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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 30 2012 21:22 GMT
#3181
On July 31 2012 06:21 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 05:21 Heh_ wrote:
On July 31 2012 05:08 Dromar wrote:
How do shields like vanguard/stout shield interact with kraken shell?

How do they interact with blade mail?

They don't stack (you can't block 48dmg with pms and shell). Instead, the first one is triggered, if that fails then the second one triggers. In other words, because shell has 100% chance to trigger, it's pointless to get other blocking items.

Blademail returns damage after all reductions, aka -28, then minus more for armor.

I thought the new blademail was pure damage.

But the amount it returns is determined after all reductions
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 30 2012 22:28 GMT
#3182
On July 31 2012 06:21 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 05:21 Heh_ wrote:
On July 31 2012 05:08 Dromar wrote:
How do shields like vanguard/stout shield interact with kraken shell?

How do they interact with blade mail?

They don't stack (you can't block 48dmg with pms and shell). Instead, the first one is triggered, if that fails then the second one triggers. In other words, because shell has 100% chance to trigger, it's pointless to get other blocking items.

Blademail returns damage after all reductions, aka -28, then minus more for armor.

I thought the new blademail was pure damage.

Yes but it reflects the same amount of damage you take. If kunkka decided to tidebringer daedalus into a bunch of guardian angel + blademail wielding team, kunkka won't get instagibbed.
=Þ
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 30 2012 23:15 GMT
#3183
On July 29 2012 14:21 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 13:09 igotmyown wrote:
In team fights, that's going to favor lycanthrope, but in pushes, killing off most of lycans dps really stops him. If you send your hero in to right click as well, you end up taking a lot of damage. If axe doesn't die, then the axe team probably ends up ahead.

I've tried it as lycan, and it can be frustratingly ineffective (like playing as brood vs sand king)

In pushes, Axe is a melee hero with no creep-clearing ranged AoE.

That's enough of a liability in and of itself.

Actually, with battle cry, even after the effect is removed, creeps will still attack you. You can clear waves very fast, all you need is 3counter helix after all. And in 5v5, an Axe will kill your Lycan once bkb is over and blademail activated. It's too easy to drop him down to 600hp in 5sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 23:53:44
July 30 2012 23:52 GMT
#3184
On July 31 2012 08:15 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 14:21 TheYango wrote:
On July 29 2012 13:09 igotmyown wrote:
In team fights, that's going to favor lycanthrope, but in pushes, killing off most of lycans dps really stops him. If you send your hero in to right click as well, you end up taking a lot of damage. If axe doesn't die, then the axe team probably ends up ahead.

I've tried it as lycan, and it can be frustratingly ineffective (like playing as brood vs sand king)

In pushes, Axe is a melee hero with no creep-clearing ranged AoE.

That's enough of a liability in and of itself.

Actually, with battle cry, even after the effect is removed, creeps will still attack you. You can clear waves very fast, all you need is 3counter helix after all. And in 5v5, an Axe will kill your Lycan once bkb is over and blademail activated. It's too easy to drop him down to 600hp in 5sec

This implies that in pushes, you can actually move into range to Battle Cry creeps without taking a ton of free damage from the enemy team.

You can clear waves quickly, yes. But the range on your creep clearing ability is virtually nonexistent, which is what makes it impractical for push/anti-push.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 31 2012 04:49 GMT
#3185
How do you save your options? I'm trying to disable voice chat because I play with friends on mumble, but my in game voice is always activated and so it bleeds into the game. I can't find a button and turning it off does nothing.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
July 31 2012 05:07 GMT
#3186
On July 31 2012 13:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How do you save your options? I'm trying to disable voice chat because I play with friends on mumble, but my in game voice is always activated and so it bleeds into the game. I can't find a button and turning it off does nothing.


There should be a push to talk button.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
July 31 2012 07:52 GMT
#3187
On July 31 2012 06:22 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 06:21 igotmyown wrote:
On July 31 2012 05:21 Heh_ wrote:
On July 31 2012 05:08 Dromar wrote:
How do shields like vanguard/stout shield interact with kraken shell?

How do they interact with blade mail?

They don't stack (you can't block 48dmg with pms and shell). Instead, the first one is triggered, if that fails then the second one triggers. In other words, because shell has 100% chance to trigger, it's pointless to get other blocking items.

Blademail returns damage after all reductions, aka -28, then minus more for armor.

I thought the new blademail was pure damage.

But the amount it returns is determined after all reductions

He said blademail returns after all reduction, AND THEN minus more for armor.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
July 31 2012 10:05 GMT
#3188
Yes you're basically saying the same thing.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 31 2012 11:28 GMT
#3189
From his wording, I think he meant reductions as the damage block from vanguard/stout/kraken shell, not armor. Tide takes damage and has maxed Kraken Shell, he blocks 28 damage. The rest of the damage is reduced by his armor. Then, that damage is fully transfered to the attacking player by the blademail.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 31 2012 16:36 GMT
#3190
On July 31 2012 13:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How do you save your options? I'm trying to disable voice chat because I play with friends on mumble, but my in game voice is always activated and so it bleeds into the game. I can't find a button and turning it off does nothing.


Voice_enable 0
Use that command line in your autocfg or save it as the last line in your cfg file.
google how to make an autocfg, its very useful or you'll have to type that into console every time you start dota.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 17:58:54
July 31 2012 17:57 GMT
#3191
On July 31 2012 14:07 Pseudoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 13:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How do you save your options? I'm trying to disable voice chat because I play with friends on mumble, but my in game voice is always activated and so it bleeds into the game. I can't find a button and turning it off does nothing.


There should be a push to talk button.


There is and it is the same one I use for every other voice chat program I use. I want to be able to enable in game voice if I actually want to use it one day though. You'd think it would be as easy as pressing the on/off button in the options menu, but it must just be fluff or not implemented yet or something since I have to go into config files to edit options ^_^


On August 01 2012 01:36 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 13:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How do you save your options? I'm trying to disable voice chat because I play with friends on mumble, but my in game voice is always activated and so it bleeds into the game. I can't find a button and turning it off does nothing.


Voice_enable 0
Use that command line in your autocfg or save it as the last line in your cfg file.
google how to make an autocfg, its very useful or you'll have to type that into console every time you start dota.


Added to the config file in the cfg folder (steamapps/common/dota2beta/dota/cfg) and it is still on. Will google how to do this auto cfg thing I guess ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
July 31 2012 23:28 GMT
#3192
Does anyone know if blademail still works with spells that were triggered heals in Dota 1 (e.g. Refraction, Pipe Barrier, Backtrack)?
3rdZergDivision
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 00:11:40
July 31 2012 23:44 GMT
#3193
Hey is there an "active" bracket for the TSL4? all i can find is the original bracket and then the winner interviews but no brackets updated with the winners? a link would be nice BUT (if i just have to wait thats fine)


***sorry in wrong forum (can mod put this in the SC2 simple questions)***
so alt F4 is the best way to split drones, right?
Atlantian
Profile Joined December 2007
United States302 Posts
August 01 2012 13:24 GMT
#3194
So have played a few games now and have some questions

1)If you use two tangos, use two mana potions, ect does the regen stack as in +4 goes to +8? Or does using a second one simply reset the regen timer

2)After randoming Ogre Magi, he has become a favorite hero of mine. Why isn't he picked more in high level games? He has a stun, a slow, a decent buff, and an ult that has potential for major damage. I understand he really doesn't have an escape(unless a stun plus RUN AWAY counts), but couldn't you just buy a force staff or blink dagger? I still don't really understand the fine points of stats on a hero yet, but he seems to be reasonable tanky especially for an intelligence hero.

3)I know that when wanting to watch a game, the games on page one are higher rated than page two and so on. Is there a way to sort live games by hero played?
If Barbie is so popular why do we have to buy her friends?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 01 2012 13:26 GMT
#3195
1) resets the timer

2) because he is a melee caster who relies a great deal on luck/other heroes can do all his roles but better. Nobody wants to pick him in a competitive game because if you get unlucky in key moments your just kinda screwed. High risk/low reward.

3) there is a filter option where you can search for games with specific heroes.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Atlantian
Profile Joined December 2007
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 13:51:27
August 01 2012 13:45 GMT
#3196
On August 01 2012 22:26 PassiveAce wrote:
2) because he is a melee caster who relies a great deal on luck/other heroes can do all his roles but better. Nobody wants to pick him in a competitive game because if you get unlucky in key moments your just kinda screwed. High risk/low reward.



Can I ask a follow up question. Why is being a melee caster a problem, especially since like I said he seems to have a bunch of health. Also, unlucky in damage output yes but he will always stun/slow/buff your target, or am I just way out in left field on this.
If Barbie is so popular why do we have to buy her friends?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 13:52:27
August 01 2012 13:50 GMT
#3197
Personally, I dont like melee casters, although there really isnt anything wrong with them. In fact, you could probably make an argument that being melee has its advantages' because you can get more benefit from stout shield.
I think the main problem with him is that he just relies on luck too much, being a melee caster isnt really his biggest problem because there are other amazing melee casters like Earthshaker.

your right, being a melee caster isnt really a big problem for him, but it does make it difficult for him to farm effectively because he has difficulty escaping ganks as you mention with his single target stun.

I stand by my statement that he isnt a good competitive hero though, although I am certainly not trying to discourage you from playing him if you like him ^_^
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 01 2012 13:53 GMT
#3198
Lack of burst aoe is a big problem for ogre magi
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 13:54:14
August 01 2012 13:53 GMT
#3199
On August 01 2012 22:45 Atlantian wrote:
Can I ask a follow up question. Why is being a melee caster a problem, especially since like I said he seems to have a bunch of health, or am I just way out in left field on this.

It's naturally easier to pick off melee heroes because they have to jump next to enemy heroes in order to do right click damage. Ogre magi could decide to stay the heck away from direct battle, but then the damage contribution would be greatly reduced. It's not that much of a problem, but still it would be nicer to right click from range. Another consequence is that during the laning stage, it's a lot easier for ranged heroes to exert lane control over melee heroes in general.
=Þ
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
August 01 2012 14:10 GMT
#3200
being melee is fine, ogre shouldn't ever be autoattacking anyway
the issue is he's pretty reliant on levels which is bad for a support
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