EPT[Hero] Spectre - Page 4
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
you're not getting heart for a while anyway, and the upgrade from stout block to vanguard block is pretty significant its basically a bonus ~15-20 hp per autoattack | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Pure vit booster helps all those things a lot less than you'd think, unfortunately. (yes my gold figures ignore treads/pms/whatever. relax) | ||
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malcram
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Varth
United States426 Posts
THEN YOU GO REFRESHER! Refresher is amazing on spectre, double haunt with desolate will do 700 * .75 = 525dmg radiance dmg after resist, along with your desolate attacks its easily 800+ dmg globally, which will get all their supports and glass cannons very low in hp or dead. ALL FROM COMPLETE SAFETY. This isn't even counting double dagger which if you pick a single target is another 300 dmg to a key support/carry. Once you have the radiance and refresher, unless you are already down several sets of rax, or against a team of tons of tanky heroes (and you shouldn't go spec against that kinda lineup) you will win. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 05 2014 01:57 Jaeger wrote: Is that really worth it over just ferrying a couple of salves as needed? Considering you're buying the other two components anyway and the cost-effectiveness of the Vanguard combine, is it really worth being obstinate about not buying Vanguard when buying salves barely saves you any gold, ties up the courier repeatedly, lowers your pre-Radiance combat effectiveness by a lot (Vanguard's early combat effectiveness is FAR higher than casual Vit Booster), forces you to play more conservatively in lane because you're not buying an HP regen item so you can't deliberately trade off your regen/damage block, etc? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 05 2014 06:10 HighTimeDotA wrote: starting with qb on any safelane hero is pretty bad, you should start with items you cant buy at the side shop aka regen. getting vanguard on spec is pretty bad unless you need the regen in a 1v1 matchup vs say a darkseer. Can spec even afford to haunt refresh haunt? desolate doesn't proc if you are near ally units and without more hp items illusion simply die. You haunt refresh haunt from fountain and at 3rd item: diffusal you already have enough mana pool to do it without returning to base since you are at full mana like always. Also, spectre's illusions with rad-refresher are still tankier than pl's illusions with heart so you kinda underrate their tankiness. And forcing enemy to commit heavy AoE nukes on ILLUSIONS with 6-7 second lifetime is a won teamfight anyways unless you do not have other 4 players on your team. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 05 2014 06:41 HighTimeDotA wrote: I've never seen a spec build a refresher in anything but a stomp. awful item. What exactly is awful? Considering that 80% of spectre's damage comes from haunt and desolate procs (on haunties), going all-in on haunt actually sounds better than investing into stuff like heart. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 05 2014 07:38 HighTimeDotA wrote: something like a butterfly or manta would be miles better. For what exactly? Funnily enough, double haunt only does double the damage on singular haunt if enemies are afk. Usually 2nd one does more damage than 1st since on 2nd most of desolate procs happen. Extensions are simple and actually include both bfly and manta. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
diffusal and heart are usually pretty awful straight after radi, sometimes they're okay tho manta does way more single target damage compared to refresh and lets you farm faster and safer refresh's not bad but it has awful buildup and forces you to rely on teamfights. it also kicks in later than manta by the time you get radi refresher you should have enough mana to ulti refresh ulti. it actually lines up with lv16 pretty well | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On June 05 2014 08:39 nojok wrote: Radiance into refresher really? Rushing 5K+ gold items with awful build ups is not the way to go with any hero. It's just your mates who won the game 4o5 if you had success with this build. Not really. Think of it from the angle that your main contribution is to deal massive damage with haunt. Using double haunt will pretty much reduce the entire enemy team to low health, unless they have counters like centaur or naga. So you're building spec as a glass cannon concentrating on maximizing your double haunt output. Its not really 4o5 if you are a significant damage dealer. You just need the 4 to clean things up, or survive their initiation. The reason why many cannot accept thus build is that they are stuck in the mindset that spectre must be built as a tank carry to abuse dispersion. So they opt for items like heart or skadi to survive more. I won't say that its a terrible or wrong way to build her. I'd say that refresher spec is a legitimate alternative build to draft around. A very strong one. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
the biggest weakness of refresh is if the opposing team just avoids teamfights altogether | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On June 05 2014 09:19 HighTimeDotA wrote: Aight let me burst a bubble here. You realize refresher has a huge ass cd and its basically a worthless item when its on cd. Its not like haunt has such a short CD, that you can use haunt often. Fights with spectre are taken when haunt is off CD, which every 120s. An additional 40s in this context isn't the worst thing. If haunt was spammable, it may make more sense to buff your individual haunt output instead. Anyway there's nothing much a spectre can do outside of haunt. You're just farming. | ||
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