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On August 12 2013 07:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:51 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 07:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 12 2013 07:34 superstartran wrote:
The WR draft cost them the game. Should have picked Slardar or another phys dps anti carry. ...? And then the whole game fucking changes because they have to defensive trilane and/or babysit the slardar all game instead of roaming with their 2 supports which was a big reason why they got that early game advantage. They had advantage in lanes from the start no matter what hero they ran, Lifestealer was gonna lose to OD and the tri-lane was gonna beat Dendi. Except to actually WIN that lane against dendi the supports would have to stay bottom 100% of the early game and meanwhile enigma is farming fast as shit. Slardar will eventually get pushed out by the puck and the fear of enigma + nyx ganks.
Dendi had like 6/6 cs at 10 mins, I seriously doubt he could beat a Slardar 3 levels ahead of him. Not to mention Puppey was already rotating without any ganks from Orange because Lifestealer was getting raped middle.
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My DOTA2 network can't be found!
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rotk looks he wants to kill someone
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On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks
Navi boring? Rofl.
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On August 12 2013 07:54 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:53 icystorage wrote:On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks wat?! Maybe he thinks orange and zenith are Chinese.
asians = chinese, CIS = russians
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When does it start? Deciding whether or not to go eat.
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On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks
Alliance are boring, but Na'Vi?
L O L
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loving this tournament, every year! The plays, the emotions, the crowd, the whole package is amazing to watch. <3
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On August 12 2013 07:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:51 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 07:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 12 2013 07:34 superstartran wrote:
The WR draft cost them the game. Should have picked Slardar or another phys dps anti carry. ...? And then the whole game fucking changes because they have to defensive trilane and/or babysit the slardar all game instead of roaming with their 2 supports which was a big reason why they got that early game advantage. They had advantage in lanes from the start no matter what hero they ran, Lifestealer was gonna lose to OD and the tri-lane was gonna beat Dendi. Except to actually WIN that lane against dendi the supports would have to stay bottom 100% of the early game and meanwhile enigma is farming fast as shit. Slardar will eventually get pushed out by the puck and the fear of enigma + nyx ganks.
No one actually fears enigmas ganking.
His stun is pretty meh and his ultimate has longest cd in the game.
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On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks
Navi never vary their pics?
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On August 12 2013 07:54 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:52 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 07:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 12 2013 07:45 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 07:42 Galek wrote:On August 12 2013 07:40 nojok wrote:On August 12 2013 07:39 tomatriedes wrote:On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.
Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked. No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time. Agreed. Disagreed. Well Alliance would play 2 games instead of 3 no big deal in this specific finals I wouldn't like that for the 1 game advantage. I think that it should be a Bo7 with Alliance having a 1 game advantage. That way we have 3-6 games, so only 1 more than now, with just 1 possibility for that. "No one likes advantages", well how about the advantage that Na'Vi is still in the tournament after losing a series? Explain to me how Orange got 3rd place after losing 6 games in prelims? Prelims? No one was eliminated in prelims. Even MUFC was in. Grasping to straws much? Teams were eliminated in the bracket, after losing twice. Everyone but Alliance, that is. Who did the best. This means that you give a disadvantage to the team who did the best. I can think of this as a qualifier for the grand finals, in which case I just think that this is a really really bad tournament format but at least won't be outright wrong. There is no disadvantage in starting series off with a 0-0.
There is a disadvantage in not being able to lose a series.
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The production value is through the roof
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On August 12 2013 07:48 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:44 Ianuus wrote:On August 12 2013 07:34 Kishin2 wrote:On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic. so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team. The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end. That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that. Not true. The gold lead wasn't large at all. Experience was ~10k even though Orange had an over 10 kill advantage. The deny was definitely unfortunate, but Na'Vi showed greater composure and deserve it. Aegis is the best counter to BKBs. You heard what puppey said, focus the OD and the bane, ignore everyone else even if they get kills. What happens when OD has aegis and you blow your ults and BKBs on his first life? He comes back, ults your team, kills 2 or 3 of them, mops up the rest and takes your rax. OJ could have used their earlygame advantage gained by poor play by Na'vi and taken high ground with the aegis, but yeah. Missing the aegis means missing the timing push, which is the backbone of Orange's strategy and really crucial due to Navi's better lategame draft. Na'vi didn't do anything extraordinary to win, not like the epic fountain hooks against Tongfu, and even failed hard early game. This game is a pure throw by Orange, and the band of Navi fanboys denying this just shows that most of them don't know jack about dota and just like Navi because Dendi picks pudge once in a while. + Show Spoiler + I miss LOH and AA too. Still no reason to say Na'vi didn't do anything extraordinary. Orange were incredbily far ahead. 15-25k in both exp and gold. If it was so easy to execute a good teamfight, more people would pick enigma and bounty.
Come on man, basic dota analysis - you can't just look at the two heros in isolation. When you consider the drafts on both teams, it was pretty easy to get a good teamfight in once enough of Navi get BKBs. Orange almost made sure that didn't happen (also due to Navi's poor laning stage performance), but then denied the aegis.
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and how doesn't alliance varie in their pciks
wat
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On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.
The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.
So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.
Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.
Is this serious?
Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd.
There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't.
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On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks
What International did you watch and where can I see it?
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On August 12 2013 07:52 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:51 Scio wrote:On August 12 2013 07:50 hifriend wrote:
I'm rooting for alliance but I'm happy about the no game advantage. It makes for less exciting finals and I want alliance to win on equal terms. typo? Extended series makes for less exciting, and he is happy that there isn't an extended series. prefectly fine sentence.
Yeah you are right......its late as you well know^^
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On August 12 2013 07:53 Y wrote:
Don't care who wins now, but hoping for awesome plays. Gimme some Invoker, Pugna, Pudge, Morphling, any of that stuff please!
Completely agree with this post. I am rooting for Na`Vi, but this is grand finals, I am glad that two EU teams have reached it, and at this point, I really just want to enjoy the amazing DotA. Saying that, Alliance will probably win. 
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On August 12 2013 07:54 blobrus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks Navi boring? Rofl.
orange, Zenith, Mufc = Pinoy doto
Mostly malaysian though.
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