PB is the only team who consistantly picks shadow shaman. Also since when was lesh a bad pick?
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
August 26 2012 01:05 GMT
#350
[image loading]
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
August 26 2012 01:05 GMT
#351
This is already better than MLG

TI2 gonna be so awesome
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
August 26 2012 01:06 GMT
#352
Pausing to work on streaming for the 2nd game.


Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 26 2012 01:06 GMT
#353
That weaver pick was so odd. Really dislike it.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 01:07:22
August 26 2012 01:06 GMT
#354
On August 26 2012 10:04 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 10:01 Azarkon wrote:
On August 26 2012 10:00 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2012 09:58 NB wrote:
to be fair... their drafting is quite outdated compare to current dota2 metagame.... Shadow Shaman Lesh -_-

They're drafting it like it's DotA 1. Furion/Panda are because they're Icy/Yaodao's signature heroes, and no doubt they've been trying to practice mid Weaver after losing to it two weeks ago in ACE DotA.


So there goes the idea that Dota 2 is the same game as Dota 1, and that Chinese Dota 1 meta-game is going to win them the day?

One fallacy down. I hope superstratan is watching.



You're right. 1 game proves everything. Oh wait, you're acting dumb.


One game shows quite a bit when you look at the substance of the play, rather than just the result. But in the coming days, you're going to see the rest of this play out.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
August 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#355
On August 26 2012 10:05 SilverStar wrote:
[image loading]

SexyBamboe has the look of a true killer.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
August 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#356
On August 26 2012 10:02 heyoka wrote:
hi kona nice to see you

harlowww
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YODA_
Profile Joined June 2012
593 Posts
August 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#357
On August 26 2012 10:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 10:03 YODA_ wrote:
On August 26 2012 10:02 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2012 10:01 YODA_ wrote:
Not one, but two MASSIVE, game changing vacuum black hole combos by mouz. So good to see them pulling sick stuff like that of in probably the biggest series of their life. I don't think ds or enigma is going to get through first stage all series now by WE, they will want nothing of that again.

The second one by WE's top inner turret was really stupid. 4 heroes missing on the map and AM willing to push that deep is a big red flag for the other 4 all being smoked waiting to catch you if you try to defend the tower.

In their defense, they actually stayed pretty far back, but it was just a huge vacuum black hole combo.

They went with 3 heroes while the two others were bottom. Either they give it up or they come with all 5 heroes knowing that a teamfight is going to happen.

The fact that they only went with 3 heroes showed they were oblivious to the smoke countergank.

They didn't really even "go in", they were well behind the tower, and more than a blink distance away for AM. Just excellent terrain usage, no jungle wards, and a couple of great plays.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#358
On August 26 2012 10:03 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 09:59 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On August 26 2012 09:58 NB wrote:
to be fair... their drafting is quite outdated compare to current dota2 metagame.... Shadow Shaman Lesh -_-

Shadow Shaman has been picked rather often recently.

not sure what you watching but it wasnt in my book... the immue magic ward push with Shadow Shaman + venom is far over since the laning phase quite weak compare to any decent pick. Not even counting leaking heroes for enemy team to pick.... darkseer


It has been picked + banned around the same amount of times as CK or SD, nothing amazing but far from nothing.
itsben
Profile Joined July 2010
435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 01:08:35
August 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#359
On August 26 2012 10:05 SilverStar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Is that paisy standing over them? I thought they said no managers?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 01:08:22
August 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#360
is this bo3 or bo5? o_O

also how did WE play? 4 protect 1 again?
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