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[TI3] Playoffs Day 5 - Page 201

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PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
August 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#4001
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks

Zenith and Orange are not playing chinese doto, sir.
the farm ends here
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#4002
On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.

The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.

So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.

Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.




Is this serious?

Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd.

There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't.

Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0.

That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed.
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
August 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#4003
On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.

The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.

So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.

Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.




Is this serious?

Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd.

There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't.


That group stage is to pick 8 teams to be put in Upper Bracket and 8 teams to be put in Lower Bracket.

This playoff is to put 2 teams in the Grand Finals and 14 teams to be eliminated.

Between teams in the lower bracket, there is no score advantage despite some teams winning more than the others ( IG vs DK started 0-0 despite IG being 8-6 and DK 10-4).

Therefore in the grand finals there should be no score advantage also.

of course there are other non score advantages like being able to pick your opponents or being well rested and are able to save strats and analyze more of your opponents.
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
August 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#4004
On August 12 2013 07:56 WindWolf wrote:
Lol @ixmike's twitter

well he has a point :D
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
August 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#4005
On August 12 2013 07:57 Gentso wrote:
Did that guy just say Chinese varied their picks? WHAT LOL

ofc. they do: sometimes they play alchemist mid, sometimes support, sometimes carry. see? variation.
keep it deep! @zulison
Knight79
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany35 Posts
August 11 2013 22:59 GMT
#4006
Thats the problem of an usual dota 2 game with his natural lenght and diversity in his picks,the chance of pulling a strategy from the sleeves is the highest in a bestof5,even if its for a 800k $ difference matchup
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
August 11 2013 22:59 GMT
#4007
Orange had a good run, would have liked to see them in finals. Hopefully they aren't going through shuffle and keep going at it, a team that makes a Slardar pick work is awesome in my book.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 22:59 GMT
#4008
On August 12 2013 07:56 cchriss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:56 Mataza wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:54 blobrus wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks

Navi boring? Rofl.

orange, Zenith, Mufc = Pinoy doto
Mostly malaysian though.


Fu

Ok, it's SEA. There are no pinoy dota teams though, so maybe everyone else should stop talking about teams that don't exist?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
August 11 2013 22:59 GMT
#4009
On August 12 2013 07:57 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks

Dendi pudge is boring?

I don't wanna live on this planet anymore...

From time to time, he is boring, he just keeps destroying people like they are AI Bots.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 23:00:17
August 11 2013 23:00 GMT
#4010
On August 12 2013 07:59 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:56 cchriss wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:56 Mataza wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:54 blobrus wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks

Navi boring? Rofl.

orange, Zenith, Mufc = Pinoy doto
Mostly malaysian though.


Fu

Ok, it's SEA. There are no pinoy dota teams though, so maybe everyone else should stop talking about teams that don't exist?

Mineski and dreamz pls.
Never 5get dagon 3 puck against vici gaming.
Glorious SEA doto
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
August 11 2013 23:00 GMT
#4011
On August 12 2013 07:58 Yoshi- wrote:
Do we really need to see all those recaps


At least they don't play music and have a countdown screen as many other tournaments.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 23:00 GMT
#4012
On August 12 2013 07:58 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:57 Gentso wrote:
Did that guy just say Chinese varied their picks? WHAT LOL

ofc. they do: sometimes they play alchemist mid, sometimes support, sometimes carry. see? variation.

fixed it for you
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 11 2013 23:00 GMT
#4013
On August 12 2013 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.

The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.

So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.

Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.




Is this serious?

Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd.

There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't.

Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0.

That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed.

How about the 3 teams who finished 8-6 and only 1 had to play against Na`vi, the top seed?
DustbinBieber
Profile Joined April 2013
France276 Posts
August 11 2013 23:00 GMT
#4014
On August 12 2013 07:57 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:55 DustbinBieber wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks


Alliance are boring, but Na'Vi?
L O L

State one subjective fact and then laugh at another. You want a cookie?


"from Sweden", talk subjectivity.
I find the Alliance boring in that they've become a winning machine, also I love the plays but can hardly stand the players (EGM especially has the right number to get on my nerves), sorry we don't share the same opinion.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 11 2013 23:00 GMT
#4015
On August 12 2013 08:00 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:58 Yoshi- wrote:
Do we really need to see all those recaps


At least they don't play music and have a countdown screen as many other tournaments.

I think he wants more Kaci.
© Current year.
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
August 11 2013 23:01 GMT
#4016
yes navi are boring

if they don't get chen then there'll be no pudge and then they'll probably pick

dendi only plays puck or sf

hvost only plays naix or weaver

funnik only plays windrunner or dark seer

they only deviate when they get chen

alliance i don't even have to list them ugly boring rat dota with loda and bulldog farming for 30 minutes into gg with akke on chen and egm on naga

only player who has variety in his heroes is s4
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
August 11 2013 23:01 GMT
#4017
On August 12 2013 08:00 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 08:00 Grettin wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:58 Yoshi- wrote:
Do we really need to see all those recaps


At least they don't play music and have a countdown screen as many other tournaments.

I think he wants more Kaci.


Sure, who wouldn't. My point was that despite a long break, atleast they have some content other than what we've seen in numerous other tournaments. (in SC2 or Dota2)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 23:02:40
August 11 2013 23:01 GMT
#4018
On August 12 2013 08:00 DustbinBieber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:57 gruff wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:55 DustbinBieber wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks


Alliance are boring, but Na'Vi?
L O L

State one subjective fact and then laugh at another. You want a cookie?


"from Sweden", talk subjectivity.
I find the Alliance boring in that they've become a winning machine, also I love the plays but can hardly stand the players (EGM especially has the right number to get on my nerves), sorry we don't share the same opinion.
"from France", talk subjectively.

Look how effective this is. Go to reddit if you're not interested in what others say.
Once you Goblak...
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
August 11 2013 23:02 GMT
#4019
On August 12 2013 07:58 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.

at least the chinese teams varied their picks

Zenith and Orange are not playing chinese doto, sir.

i never said they did..?
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
August 11 2013 23:02 GMT
#4020
On August 12 2013 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.

The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.

So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.

Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.




Is this serious?

Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd.

There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't.

Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0.

That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed.

Nobody guarantees that a team with a spotless record in prelims is a huge favorite, just look at LGD last year.

And by beating a high seed your part of the bracket opens up, as we witnessed this week in Montreal Masters (tennis).
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