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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5121
On August 11 2013 10:32 stuchiu wrote:
I did not know Silencer was in CM mode.

He was tested a bit by every team when he arrived. To summarize, gold on him was not good enough for him to be a carry or a mid and did not bring enough as a support outside of his ulti. He's still a niche pick and seems to be a good counter to orange line up. Let's see how it works out.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5122
This series is going to be more exciting than Na'Vi vs Alliance, I can practically guarantee it.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5123
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5124
On August 11 2013 10:33 Badboyrune wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:25 WindWolf wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

I've seen some pretty sick FGC matches that wouldn't be possible without the "starcraft BS"

Plus, it's called double elimination for a reason...


The starcraft bullshit is the extended series stuff, which people seem to confuse for standard double elimination when in fact it has nothing to do with it.

The whole idea behind double elim is that you get a second chance, you need to lose twice to get knocked out of the tournament. If you reach the grand finals through the winner bracket that means you haven't lost a game yet, so you need to lose once before you can be knocked out. The team from the losers bracket has obviously already lost once.

Extended series is a whole different thing.

And I understand why Valve runs it this way, but saying that it is de facto more fair to run it in a way where the team that has performed the best gets one less chance than the other team is just not true.

But it is true. Staying in the winners bracket means you never dropped at set and you get rewarded if you meet a team you knocked out. It's really common, to the point of being standard.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5125
I hope Orange can make Sven work!
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5126
On August 11 2013 10:31 SolidMoose wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:27 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:25 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals.

I dunno about fair, but single series (maybe with a game advantage) is certainly fine for dota, and definitely the most fun option.

but its not "starcraft bullshit", it is literally the way most double elim tournaments are designe, all FGC tournaments for example are double elim with 2 round finals, and they get plenty hype

It's about the game type really. Fighting games do better in this type of tournament setup because of their nature, each match is "more exciting" and closer etc. In Starcraft it really feels that a 1 game or series advantage is way too much to overcome.

Which makes series significantly more boring


1 game advantage is ok, but something has to be done to give the winner bracket side an advantage since they haven't been eliminated once. I don't know if TI3 does that though.


The winner bracket has the advantage of not having to go through the losers bracket. Im sure its grueling
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5127
On August 11 2013 10:34 zoLo wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:33 Disengaged wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:32 teapoted wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:31 Disengaged wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:28 Gentso wrote:
Sigh.. I really like Alliance team but I really dislike Kelly Milkies and is it bad that I don't want them to win it all just because of that? : /


Wait. . . is she dating one of them?

She has a horrible reputation in the SC2 and LoL community lol
Is this TMZ?


Who or what is TMZ?


A stupid news outlet dedicated to following drama of obnoxious celebrities, athletes, etc.


Oh I see
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5128
in case somebody doesnt know

alliance standing right now is 20-1

they only lost a single game to DK the entire tournament .. and i dont see anyone winning against them
this is a quote
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 11 2013 01:35 GMT
#5129
On August 11 2013 10:35 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:32 stuchiu wrote:
I did not know Silencer was in CM mode.

He was tested a bit by every team when he arrived. To summarize, gold on him was not good enough for him to be a carry or a mid and did not bring enough as a support outside of his ulti. He's still a niche pick and seems to be a good counter to orange line up. Let's see how it works out.

Silencer is the king of teamfights. LETS SHOW IT
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5130
On August 11 2013 10:34 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:33 Badboyrune wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:25 WindWolf wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

I've seen some pretty sick FGC matches that wouldn't be possible without the "starcraft BS"

Plus, it's called double elimination for a reason...


The starcraft bullshit is the extended series stuff, which people seem to confuse for standard double elimination when in fact it has nothing to do with it.

The whole idea behind double elim is that you get a second chance, you need to lose twice to get knocked out of the tournament. If you reach the grand finals through the winner bracket that means you haven't lost a game yet, so you need to lose once before you can be knocked out. The team from the losers bracket has obviously already lost once.

Extended series is a whole different thing.

And I understand why Valve runs it this way, but saying that it is de facto more fair to run it in a way where the team that has performed the best gets one less chance than the other team is just not true.

If you talked about extended series, be clear about it. I thought it was all about double-elimination double-grand-finals

the original guy was, as far as I can tell, talking about double elim, and was just being dumb
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5131
wait why the fuck are you offensive trilaning
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5132
On August 11 2013 10:35 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out

LAST CHINESE HOPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5133
On August 11 2013 10:35 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out

hee, chinese pride. :3c
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5134
THERE WE GO, nice guys.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5135
On August 11 2013 10:36 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:35 r.Evo wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out

LAST CHINESE HOPE

hahahahaha
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5136
On August 11 2013 10:30 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 Shikyo wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:13 JerKy wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:12 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:09 Iceman331 wrote:
NaVi playing so stupidly. They had it in the bag and fed it away.

You don't undestand Dota at higher level.
NaVi's strat was all-in. If they aren't able to rax [A] in 20 minutes, it's an autolose.

???? lol
the irony of what youre saying is hilarious

Where is the irony?

It wasn't an "all in take 20 minute rax" by any means.

Hm? It was about as allin as it gets

How. Luna is one of the stronger lategame carries, especially with overcharge. They had to get an early advantage, yes, but it's not like the game was inherently lost if they didnt end the game by 20 minutes

BKB Alchemist eats Luna alive.

Bkb Luna + wisp just lols and runs away until Alchi bkb is off. But it is a teamgame ... Nobody knows how it would have ended, but NaVi blew it with the rosh fight.
keep it deep! @zulison
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5137
I want both teams to win
Mushi's awesomeness is balanced by my admiration of Hao's ability to violently murder enemy heroes
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5138
On August 11 2013 10:35 goody153 wrote:
in case somebody doesnt know

alliance standing right now is 20-1

they only lost a single game to DK the entire tournament .. and i dont see anyone winning against them

That's awesome, no need to be sad.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5139
On August 11 2013 10:36 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:35 r.Evo wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out

LAST CHINESE HOPE

LETS FUCKING ROLL
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5140
On August 11 2013 10:33 Vankuga wrote:
I'm lovin Orange this tournament, the picks are awesome. go Orange.

I know right! Just love their versatility. Their Slardar pick was brilliant, let's see what they do with Sven.
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