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On December 01 2013 04:28 trinxified wrote:
Hence why Midas ruins games now. Imagine if item was removed. Heroes will actually get their core items now without having to debate if Midas is better.
I dont agree. The midas gives the supports more farm, making the game more dynamic. There is more damage then just a carry, semi carry. I think midas is a blessing for supports and a more dynamic dota2 teamfight.
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On December 01 2013 04:36 h0munkulus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:35 Blackfish wrote:
Why is there always such a big break between dota games? I mean sc2 pro's do not need 20 min+ breaks after every single game? Is it cause one game is so much longer normally? I don't get it either. At TI it was 2-5 mins. but all other LAN events have 15-20 minutes between games. It's really bad 
Yeah man... Thats proly the reason there are Bo3 most of the time and only Bo5 finals... Dota tourneys would have to be held over multipale weekends otherwise^^
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
I think the midas gaming is going to die off at least partially. I think this game Fnatic lost it partially because of the midases. They had a strong early game, but fell off midlane. Having 6k gold in just midases had to have a part in that.
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On December 01 2013 04:37 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:28 trinxified wrote:
Hence why Midas ruins games now. Imagine if item was removed. Heroes will actually get their core items now without having to debate if Midas is better. I dont agree. The midas gives the supports more farm, making the game more dynamic. There is more damage then just a carry, semi carry. I think midas is a blessing for supports and a more dynamic dota2 teamfight.
Exactly, i love Midas and the extra gold in 6.79, the problem is that teams thinks they can get away with it, if you are sacrificing much more important items like a Blink dagger or Mek, its just not worth it and will lose you games if the other team recognize this ! (they are going to push and get the utility items you lack)
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is the stream not working for anyone else?
other twitch streams work fine
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United States47024 Posts
Really, the question isn't about whether Midas should be nerfed or removed. The item's been the same for ages. There's zero reason why you'd consider it to be the problem.
Really if Midas is so popular it's indicative of a game where you have a lull in the action that's long enough to make getting them on so many people good (i.e. T1s are easy to push down, but T2s are difficult to do so without farming a much larger item advantage). The question shouldn't be whether Midas should be nerfed, but whether mass Midas is indicative of a larger issue in how the game plays right now. Mass Midas is simply a symptom of this.
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On December 01 2013 04:42 hooahah wrote:is the stream not working for anyone else? other twitch streams work fine
working fine
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On December 01 2013 04:42 hooahah wrote:is the stream not working for anyone else? other twitch streams work fine
Do you get the "video loading" thing and the screen is gray?
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This is taking longer than those tactical GSL finals commercial breaks.
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On December 01 2013 04:37 Saber_Rider wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:35 Blackfish wrote:
Why is there always such a big break between dota games? I mean sc2 pro's do not need 20 min+ breaks after every single game? Is it cause one game is so much longer normally? It's cause of TV i think. They have an interview with Era on swedish tv now so
wait this is on tv ? cool 
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On December 01 2013 04:43 TheYango wrote:
Really, the question isn't about whether Midas should be nerfed or removed. The item's been the same for ages. There's zero reason why you'd consider it to be the problem.
Really if Midas is so popular it's indicative of a game where you have a lull in the action that's long enough to make getting them on so many people good (i.e. T1s are easy to push down, but T2s are difficult to do so without farming a much larger item advantage). The question shouldn't be whether Midas should be nerfed, but whether mass Midas is indicative of a larger issue in how the game plays right now. Mass Midas is simply a symptom of this.
Exactly this.
Also it's a bit of a fad at the minute.
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On December 01 2013 04:44 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:42 hooahah wrote:is the stream not working for anyone else? other twitch streams work fine Do you get the "video loading" thing and the screen is gray?
i get the video loading thing .. whats the fix to this ? it does return but takes like a minute or so which normally returns after 5 sec or so
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On December 01 2013 04:44 Elurie wrote:
This is taking longer than those tactical GSL finals commercial breaks.
Haha yeah when someone is up 3-0 they just start spamming everything
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On December 01 2013 04:43 TheYango wrote:
Really, the question isn't about whether Midas should be nerfed or removed. The item's been the same for ages. There's zero reason why you'd consider it to be the problem.
Really if Midas is so popular it's indicative of a game where you have a lull in the action that's long enough to make getting them good (i.e. T1s are easy to push down, but T2s are difficult to do so without farming a much larger item advantage). The question shouldn't be whether Midas should be nerfed, but whether mass Midas is indicative of a larger issue in how the game plays right now. Mass Midas is simply a symptom of this.
It's so nice to have icefrog on the forum to share the hindsight. I think I would be half less good at dota without your comments.
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On December 01 2013 04:37 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:28 trinxified wrote:
Hence why Midas ruins games now. Imagine if item was removed. Heroes will actually get their core items now without having to debate if Midas is better. I dont agree. The midas gives the supports more farm, making the game more dynamic. There is more damage then just a carry, semi carry. I think midas is a blessing for supports and a more dynamic dota2 teamfight.
They should do it the way HoN did. Support gold for kills. You get the gold (and it's as much as 150g) if you participated in the kill (if you hit the hero that dies later with one auto-attack for example or if you cast a spell on him). And you get this gold regardless if you're anywhere near the kill (you can even be dead at the time). This helps supports with their farm immensely and makes for faster item progression overall and thus more dynamic environment.
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Same bans from fnatic, CM/LS from Na'Vi.
Ok.
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On December 01 2013 04:46 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:44 Lucumo wrote:On December 01 2013 04:42 hooahah wrote:is the stream not working for anyone else? other twitch streams work fine Do you get the "video loading" thing and the screen is gray? i get the video loading thing .. whats the fix to this ? it does return but takes like a minute or so which normally returns after 5 sec or so
No idea. Had that problem this week as well, only DotA 2 streams were affected though.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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On December 01 2013 04:46 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:37 govie wrote:On December 01 2013 04:28 trinxified wrote:
Hence why Midas ruins games now. Imagine if item was removed. Heroes will actually get their core items now without having to debate if Midas is better. I dont agree. The midas gives the supports more farm, making the game more dynamic. There is more damage then just a carry, semi carry. I think midas is a blessing for supports and a more dynamic dota2 teamfight. They should do it the way HoN did. Support gold for kills. You get the gold (and it's as much as 150g) if you participated in the kill (if you hit the hero that dies later with one auto-attack for example or if you cast a spell on him). And you get this gold regardless if you're anywhere near the kill (you can even be dead at the time). This helps supports with their farm immensely and makes for faster item progression overall and thus more dynamic environment.
Support gold exists, and it can be quite meaningful. But you get it from being near a kill instead of getting an assist.
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On December 01 2013 04:43 TheYango wrote:
Really, the question isn't about whether Midas should be nerfed or removed. The item's been the same for ages. There's zero reason why you'd consider it to be the problem.
Really if Midas is so popular it's indicative of a game where you have a lull in the action that's long enough to make getting them on so many people good (i.e. T1s are easy to push down, but T2s are difficult to do so without farming a much larger item advantage). The question shouldn't be whether Midas should be nerfed, but whether mass Midas is indicative of a larger issue in how the game plays right now. Mass Midas is simply a symptom of this.
pls your logic is burning me
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