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On August 12 2013 08:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:58 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.
The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.
So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.
Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.
Is this serious? Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd. There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't. Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0. That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed. How about the 3 teams who finished 8-6 and only 1 had to play against Na`vi, the top seed?
Alliance should have been the top seed. 3 worst teams play vs the 3 best teams. You cannot be serious?
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On August 12 2013 07:58 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:57 Gentso wrote:
Did that guy just say Chinese varied their picks? WHAT LOL ofc. they do: sometimes they play alchemist mid, sometimes support, sometimes carry. see? variation. 
loled. Zenith and orange had nice picks but they aren't chinese, maybe we can call them eastern. And they call us fanboys racists!
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I think they realize some people might watch the grand final or at least only the last day so these recaps are good to inform them of the whole storyline.
Do the people in TV6 see this also? or they just observe through the game and have their own production
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On August 12 2013 07:58 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.
The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.
So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.
Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.
Is this serious? Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd. There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't. That group stage is to pick 8 teams to be put in Upper Bracket and 8 teams to be put in Lower Bracket. This playoff is to put 2 teams in the Grand Finals and 14 teams to be eliminated. Between teams in the lower bracket, there is no score advantage despite some teams winning more than the others ( IG vs DK started 0-0 despite IG being 8-6 and DK 10-4). Therefore in the grand finals there should be no score advantage also. of course there are other non score advantages like being able to pick your opponents or being well rested and are able to save strats and analyze more of your opponents.
If the formats were similiar, the second qualifiers should put one half of the teams in the winners' bracket and one half in the losers' bracket for the grand finals.
Which is how it would go in a properly done tournament format. As you see, doing well in the qualifiers gives you an advantage. In a proper format, that is.
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On August 12 2013 08:00 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:59 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 07:56 cchriss wrote:On August 12 2013 07:56 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 07:54 blobrus wrote:On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks Navi boring? Rofl. orange, Zenith, Mufc = Pinoy doto Mostly malaysian though. Fu Ok, it's SEA. There are no pinoy dota teams though, so maybe everyone else should stop talking about teams that don't exist? Mineski and dreamz pls. Never 5get dagon 3 puck against vici gaming.
I'm talking out of my ass, sorry. Never heard of them outside of Ti3 qualifiers though.
I'll try to talk less wrong things
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One person says Na'vi is boring and everyone goes apeshit hahaha
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On August 12 2013 08:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 07:58 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.
The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.
So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.
Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.
Is this serious? Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd. There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't. Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0. That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed. How about the 3 teams who finished 8-6 and only 1 had to play against Na`vi, the top seed?
Oh and this too.
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Fly still seems happy!
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On August 12 2013 08:03 potatomash3r wrote:
One person says Na'vi is boring and everyone goes apeshit hahaha
He had a point though, the Na'Vi vs A games were boring as shit.
Alliance played amazing ratdoto, but it was still boring to watch.
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i mean if you guys think watching naix bombs over and over aren't boring then we can agree to disagree
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On August 12 2013 08:03 potatomash3r wrote:
One person says Na'vi is boring and everyone goes apeshit hahaha
Haha, after his last post I realize he's just trolling.
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On August 12 2013 08:02 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 12 2013 07:58 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.
The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.
So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.
Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.
Is this serious? Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd. There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't. Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0. That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed. How about the 3 teams who finished 8-6 and only 1 had to play against Na`vi, the top seed? Alliance should have been the top seed. 3 worst teams play vs the 3 best teams. You cannot be serious?
? I don't think you understand how this tournament works.
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On August 12 2013 08:01 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:00 DustbinBieber wrote:On August 12 2013 07:57 gruff wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 DustbinBieber wrote:On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks Alliance are boring, but Na'Vi? L O L State one subjective fact and then laugh at another. You want a cookie? "from Sweden", talk subjectivity. I find the Alliance boring in that they've become a winning machine, also I love the plays but can hardly stand the players (EGM especially has the right number to get on my nerves), sorry we don't share the same opinion. "from France", talk subjectively. Look how effective this is. Go to reddit if you're not interested in what others say.
Is there a French team in TI3 now?
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I can't believe some people are bringing up that there are boring teams, all the teams have bring some great games even if sometimes they shackled themselves a bit during those 80K+$ dollars games. It has been an amazing tournament with lots of great games, better than the usual TPL, SL, TD (which are already good).
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On August 12 2013 08:02 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:00 Fusilero wrote:On August 12 2013 07:59 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 07:56 cchriss wrote:On August 12 2013 07:56 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 07:54 blobrus wrote:On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks Navi boring? Rofl. orange, Zenith, Mufc = Pinoy doto Mostly malaysian though. Fu Ok, it's SEA. There are no pinoy dota teams though, so maybe everyone else should stop talking about teams that don't exist? Mineski and dreamz pls. Never 5get dagon 3 puck against vici gaming. I'm talking out of my ass, sorry. Never heard of them outside of Ti3 qualifiers though. I'll try to talk less wrong things
Don't worry, Pinoy doto is irrelevant.
EDIT: I tried to make a joke, but it ended up being a terrible one. 
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On August 12 2013 08:03 WindWolf wrote:Fly still seems happy!
well they did great in this international
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On August 12 2013 08:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:02 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 08:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 12 2013 07:58 Shikyo wrote:On August 12 2013 07:57 Abominous wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
For those complaining about the format, the way to see it is this way.
The whole playoffs were not to pick the winner. It is to pick the top 2 teams who will play in a grand final. It's a 2 separate stage in the tournament.
So there are actually 3 stages in the tournament which is groupstage, playoff, grand finals.Each stage is separate.
Teams who did better in group stage didn't start with a 1-0 advantage in the playoff as well despite winning more games.
Is this serious? Yeah, they didn't get a 1-0 advantage, they got a 2-0 advantage. They started in the upper bracket and other teams started in the lower bracket, the equivalent in the format of getting 2-0'd. There was a huge advantage to doing well in the prelims, it's really weird that you try to make it sound like there wasn't. Yeah, a team with a 9-5 record (lets not count the tiebreaker) was in the exact same part of the bracket against a team with 14-0. That team was seeded worse. If you're ever played in a tournament you might be aware that it's a gigantic disadvantage to play vs #1 seed first instead of vs the #8 seed. How about the 3 teams who finished 8-6 and only 1 had to play against Na`vi, the top seed? Alliance should have been the top seed. 3 worst teams play vs the 3 best teams. You cannot be serious? ? I don't think you understand how this tournament works.
If Alliance went 14-0 in the qualifiers, they should have been the top seed for the bracket.
Was this not the case, then?
Though you're correct, I don't understand how this tournament works and how this format got through but whatever. It's only unfair if Na'Vi wins, and they won't.
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On August 12 2013 08:04 cchriss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:02 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 08:00 Fusilero wrote:On August 12 2013 07:59 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 07:56 cchriss wrote:On August 12 2013 07:56 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 07:54 blobrus wrote:On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks Navi boring? Rofl. orange, Zenith, Mufc = Pinoy doto Mostly malaysian though. Fu Ok, it's SEA. There are no pinoy dota teams though, so maybe everyone else should stop talking about teams that don't exist? Mineski and dreamz pls. Never 5get dagon 3 puck against vici gaming. I'm talking out of my ass, sorry. Never heard of them outside of Ti3 qualifiers though. I'll try to talk less wrong things Don't worry, Pinoy doto is irrelevant.
LOL, more out of ass talking
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On August 12 2013 08:04 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:01 teapoted wrote:On August 12 2013 08:00 DustbinBieber wrote:On August 12 2013 07:57 gruff wrote:On August 12 2013 07:55 DustbinBieber wrote:On August 12 2013 07:53 hyptonic wrote:
so disappointing as a spectator that the two most boring teams besides mouz make it to the final.
at least the chinese teams varied their picks Alliance are boring, but Na'Vi? L O L State one subjective fact and then laugh at another. You want a cookie? "from Sweden", talk subjectivity. I find the Alliance boring in that they've become a winning machine, also I love the plays but can hardly stand the players (EGM especially has the right number to get on my nerves), sorry we don't share the same opinion. "from France", talk subjectively. Look how effective this is. Go to reddit if you're not interested in what others say. Is there a French team in TI3 now?
Thanks
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