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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 11 2013 22:51 GMT
#3921
On August 12 2013 07:45 Shikyo wrote:
"No one likes advantages", well how about the advantage that Na'Vi is still in the tournament after losing a series?


Countered by the disadvantage of having to go through an extra series that Alliance didn't have to play. Breaks even.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 11 2013 22:51 GMT
#3922
On August 12 2013 07:46 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

I disagree with all of you, Orange wouldve won that game with that aegis.


Seriously, people underestimate how huge of that aegis deny did to the players mind, sea players are especially 'weak' in that department.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 11 2013 22:51 GMT
#3923
On August 12 2013 07:46 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

I disagree with all of you, Orange wouldve won that game with that aegis.

I'm not supposed to agree with you, Erasme.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 22:51:54
August 11 2013 22:51 GMT
#3924
On August 12 2013 07:48 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:45 Plexa wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.

The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.

So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.

Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.



Excellent mindset for this format.


Agreed, would give +

I can't change my mindset, I'm so used to CS format for which is really great, like 1 bo3 advantage for winner and when the ones coming from the loser bracket take the 2 bo3 it's such an epic win. Anyway I deal with it, I'm looking for good games
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 11 2013 22:51 GMT
#3925
literally no one likes extended series
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 11 2013 22:51 GMT
#3926
I'm rooting for the 1 million dollar minute 0 roshan that's been planned for months.

(probably won't happen)
Once you Goblak...
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3927
Natus Vincere Chaos Engaged, nothing new there.
I have to go to Uni now and die a little inside not being able to catch the final, definitely gonna be lurking my phone and the LR thread all day
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3928
With the Aegis, Orange would have been in a much better position. Kyxy and ohaiyo would both get their Hex up. In general, they will all get further item progression. Navi doesn't have room to farm as fast. Majority of their items came from track gold.

I wouldn't count Orange out just because they only have an OD. Naix can get kited, and BH isn't that great damage wise unless Navi wins fights. Either way, OD ulti just rapes Puck/Nyx, and if Puppey never gets good Blackholes, Navi can never lock down OD well with all the pseudo disables Orange have.
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3929
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


Why the hell would they give them an advantage? that's just plain stupid because Na'Vi had to go losers bracket and win in the losers bracket, they have already been punished for losing in the winners bracket, why would they get another punishment in the final?
Retvets
Profile Joined April 2013
1781 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3930
Just hope good aggresive dota in the grand final, and not boring plays
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3931
Nice surprise rofl
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3932
On August 12 2013 07:51 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:46 Erasme wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

I disagree with all of you, Orange wouldve won that game with that aegis.


Seriously, people underestimate how huge of that aegis deny did to the players mind, sea players are especially 'weak' in that department.


Well, then that weakness lost them the game. Better work on that.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3933
On August 12 2013 07:51 Scio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:50 hifriend wrote:
I'm rooting for alliance but I'm happy about the no game advantage. It makes for less exciting finals and I want alliance to win on equal terms.


typo?

Extended series makes for less exciting, and he is happy that there isn't an extended series. prefectly fine sentence.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 22:53:02
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3934
On August 12 2013 07:51 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:46 Erasme wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

I disagree with all of you, Orange wouldve won that game with that aegis.

I'm not supposed to agree with you, Erasme.

Who cares about what you say tho, plainsix is saying that the best player is right, therefore im right.
;p
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3935
On August 12 2013 07:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:45 Shikyo wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:42 Galek wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:40 nojok wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:39 tomatriedes wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time.


Agreed.

Disagreed.

Well Alliance would play 2 games instead of 3 no big deal in this specific finals

I wouldn't like that for the 1 game advantage.

I think that it should be a Bo7 with Alliance having a 1 game advantage. That way we have 3-6 games, so only 1 more than now, with just 1 possibility for that.

"No one likes advantages", well how about the advantage that Na'Vi is still in the tournament after losing a series?

Explain to me how Orange got 3rd place after losing 6 games in prelims?

Prelims? No one was eliminated in prelims. Even MUFC was in. Grasping to straws much? Teams were eliminated in the bracket, after losing twice. Everyone but Alliance, that is. Who did the best. This means that you give a disadvantage to the team who did the best.

I can think of this as a qualifier for the grand finals, in which case I just think that this is a really really bad tournament format but at least won't be outright wrong.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#3936
On August 12 2013 07:44 Ianuus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:34 Kishin2 wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

Not true. The gold lead wasn't large at all. Experience was ~10k even though Orange had an over 10 kill advantage. The deny was definitely unfortunate, but Na'Vi showed greater composure and deserve it.


Aegis is the best counter to BKBs. You heard what puppey said, focus the OD and the bane, ignore everyone else even if they get kills. What happens when OD has aegis and you blow your ults and BKBs on his first life? He comes back, ults your team, kills 2 or 3 of them, mops up the rest and takes your rax. OJ could have used their earlygame advantage gained by poor play by Na'vi and taken high ground with the aegis, but yeah.

Missing the aegis means missing the timing push, which is the backbone of Orange's strategy and really crucial due to Navi's better lategame draft. Na'vi didn't do anything extraordinary to win, not like the epic fountain hooks against Tongfu, and even failed hard early game. This game is a pure throw by Orange, and the band of Navi fanboys denying this just shows that most of them don't know jack about dota and just like Navi because Dendi picks pudge once in a while.

+ Show Spoiler +
Man I miss LightofHeaven


+1
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 11 2013 22:53 GMT
#3937
On August 12 2013 07:51 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:34 superstartran wrote:
The WR draft cost them the game. Should have picked Slardar or another phys dps anti carry.

...? And then the whole game fucking changes because they have to defensive trilane and/or babysit the slardar all game instead of roaming with their 2 supports which was a big reason why they got that early game advantage.



They had advantage in lanes from the start no matter what hero they ran, Lifestealer was gonna lose to OD and the tri-lane was gonna beat Dendi.

Except to actually WIN that lane against dendi the supports would have to stay bottom 100% of the early game and meanwhile enigma is farming fast as shit. Slardar will eventually get pushed out by the puck and the fear of enigma + nyx ganks.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
August 11 2013 22:53 GMT
#3938
On August 12 2013 07:52 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Natus Vincere Chaos Engaged, nothing new there.
I have to go to Uni now and die a little inside not being able to catch the final, definitely gonna be lurking my phone and the LR thread all day

I have to go to bed so I can be awake at uni tomorrow.. know the feeling
"Yeah buddy"
Y
Profile Joined May 2013
254 Posts
August 11 2013 22:53 GMT
#3939
Don't care who wins now, but hoping for awesome plays. Gimme some Invoker, Pugna, Pudge, Morphling, any of that stuff please!
parano1d.
Profile Joined August 2010
271 Posts
August 11 2013 22:53 GMT
#3940
On August 12 2013 07:51 teapoted wrote:
I'm rooting for the 1 million dollar minute 0 roshan that's been planned for months.

(probably won't happen)



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