[DreamLeague] Day 3 Kick-off Season Finals - Page 29

On December 01 2013 05:04 TheYango wrote:

The causal relationship is important here. Seeing 5 Midases in a game is not what's boring. Seeing 5 Midases and people farming for 5-10 minutes with them (or alternatively just losing the game when they can't win a fight) is boring. But the question is, are people farming for 5-10 minutes because they're buying Midas because it's too strong? Or are they buying Midas because some other factor compels them to farm for 5-10 minutes, and Midas is naturally the item to buy for that? Because if it's the latter, nerfing Midas won't stop people from farming for 5-10 minutes, which is the real gameplay problem that bothers people.

It's not that I think fixing the symptom is worse--I think fixing the symptom doesn't do ANYTHING. Nerfing or removing Midas doesn't alter the need for a farming phase to build up a larger item advantage before pushing. In fact, without a tool to accelerate farm from an advantage, it's actually possible that the farming phase could be even more drawn out.

On December 01 2013 05:00 SKC wrote:

The question is whether you can easily fix that lull in the action. It's mostly because of the increase in difficulty of pushing into higher tiers of towers, requiring the winning team to play passive and prepare better before pushing. A change that promotes pushing your advantage immediatly may also cause the game to be more snowbally and diminish the defenders advantage that creates amazing comebacks and great games. Changing Midas is a easier and less impactfull choice than changing the core of how the game is played, specially so soon after a major patch. It's a safer choice and I really wouldn't be surprised to see it nerfed.

On December 01 2013 05:05 WindWolf wrote:
In-game lagging for anyone else?

On December 01 2013 05:06 ymir233 wrote:


The reason why midas isn't punished as well and passive play is preferred instead is that people are still pretty sloppy in timings in Dota 2 (as well as timings being more fuzzy overall within the game), so if you don't have too many overlapping midases it's hard to punish when you don't know the timings unless you're constantly roaming around causing pressure/chaos like Na'Vi do. I'm not sure if I would support a midas change just because people are too lazy to learn more precise timings.

On December 01 2013 04:48 SKC wrote:

Support gold exists, and it can be quite meaningful. But you get it from being near a kill instead of getting an assist.

On December 01 2013 05:07 SKC wrote:

You are saying nothing needs to be fixed. Yango is saying the core gameplay needs to be fixed, not Midas. Diferent things.

On December 01 2013 05:05 SKC wrote:
And wasn't it common for teams to farm for 5-10 minutes or a Rosh before pushing high ground before the Midas craze? Yet far less people complained about it than they do about Midas. It's a much harder issue to fix.

On December 01 2013 05:09 Faruko wrote:
One "off-topic" question, whats the typical age Dota 2 players retire ? Loda/Xboct are 25

On December 01 2013 05:07 Manit0u wrote:


And that's the problem. With you getting gold from assist (as opposed to being near the kill) it's much easier for squishy supports to get it.

On December 01 2013 05:07 Manit0u wrote:


And that's the problem. With you getting gold from assist (as opposed to being near the kill) it's much easier for squishy supports to get it.

On December 01 2013 05:09 Faruko wrote:
One "off-topic" question, whats the typical age Dota/Dota2 players retire ? Loda/Xboct are 25

On December 01 2013 05:09 Faruko wrote:
One "off-topic" question, whats the typical age Dota/Dota2 players retire ? Loda/Xboct are 25