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United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago.
No one actively plays dota. Quote from Hao after TongFu won about what they did for WCG
Hao: Practice. So right now we're not playing Dota. We don't have teams playing Dota anymore. They've all gone to play Dota2. So right now, we're setting aside some time everyday to pub the ladder and reacquaint ourselves with Dota. We're constantly playing Dota2, so some of the tactics and other aspects of Dota are out of practice. So we're refamiliarizing ourselves with that. So that is practice, I guess, playing pubs on the ladder.
The teams that played at WCG did so because it was in China and they didn't make it into the Dota 2 event
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Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago.
That was in China. I doubt any of them would fly to attend a Dota 1 tournament as the teams have openly said that they preferred Dota 2.
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On December 14 2012 23:11 Reap_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago. That was in China. I doubt any of them would fly to attend a Dota 1 tournament as the teams have openly said that they preferred Dota 2.
can you find any interviews or something? from teams like LGD that played a dota1 tourny last week but not this week
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago. LGD wanted to play in Dota 2 but didn't qualify. You can't compare WCG China which was enormous and local to the teams.
Several teams have said they only practice Dota 2. DK have specifically said they will never play a Dota 1 tournament.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:21 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 23:11 Reap_ wrote:On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago. That was in China. I doubt any of them would fly to attend a Dota 1 tournament as the teams have openly said that they preferred Dota 2. can you find any interviews or something? from teams like LGD that played a dota1 tourny last week but not this week
I literally posted a quote a post above that one =p
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On December 14 2012 23:23 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago. LGD wanted to play in Dota 2 but didn't qualify. You can't compare WCG China which was enormous and local to the teams. Several teams have said they only practice Dota 2. DK have specifically said they will never play a Dota 1 tournament.
that makes no sense i shouldnt compare the $5000 WCG to the $35000 SMM tourny? SMM is WAY bigger and just as prestigious
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On December 14 2012 23:27 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 23:21 L3g3nd_ wrote:On December 14 2012 23:11 Reap_ wrote:On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago. That was in China. I doubt any of them would fly to attend a Dota 1 tournament as the teams have openly said that they preferred Dota 2. can you find any interviews or something? from teams like LGD that played a dota1 tourny last week but not this week I literally posted a quote a post above that one =p
yeah from one of the smaller chinese teams, im more interested in iG LGD DK
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:28 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 23:23 teapoted wrote:On December 14 2012 23:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:
no they didnt, theyve played quite a few dota1 tournies, LGD played in wcg dota1 like a week ago. LGD wanted to play in Dota 2 but didn't qualify. You can't compare WCG China which was enormous and local to the teams. Several teams have said they only practice Dota 2. DK have specifically said they will never play a Dota 1 tournament. that makes no sense i shouldnt compare the $5000 WCG to the $35000 SMM tourny? SMM is WAY bigger and just as prestigious I don't know why I'm having this argument, I've made all the points already, but I guess I'll make them again.
Organisations have already said they're focusing on Dota 2. WCG China was enormous and local to the teams, this isn't about prize money, this is about exposure. Chinese tournaments have never had large prize pools.yeah from one of the smaller chinese teams, im more interested in iG LGD DK TongFu isn't a small team. iG were registered to SMM but later declined. DK have said they won't play Dota 1, what more do you need here? WCG had a 20-40,000 people watching at the venue, SMM has a 1-200 seat theater room, it is incomparable.
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On December 14 2012 21:09 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:02 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2012 20:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
when do the chinese teams play? read previous pages in thread, theres only one chinese team there and its a team LGD.int raped in <20 minutes according to http://gosugamers.net/dota/news/22239, there isn't even that one chinese team
so... being the super pinoy dota fan i am, the chinese were too scared to face pinoy dota again 
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The paucity of second tier Chinese Dota teams is responsible, what else? The instant the big teams switch, the Chinese presence in Dota becomes nonexistent.
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United States47024 Posts
On December 15 2012 02:43 Azarkon wrote:
The paucity of second tier Chinese Dota teams is responsible, what else? The instant the big teams switch, the Chinese presence in Dota becomes nonexistent.
It's more the decision of TOs than teams. There's zero reason for second-tier Chinese teams to be playing DotA 1 if none of the major leagues (G-1, G-League, ACE, etc.) are running DotA 1 events anymore. Why play a game that nobody else runs events for?
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There are plenty of second tier chinese teams...
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Canada2068 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:50 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:09 CountChocula wrote:On December 14 2012 21:02 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2012 20:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
when do the chinese teams play? read previous pages in thread, theres only one chinese team there and its a team LGD.int raped in <20 minutes according to http://gosugamers.net/dota/news/22239, there isn't even that one chinese team so... being the super pinoy dota fan i am, the chinese were too scared to face pinoy dota again
that seems to be the consensus of pinoy fans in the pinoy vs. china flame-war on gosugamers, lol
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
2nd tier chinese teams have no financial interest given the traveling and logistic burden involved.
there is no shortage of 2nd tier teams per se, just well funded organizations. the big guys may be crowding out the space.
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On December 15 2012 02:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 02:43 Azarkon wrote:
The paucity of second tier Chinese Dota teams is responsible, what else? The instant the big teams switch, the Chinese presence in Dota becomes nonexistent. It's more the decision of TOs than teams. There's zero reason for second-tier Chinese teams to be playing DotA 1 if none of the major leagues (G-1, G-League, ACE, etc.) are running DotA 1 events anymore. Why play a game that nobody else runs events for?
The question is, do you think there were second tier Chinese Dota 1 teams in position to exploit the departure of the Big Three + TF? Personally, I don't, and I think the organizers felt the same way, which is why they all made the switch after the Big Three decided to switch.
It's not that Dota 1 is dead in China. It remains the biggest Dota game there, while Dota 2 is still just a blip on the map. But when it comes to eSports, there's nothing at the level of the Big Three + TF, and I'm not talking about skill level. I'm talking about the level of organization and sponsorship. I'm sure that, were SMM a local tournament, getting amateur Chinese teams to join isn't an issue. But sending teams outside of China, that's a feat few teams outside of the Big Three + TF are capable of, hence the disappearance of Chinese Dota 1 competition overnight in the international scene.
The paucity of second tier teams isn't ultimately a paucity of moldable talent, but a paucity of infrastructure - the second and third tier teams, players, organizations and sponsors that make up the backbone of a talent chain. The vacuum created by the Big Three + TF switching to Dota 2 is easily filled, and there are plenty of market incentives to do so, given the huge player base of Dota 1, but for the fact that there aren't teams, organizers, and sponsors up to the task of doing so.
Of course, China's scene is not entirely at fault here. SMM's organizers also chose... Poorly, given that they had the opportunity to speak with team organizers in advance and to confirm lock ins earlier.
But SMM's organizers are themselves limited by what China is able to offer. Who else was SMM going to invite?
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
there are no major dota1 tourneys hosted in china. revenue is still made in dota1, but that's through personal streaming. guys like yaphets etc making pubbing videos.
the benchmark for highest caliber of competition isn't suddenly vacated because the big teams moved to dota2. it is sticky onto the players, rather than the game. kind of like everyone should know the best starcraft players are bw pros even though there is no bw being played. (if dota2:dota is anything like...i digress) for the established big name tournaments, it's still the same game with a new skin for tournament viewers. so yea, all the pro teams are transitioning to dota2, even new teams like VG.
overall level of chinese dota commercial viability has taken gigantic strides btw. due in no small part to the "investment" made by rich kids into their toy teams. iG and LGD sponsors are pretty major companies, and there are tv ads featuring iG selling lenovo computers
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Gah, I really wish they'd get that bloody audio working already. Was looking forward to having a bit of vanilla Dota casted.
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glad to see Philippine teams advancing :D
stream is not that bad atm
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Canada2068 Posts
potm, sf both with lothars in orange vs. mufc game. pinoy influence everywhere
edit: dk with lothars too, and na is also in the game.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
can't hit what you can't see.
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