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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 27 2012 13:32 GMT
#3141
Wand is always an excellent item. Benefits low manapool heroes immensely. Get it if you're facing spell spammers such as venomancer or zeus etc...
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 27 2012 13:45 GMT
#3142
On July 27 2012 22:29 paintfive wrote:
When I should be getting a magic wand? Is it mostly hero dependent?

Virtually every hero gets wand. It's like a personal mekansm + double arcane boots. It gains charges really quickly during teamfights.
=Þ
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 27 2012 14:00 GMT
#3143
Wand is not always neccesarily but atleast a stick, Wand has the advantage of requiring gg branches, which are the most costeffective item in the game(and thus most slot inefficient) so you can merge them and come out with a pretty damn cost efficient item

also its great for baiting.
WriterXiao8~~
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
July 27 2012 14:19 GMT
#3144
I am thinking of starting to play a dota type game but not sure what options are available to me? Out of lol, hon and dota which would you recommend? I would imagine that the dota 2 beta is invite only but cant be sure
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
July 27 2012 14:25 GMT
#3145
You have posted in the dota2 thread so I guess most replies here will say dota2. :D

Dota2 beta is invite only but it's easy to get a key from a third party if you pay about £3.50 (costs like £30 in official store). I would never recommend HoN to anyone, so you're left with LoL and Dota.

LoL=much easier learning curve, simplier game, rpg lvling up that means u have to grind but it's much easier and you generally play with other noobs.

Dota2=more complex game, harder to get into, but much more rewarding. Playing dota1 now is a bit meh imo, especially if you can't be bothered with 3rd party programs/an older game to actually play any good dota1 games.


There's like a million lol vs dota2 debates so I'm sure you can search for them and weigh up the pros and cons for each.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 14:39:22
July 27 2012 14:36 GMT
#3146
Yeah I did notice but I couldnt think of an appropriate thread to post the question ^^ Well I only wanted to play as a distraction and not really super serious so I will probably download lol and try it out.

Seem like less hassle and ofc its free compared to dota 2 which does look better imo but if what you say is true will take too much time to get good.

Thanks for the help

If anyone here has lol I will put you down as a referer if you like. Doubt it as it is a dota thread :D
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 27 2012 16:50 GMT
#3147
I played LoL for 4/5months and you just get bored really rapidly. There is almost no 'WOW' moments, its less demanding and every hero is designed for a specific role. Dota is really funnier all in all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 16:52:31
July 27 2012 16:52 GMT
#3148
Dota 2 will also be free upon release. You can also get cosmetic items from drops alone, and not have to pay for them like in LoL
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
July 27 2012 21:27 GMT
#3149
What does mid skill matchmaking mean? Is it like the whole normal, high, highest rating? I'm curious, because theres a thread with 0 replies about a guy whos mid skill.
In Mushi we trust
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 27 2012 21:30 GMT
#3150
On July 28 2012 06:27 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
What does mid skill matchmaking mean? Is it like the whole normal, high, highest rating? I'm curious, because theres a thread with 0 replies about a guy whos mid skill.

My guess is that he considers himself "high" MMR. Most people go by low, medium and high when ranking things. Only valve decides to start with normal and add superlatives..
=Þ
Stoli
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
July 28 2012 00:37 GMT
#3151
On July 27 2012 23:25 Goshawk. wrote:
You have posted in the dota2 thread so I guess most replies here will say dota2. :D

Dota2 beta is invite only but it's easy to get a key from a third party if you pay about £3.50 (costs like £30 in official store). I would never recommend HoN to anyone, so you're left with LoL and Dota.

LoL=much easier learning curve, simplier game, rpg lvling up that means u have to grind but it's much easier and you generally play with other noobs.

Dota2=more complex game, harder to get into, but much more rewarding. Playing dota1 now is a bit meh imo, especially if you can't be bothered with 3rd party programs/an older game to actually play any good dota1 games.


There's like a million lol vs dota2 debates so I'm sure you can search for them and weigh up the pros and cons for each.


I really don't think LoL develops dota skills at all. Only play it if you intend to stick to it, IMO. If you are preparing for Dota 2, get in beta, since it's streamlined you aren't learning redundant things, seriously making wand is extremely challenging..

On July 27 2012 22:45 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:29 paintfive wrote:
When I should be getting a magic wand? Is it mostly hero dependent?

Virtually every hero gets wand. It's like a personal mekansm + double arcane boots. It gains charges really quickly during teamfights.



It's also good practice having activated items.. using 6 hotkeys for items is quite hard to be good at, and takes practice. Urn, Medallion, and Phase are some other cheap/easy ones..


I also like to have a consistent hotkey I always use for my tp scroll. Makes for faster escapes/fewer errors.
Twisting joints like a contortionist
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 00:55:21
July 28 2012 00:54 GMT
#3152
So I haven't played in a few weeks and I looked at the new heroes and....well, KotL and Nyx are cool but Visage is leaving me in a bit of a confused state. I don't get what the fuck he's supposed to do or what purpose he has. He has a pretty good slow, what appears to be an extremely mediocre single target damage spell, and a really fucking good shield that makes him extraordinarily bulky. What I was sort of getting a vibe was he was sort of some psuedo-Brewmaster for teamfights, in the sense that you abuse your Gravekeepers Cloak to just not die while you chain off stuns with your Familiars.

I just don't see how he has any true utility though, because everything I'm thinking he can do, it appears someone else can just do better.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 28 2012 01:03 GMT
#3153
On July 28 2012 09:37 Stoli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 23:25 Goshawk. wrote:
You have posted in the dota2 thread so I guess most replies here will say dota2. :D

Dota2 beta is invite only but it's easy to get a key from a third party if you pay about £3.50 (costs like £30 in official store). I would never recommend HoN to anyone, so you're left with LoL and Dota.

LoL=much easier learning curve, simplier game, rpg lvling up that means u have to grind but it's much easier and you generally play with other noobs.

Dota2=more complex game, harder to get into, but much more rewarding. Playing dota1 now is a bit meh imo, especially if you can't be bothered with 3rd party programs/an older game to actually play any good dota1 games.


There's like a million lol vs dota2 debates so I'm sure you can search for them and weigh up the pros and cons for each.


I really don't think LoL develops dota skills at all. Only play it if you intend to stick to it, IMO. If you are preparing for Dota 2, get in beta, since it's streamlined you aren't learning redundant things, seriously making wand is extremely challenging..

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 22:45 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:29 paintfive wrote:
When I should be getting a magic wand? Is it mostly hero dependent?

Virtually every hero gets wand. It's like a personal mekansm + double arcane boots. It gains charges really quickly during teamfights.



It's also good practice having activated items.. using 6 hotkeys for items is quite hard to be good at, and takes practice. Urn, Medallion, and Phase are some other cheap/easy ones..


I also like to have a consistent hotkey I always use for my tp scroll. Makes for faster escapes/fewer errors.

For some reason I have a tendency to get 6 activated items on heroes with 4 activated skills. At least some of these slots are occupied by phase/arcane boots, wand and tp, so it's technically 7 mass-spam skills.
=Þ
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 28 2012 01:07 GMT
#3154
On July 28 2012 10:03 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:37 Stoli wrote:
On July 27 2012 23:25 Goshawk. wrote:
You have posted in the dota2 thread so I guess most replies here will say dota2. :D

Dota2 beta is invite only but it's easy to get a key from a third party if you pay about £3.50 (costs like £30 in official store). I would never recommend HoN to anyone, so you're left with LoL and Dota.

LoL=much easier learning curve, simplier game, rpg lvling up that means u have to grind but it's much easier and you generally play with other noobs.

Dota2=more complex game, harder to get into, but much more rewarding. Playing dota1 now is a bit meh imo, especially if you can't be bothered with 3rd party programs/an older game to actually play any good dota1 games.


There's like a million lol vs dota2 debates so I'm sure you can search for them and weigh up the pros and cons for each.


I really don't think LoL develops dota skills at all. Only play it if you intend to stick to it, IMO. If you are preparing for Dota 2, get in beta, since it's streamlined you aren't learning redundant things, seriously making wand is extremely challenging..

On July 27 2012 22:45 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:29 paintfive wrote:
When I should be getting a magic wand? Is it mostly hero dependent?

Virtually every hero gets wand. It's like a personal mekansm + double arcane boots. It gains charges really quickly during teamfights.



It's also good practice having activated items.. using 6 hotkeys for items is quite hard to be good at, and takes practice. Urn, Medallion, and Phase are some other cheap/easy ones..


I also like to have a consistent hotkey I always use for my tp scroll. Makes for faster escapes/fewer errors.

For some reason I have a tendency to get 6 activated items on heroes with 4 activated skills. At least some of these slots are occupied by phase/arcane boots, wand and tp, so it's technically 7 mass-spam skills.

Windrunner

Wand
Phase
Force
Meka
Guinsoo
TP

standard.
WriterXiao8~~
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 28 2012 01:10 GMT
#3155
On July 28 2012 10:07 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 10:03 Heh_ wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:37 Stoli wrote:
On July 27 2012 23:25 Goshawk. wrote:
You have posted in the dota2 thread so I guess most replies here will say dota2. :D

Dota2 beta is invite only but it's easy to get a key from a third party if you pay about £3.50 (costs like £30 in official store). I would never recommend HoN to anyone, so you're left with LoL and Dota.

LoL=much easier learning curve, simplier game, rpg lvling up that means u have to grind but it's much easier and you generally play with other noobs.

Dota2=more complex game, harder to get into, but much more rewarding. Playing dota1 now is a bit meh imo, especially if you can't be bothered with 3rd party programs/an older game to actually play any good dota1 games.


There's like a million lol vs dota2 debates so I'm sure you can search for them and weigh up the pros and cons for each.


I really don't think LoL develops dota skills at all. Only play it if you intend to stick to it, IMO. If you are preparing for Dota 2, get in beta, since it's streamlined you aren't learning redundant things, seriously making wand is extremely challenging..

On July 27 2012 22:45 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:29 paintfive wrote:
When I should be getting a magic wand? Is it mostly hero dependent?

Virtually every hero gets wand. It's like a personal mekansm + double arcane boots. It gains charges really quickly during teamfights.



It's also good practice having activated items.. using 6 hotkeys for items is quite hard to be good at, and takes practice. Urn, Medallion, and Phase are some other cheap/easy ones..


I also like to have a consistent hotkey I always use for my tp scroll. Makes for faster escapes/fewer errors.

For some reason I have a tendency to get 6 activated items on heroes with 4 activated skills. At least some of these slots are occupied by phase/arcane boots, wand and tp, so it's technically 7 mass-spam skills.

Windrunner

Wand
Phase
Force
Meka
Guinsoo
TP

standard.

Yeah pretty much. You don't actually use all 10 of them in the span of a few seconds though, so it's manageable for people who aren't Dendi.
=Þ
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 28 2012 02:53 GMT
#3156
On July 28 2012 09:54 Candadar wrote:
So I haven't played in a few weeks and I looked at the new heroes and....well, KotL and Nyx are cool but Visage is leaving me in a bit of a confused state. I don't get what the fuck he's supposed to do or what purpose he has. He has a pretty good slow, what appears to be an extremely mediocre single target damage spell, and a really fucking good shield that makes him extraordinarily bulky. What I was sort of getting a vibe was he was sort of some psuedo-Brewmaster for teamfights, in the sense that you abuse your Gravekeepers Cloak to just not die while you chain off stuns with your Familiars.

I just don't see how he has any true utility though, because everything I'm thinking he can do, it appears someone else can just do better.

yea u just win teamfights and trilanes with him
his nuke is really good in early fights the cd is crazy short
hes better than panda at not getting banned
Stoli
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 04:08:33
July 28 2012 04:03 GMT
#3157
On July 28 2012 10:07 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 10:03 Heh_ wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:37 Stoli wrote:
On July 27 2012 23:25 Goshawk. wrote:
You have posted in the dota2 thread so I guess most replies here will say dota2. :D

Dota2 beta is invite only but it's easy to get a key from a third party if you pay about £3.50 (costs like £30 in official store). I would never recommend HoN to anyone, so you're left with LoL and Dota.

LoL=much easier learning curve, simplier game, rpg lvling up that means u have to grind but it's much easier and you generally play with other noobs.

Dota2=more complex game, harder to get into, but much more rewarding. Playing dota1 now is a bit meh imo, especially if you can't be bothered with 3rd party programs/an older game to actually play any good dota1 games.


There's like a million lol vs dota2 debates so I'm sure you can search for them and weigh up the pros and cons for each.


I really don't think LoL develops dota skills at all. Only play it if you intend to stick to it, IMO. If you are preparing for Dota 2, get in beta, since it's streamlined you aren't learning redundant things, seriously making wand is extremely challenging..

On July 27 2012 22:45 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 22:29 paintfive wrote:
When I should be getting a magic wand? Is it mostly hero dependent?

Virtually every hero gets wand. It's like a personal mekansm + double arcane boots. It gains charges really quickly during teamfights.



It's also good practice having activated items.. using 6 hotkeys for items is quite hard to be good at, and takes practice. Urn, Medallion, and Phase are some other cheap/easy ones..


I also like to have a consistent hotkey I always use for my tp scroll. Makes for faster escapes/fewer errors.

For some reason I have a tendency to get 6 activated items on heroes with 4 activated skills. At least some of these slots are occupied by phase/arcane boots, wand and tp, so it's technically 7 mass-spam skills.

Windrunner

Wand
Phase
Force
Meka
Guinsoo
TP

standard.


Yep, for me it's more often medallion though. By far my favourite item (wand would win but I'm really bored of it).

ie furion with:
medallion
phase
necronomicon
hex
orchids

sometimes wand. 6 insanely good actives that all work well together (except wand, but it's a pretty good iteM).

beastmaster with:
medallion
urn
wand
and soul ring or bottle depending on lane.

sometimes phase/necronomicon.. (I don't really build urn or even medallion anymore because I'm always long lane BM, but if you are mid it's very very good and this is the hero I spent the most time with early in beta)

I'm pretty confident with 6 items now so I don't go out of my way to do it, I just find that there are literally no competing with well used active items (pipe/mek are essential, medallion is fucking amazing if your team focuses at all, hex is.. well hex. orchids can be essential against a panda or blink hero. necrobook..) and it takes some practice to use all 6, hell it takes practice to remember you have them.


On July 28 2012 10:10 Heh_ wrote:
Yeah pretty much. You don't actually use all 10 of them in the span of a few seconds though, so it's manageable for people who aren't Dendi.


;p I find it easy now, but especially for a well timed hex, I really think it takes some practice. Even players who have played for years still miss the occasional sprout.
Twisting joints like a contortionist
Thienan567
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States670 Posts
July 28 2012 05:55 GMT
#3158
How do you check your MMR? How do you even know if you have one? Is there a ranked and a normal setting like in LoL?

I'm asking because idk and I can't find it anywhere in the dota2 client.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 28 2012 06:20 GMT
#3159
On July 28 2012 14:55 Thienan567 wrote:
How do you check your MMR? How do you even know if you have one? Is there a ranked and a normal setting like in LoL?

I'm asking because idk and I can't find it anywhere in the dota2 client.


You can't find it because it isn't listed.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 28 2012 06:22 GMT
#3160
been said before, the only real way to check your skill range is to type in your name in recent games and see which category (normal high or very high) you have the most games in.

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