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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:39 lixlix wrote: how would I be down a nuke? you mean nuke cooldown wise? level 1 pact is negative mana, level 2 pact is about even, level 3 isn't relevant in laning you're trading a shitty level 1 nuke which is only useful for snaring rather than raw damage, most heroes can just flip on that on lich just as easily and break even hp wise. like this is the kind of mentality i was referring to, like somehow the opponent would be playing scared of that level 1 nuke you threw out at 2 and you have somehow gained any advantage from it when any player worth anything would do a quick check of the mini-map then realize you're just a terrible lich what happens then is at 3, you're stuck with level 1 pact still, a better nuke but down one thanks to your idea of throwing one inconsequential level 1 at 2, then the opposing lane can just sit there and not worry about shit till 4 at the very earliest and even then it's fine if they go bottle/ring and just trade hp with you the rest of the way the whole point of lich is to put them on an uneven footing heading into 6 which isn't done by mindless nuking, you play him like you would any other hero that is spell dependent, because news flash, a single clarity will (practically) accomplish you would be doing with pact from 1 to 3 anyways edit: I am saying to not always expect the same outcome from any action you take in the game of DotA, use your critical thinking skills and consider all the factors involved. Like I can easily come up with counter-examples and examples to what I just posted. The focus isn't the outcome, but the train of thought when you're learning to play the game. There is a right way to play the game, and there is a terrible way to play it. | ||
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 19 2011 02:22 Excalibur_Z wrote: I spoke to one of Fakesteve's friends yesterday who gave me some good advice, so I'm trying to incorporate all of the feedback here and in my stream chat into my game. He told me about zoning, basically novaing anyone who gets close to a creep during the early laning phase to kind of ward them off and discouraging them from getting kills, so I'm gonna try doing that too. I'm finding out that Lich isn't really a big nuking character like I thought he was, he's more for denying xp to the other team and getting items like Mekansm to assist in large battles later on. This is good stuff though, I'm getting a good grasp on it, just gotta figure out what to buy when and hide behind teammates more. And you have a brain, welcome to the exclusive club of having a brain AND using it while learning to play the game of DotA. | ||
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
The advantage of Lich is that he is very dominant in the laning stage due to dark pact creep denies allowing you to be always at least 1 level ahead of the enemy. Lich is very dangerous at 6 (nova + chainfrost kills most heroes if chainfrost is well placed) and when you hit 6, the opponent hero should only be 5 due to your creep denies. Your early harrasses are largely used to exhaust opponents consumables (salve, trees) so that either he leaves lane when you hit 6 or he risks dying since he has run out of consumables to keep his health high. So a critical time is when you are level 5. You want to time your nova so that it will come back off cooldown right about when you hit 6 and you want to conserve mana enough so that after dark pacting (lvl2) on a creep, you have enough mana for nova chainfrost combo. He is also mana independent and item independent and his ultis still hurt quite a bit even in the late game. Your role in teamfights should be to get off a well positioned ulti and survive to meka your team. | ||
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
dark pact lvl 2 gives you 140 mana or so if you dark pact a melee creep. still maintain that casting nova right as you turn level 2 is essentially "free" and you have enough natural mana regen + dark pact lvl 1 mana to not affect your mana pool by the time you hit 3. | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On October 19 2011 02:50 lixlix wrote: by the way, dark pact lvl 1 is no longer negative mana. you actually gain about 30 mana if you dark pact a melee creep. dark pact lvl 2 gives you 140 mana or so if you dark pact a melee creep. still maintain that casting nova right as you turn level 2 is essentially "free" and you have enough natural mana regen + dark pact lvl 1 mana to not affect your mana pool by the time you hit 3. His point is that if you go into it with that strategy and your opponent is good, you just gave him an entire level where he doesn't have to worry about you nuking again because you're saving the mana for level 3. There are situations where nuking at level 2 can be good, but it's not by you nuking once and hoping he runs and lets you hit him 2 or 3 times. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
gg, this thread has hope. Edit: was that a compliment on pg 27 judi...rofl, first non-negative dota post ever. | ||
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
Is she too weak for competitive play? Too easily countered? Have difficulty scaling with skill? What are some commonly used styles of play? | ||
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
On October 19 2011 06:50 Thrasymachus725 wrote: Broodmother. Why do I never see or hear about this hero? Of all heroes I remember in my DotA career, she is one of the scariest, with the most potential. Web an entire lane, farm like a motherfucker, push into the main base super early, etc etc. Is she too weak for competitive play? Too easily countered? Have difficulty scaling with skill? What are some commonly used styles of play? broodmother is commonly used in competitive play and sometimes even gets banned in the first round of bans. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 19 2011 08:19 lixlix wrote: broodmother is commonly used in competitive play and sometimes even gets banned in the first round of bans. More like she's awkward thanks to the timings on BKB. If you get BKB too early, she's worthless late game against other carries. If you get it too late, you're going to be locked out regardless. It's a very common problem for her and 5 second avatar is pointless later on. Secondly, she's only really good if she has the space to farm and create space via spiderlings, but you can't just donate your spiders, so you're stuck sending waves of creeps to the opponent's side without really pushing anything unless your team is already controlling the game. I am not going to say she's terrible, but she has issues that can very easily be exploited and is kind of underwhelming late even with decent farm. She's kind of just janky to run right now because you're playing down a hero since she needs web and her timing window is kind of small and the payoff is kind of meh. | ||
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
of course she isn't that great in the lategame but that doesn't mean she isn't top tier in competitive. She doesn't have to be your hard carry. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 19 2011 13:49 lixlix wrote: brood is very much a top tier hero in competitive and is commonly picked and banned because she pushes very hard,she can be soloed, very few heroes can counter her push early, she can send spiderlings to the forest while she stays in lane giving her extra gold and allows roaming support heroes to get some xp from neutrals, and she is deadly in the midgame, of course she isn't that great in the lategame but that doesn't mean she isn't top tier in competitive. She doesn't have to be your hard carry. Disagree, the only reason she gets any respect at all is due to the Nerubian Assassin factor, you know the hero that everyone picked/banned way back and then realize how trashy he actually was? She's just annoying, hardly threatening unless her team is already winning. And where the hell are you getting very few heroes can counter her push? You do realize there's a reason why some Broods go Web/Bite over Spiders right? | ||
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lixlix
United States482 Posts
I don't know what your definition of top tier hero is but when a hero (broodmother) makes the pick and ban lists of 90% of professional games in Europe, SE Asia, and China, that hero is for sure a top tier hero. Nobody goes Web/Bite in competitive play. With regards to heroes who can solo with her and counter her push early, there are maybe 4 who are fit for competitve play. I am not sure how much of the competitve scene you pay attention to currently but your posts exhibit a lack of knowledge regarding the current metagame. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 20 2011 05:46 lixlix wrote: Nerubian Assassin isn't picked anymore because he received a makeover quite a while ago and isn't the same hero now. You bring back old mana burn and old impale damage and he'll get picked again. I don't know what your definition of top tier hero is but when a hero (broodmother) makes the pick and ban lists of 90% of professional games in Europe, SE Asia, and China, that hero is for sure a top tier hero. Nobody goes Web/Bite in competitive play. With regards to heroes who can solo with her and counter her push early, there are maybe 4 who are fit for competitve play. I am not sure how much of the competitve scene you pay attention to currently but your posts exhibit a lack of knowledge regarding the current metagame. Rofl, no. NA was always picked/banned then got the change because he was ass. Everyone in the competitive community gave NA so much respect for whatever reason and then realized how pointless of a hero he actually is. He got the remake because he wasn't ever going to see any kind of play if he didn't; he was already out of there. Give him the mana burn and see him get blown the fuck up. Actually a fair number of euros went Web/Bite to some limited success. Counter her push early? Not that hard, she doesn't have infinite mana and dust shits on her. And current metagame huh? Show me a replay that a team that didn't have a chance to pick Brood in their first 3 picks recently. Then I can show you the number of replays that had Brood banned in the 2nd banning phase and/or not even chosen at all. She's getting the Nerubian treatment, not because of competitiveness, but rather annoyance. | ||
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
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