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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5141
On August 11 2013 10:35 Kuroeeah wrote:
This series is going to be more exciting than Na'Vi vs Alliance, I can practically guarantee it.

That's not actually hard to guarantee. No team is playing ratdota as well and disciplined as Alliance.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#5142
TongFu tagged .cn
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
August 11 2013 01:37 GMT
#5143
17 different heroes for Mushi during Ti3. What a boss
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 11 2013 01:37 GMT
#5144
Mushi's SEVENTEENTH different hero?!? Holy shit.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
August 11 2013 01:37 GMT
#5145
On August 11 2013 10:35 GreYMisT wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:31 SolidMoose wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:27 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:25 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals.

I dunno about fair, but single series (maybe with a game advantage) is certainly fine for dota, and definitely the most fun option.

but its not "starcraft bullshit", it is literally the way most double elim tournaments are designe, all FGC tournaments for example are double elim with 2 round finals, and they get plenty hype

It's about the game type really. Fighting games do better in this type of tournament setup because of their nature, each match is "more exciting" and closer etc. In Starcraft it really feels that a 1 game or series advantage is way too much to overcome.

Which makes series significantly more boring


1 game advantage is ok, but something has to be done to give the winner bracket side an advantage since they haven't been eliminated once. I don't know if TI3 does that though.


The winner bracket has the advantage of not having to go through the losers bracket. Im sure its grueling

Not as much when you split up a tournament on this many days.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 11 2013 01:37 GMT
#5146
LET'S GO TONGFU, FOR CHINA!
Long live the King of Wings
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5147
oh man... i HOPE this game goes to late
i wanna see sven 2 shot people :D
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5148
Can't decide which draft I like the most.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5149
On August 11 2013 10:36 DavoS wrote:
I want both teams to win
Mushi's awesomeness is balanced by my admiration of Hao's ability to violently murder enemy heroes

yeah same, I'm really surprised by Orange's performance this year and their ability to come up with unorthodox drafts but Tong Fu is definitely their strongest opponents they have faced thus far even more so than DK.

Mushi is one of the best players in the world but we should really come up with a term everytime he does something ridiculously stupid in the late game.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5150
hmm I like Mushi on Puck more then the other way around

also wtf is Mushi most different heroes played?
WriterXiao8~~
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5151
On August 11 2013 10:36 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:36 Erasme wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:35 r.Evo wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out

LAST CHINESE HOPE

hahahahaha

Oh how the tides have turned in a short 12 months...

It feels nice ^_^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
bp1696
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States288 Posts
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5152
On August 11 2013 10:27 nojok wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:24 bp1696 wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:18 ladyumbra wrote:
Is alchemist Loda's best hero? How often can games honestly be lost just by letting a person have the hero they really want? Like obviously anything can happen and it's a team game but are some people just broken with certain heroes?

I still don't get all the intricacies of picking and banning but it seems like the LR thread is either joyous or frustrated severely based on choices being made.




Loda is actually good with several hard carries, but his play is almost textbook Alliance: safe, low risk, push your farming efficiency as much as possible, then teamfight. He prioritizes safety over everything else, which means he's not as high GPM as the legendary ricers like Burning, and it means he doesn't go for very flashy/high risk plays like Xboct does. But his play style really fits his team well, since they prefer to play a standard, solid style, pick the timing window when they have an advantage, and not let the other team dictate the pace of the game.

However, some people are broken with certain heroes like AdmiralBulldog and his LD play (and to a lesser extent his NP) is just a level above everyone else, making the ban phase really important (like if you ban out his good heroes, then you open up other good heroes for the other players on their team).

The other important thing that people forget is that because of their solid, safe playstyle, Alliance is not very afraid of a lot of "cheese" lineups. Like S4 said in their interview, they don't fear the wisp, because wisp play relies on players having imperfect game sense and map awareness, which all of Alliance's players really have. Thus, they don't have to counterpick heroes as much as other teams do.

I disagree with you on loda, he can really join the fray early, he's one of the fastest carry to use the TP scrolls. You should check loda play with PA if you have not seen it.


Sure he can join the fray early if his team needs it, I don't argue that. The reason he gets early TP scrolls though, is more to help out his team if they do decide to take an early fight, or if they're forced to defend a tower that they absolutely cannot lose (like in this Navi game 2 where the first time he joins his team is when Alliance pushes to the tier 3 early). But Alliance's overall style is to let him farm while they defend to get to the midgame, when they tend to dominate with well coordinated team fights.

My point is that his farming style is very dependent on who is showing on the map. He, more than other carries we've seen this tournament in my opinion, has good awareness of when the other team is coming to gank him and will play more conservatively at that point. On the other hand, when he sees that the other team is ganking somewhere else, will farm more aggressively. He is not unwilling to help come gank, but only if it's a team fight that everyone wants to commit to.

I haven't seen his PA games, I'm only basing this on what I've seen this tournament (which may or may not be his true style, but it's all I have to extrapolate with).
Sleep is for the fishes
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:39:11
August 11 2013 01:38 GMT
#5153
ORange has really made a fan out of me this tournament.
fresh chops
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
August 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#5154
On August 11 2013 10:36 zul wrote:
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On August 11 2013 10:30 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 Shikyo wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:13 JerKy wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:12 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:09 Iceman331 wrote:
NaVi playing so stupidly. They had it in the bag and fed it away.

You don't undestand Dota at higher level.
NaVi's strat was all-in. If they aren't able to rax [A] in 20 minutes, it's an autolose.

???? lol
the irony of what youre saying is hilarious

Where is the irony?

It wasn't an "all in take 20 minute rax" by any means.

Hm? It was about as allin as it gets

How. Luna is one of the stronger lategame carries, especially with overcharge. They had to get an early advantage, yes, but it's not like the game was inherently lost if they didnt end the game by 20 minutes

BKB Alchemist eats Luna alive.

Bkb Luna + wisp just lols and runs away until Alchi bkb is off.

First of all, [A] had Song. Secondly, all other team members die instantly even if escape succeeds.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#5155
On August 11 2013 10:37 On_Slaught wrote:
Mushi's SEVENTEENTH different hero?!? Holy shit.

Dat diversity
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#5156
On August 11 2013 10:38 Kittan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:36 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:36 Erasme wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:35 r.Evo wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:34 Nocticate wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:33 r.Evo wrote:
LOL THE NICKNAMES I LOVE YOU GUYS

wut?

they're all named .CN now that iG and DK are out

LAST CHINESE HOPE

hahahahaha

Oh how the tides have turned in a short 12 months...

It feels nice ^_^

both those teams have better chances to beat alliance compared to navi after those last games imo
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#5157
On August 11 2013 10:38 Kipsate wrote:
hmm I like Mushi on Puck more then the other way around

also wtf is Mushi most different heroes played?

Given that mushi likes to jump between mid and carry he's gonna have quite the variety.
Glorious SEA doto
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 01:39:55
August 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#5158
On August 11 2013 10:38 JerKy wrote:
oh man... i HOPE this game goes to late
i wanna see sven 2 shot people :D

[image loading]

plz
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 11 2013 01:39 GMT
#5159
KINGJ I BELIEVE
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 11 2013 01:40 GMT
#5160
On August 11 2013 10:37 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 10:35 GreYMisT wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:31 SolidMoose wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:27 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:25 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:23 mordk wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:22 MCDayC wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:21 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 10:19 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't think Alliance can lose at this point they will have to lose two Bo5 in the grand finals... They have dropped a set yet.



Yeah, we don't have that starcraft bullshit in dota, it's a single bo5.

lol ''starcraft bullshit'' = the standard way to run a double elimination tournament

Nah, single series is good, fair, and fun. At most a 1 game advantage would be tolerable, anything else is ridiculous for a grand finals.

I dunno about fair, but single series (maybe with a game advantage) is certainly fine for dota, and definitely the most fun option.

but its not "starcraft bullshit", it is literally the way most double elim tournaments are designe, all FGC tournaments for example are double elim with 2 round finals, and they get plenty hype

It's about the game type really. Fighting games do better in this type of tournament setup because of their nature, each match is "more exciting" and closer etc. In Starcraft it really feels that a 1 game or series advantage is way too much to overcome.

Which makes series significantly more boring


1 game advantage is ok, but something has to be done to give the winner bracket side an advantage since they haven't been eliminated once. I don't know if TI3 does that though.


The winner bracket has the advantage of not having to go through the losers bracket. Im sure its grueling

Not as much when you split up a tournament on this many days.


you're right. so I don't think Alliance is in any advantage despite them not falling to lower bracket at all
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