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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
June 19 2012 05:48 GMT
#2721
On June 19 2012 14:34 sandyph wrote:
is it worth it to keep Poor Man shield and Magic Wands until late-game ?
or should I just sell them off and get better item

if a game goes on long enough you're gonna have to sell off pms/wand for a better item
but this is a broad question it really depends
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
June 19 2012 05:54 GMT
#2722
On June 19 2012 14:34 sandyph wrote:
is it worth it to keep Poor Man shield and Magic Wands until late-game ?
or should I just sell them off and get better item


Sell them when you need the slots, not before. So, for instance if you have 5k gold and still have a poor man's shield, get a better item obviously. But if you still have an open slot, then why sell it? A bad item is better than no item. That said, i think the magic wand is the best item in the game.

On June 19 2012 11:17 rwrzr wrote:
who is the dota2 sub-forum mod?


my guess would be BumbleBee, heyoka, and motbob
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 19 2012 05:56 GMT
#2723
On June 19 2012 14:54 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 14:34 sandyph wrote:
is it worth it to keep Poor Man shield and Magic Wands until late-game ?
or should I just sell them off and get better item


Sell them when you need the slots, not before. So, for instance if you have 5k gold and still have a poor man's shield, get a better item obviously. But if you still have an open slot, then why sell it? A bad item is better than no item. That said, i think the magic wand is the best item in the game.

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 11:17 rwrzr wrote:
who is the dota2 sub-forum mod?


my guess would be BumbleBee, heyoka, and motbob

GMarshal does most of the moderating.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
June 19 2012 05:58 GMT
#2724
On June 19 2012 14:56 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 14:54 Fishgle wrote:
On June 19 2012 14:34 sandyph wrote:
is it worth it to keep Poor Man shield and Magic Wands until late-game ?
or should I just sell them off and get better item


Sell them when you need the slots, not before. So, for instance if you have 5k gold and still have a poor man's shield, get a better item obviously. But if you still have an open slot, then why sell it? A bad item is better than no item. That said, i think the magic wand is the best item in the game.

On June 19 2012 11:17 rwrzr wrote:
who is the dota2 sub-forum mod?


my guess would be BumbleBee, heyoka, and motbob

GMarshal does most of the moderating.

well fuck, i was completely wrong then T_T
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 19 2012 12:54 GMT
#2725
Does anyone know of a good competitive vid where I can check out morphling's item build? Or better yet, provide one (with starting items and then item progression)?

Also how do I best use morph? I'm assuming when I'm going for the shotgun with eblade, it's obviously best to convert all to agility to try and get the max damage. Is it best to leave on all agility by default, and then only start switching to strength when you are being focused?

And also how do you farm in the early game? I always run out of mana after using waveform a few times ><
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 13:24:40
June 19 2012 13:21 GMT
#2726
On June 19 2012 21:54 writer22816 wrote:
Does anyone know of a good competitive vid where I can check out morphling's item build? Or better yet, provide one (with starting items and then item progression)?

Also how do I best use morph? I'm assuming when I'm going for the shotgun with eblade, it's obviously best to convert all to agility to try and get the max damage. Is it best to leave on all agility by default, and then only start switching to strength when you are being focused?

And also how do you farm in the early game? I always run out of mana after using waveform a few times ><


Watch any of Quantic.Korok's games. He plays one of the best morphlings outside of China. Item builds are pretty fluid with morphling but there are two general directions. Most players generally go for Linkin's Sphere or Ethereal Blade. Linkins allows you to split push more effectively and farm with your waveform while Ethereal Blade makes you a midgame powerhouse.

The general item build for morphling is like 3xggbranch+healing items+RoP-> Aquila -> Treads -> Linkin/Eth/BKB -> Manta -> Skadi -> HoD -> Butter/Rapier/MKB/Daedalus/Satanic

get bkb if you are scared as shit but you probably dont need it

The Aquila + Linkins will take care of your mana problems. However, until you get them both, using waveform to farm is not smart unless you get a bottle. Even if you get a bottle, when you want to waveform to kill creeps, make sure you lower all the creeps so they die and hit atleast 1 enemy hero so that your mana is not wasted.

Morph is a pretty complicated spell. That and his awful base damage is what makes Morphling troublesome to play. What you want to do is keep your hp high enough to escape from the other teams front loaded burst. You can keep it lower if they dont have anything to stop you from morphing. (silence, ice blast, sheep, dagon, shit) You can morph through stuns so keep that in mind.

#winning
Get ethblade -> make replicate -> walk in pew+pew+fwoosh+replicate away = profit$$

Every game is different. There are times when your build might vary so like morphling, be flexible...
High Risk Low Reward
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
June 19 2012 13:26 GMT
#2727
Um to add on above, many get Manta after treads as well (before Links/Ethereal/BKB). Manta provides the best physical DPS early and good stats, but does leave you without mana regeneration (something Morphling likes to spam waveform & Morph at will).
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 19 2012 13:31 GMT
#2728
I just remembered I watched a nice DK vs EHOME game where Burning went morph (I am a big Burning fan and so I want to learn his signature heroes ) and won in the end; dling that vod right now. If anyone has links to any good morph replays let me know too. Thanks for the help!
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
June 19 2012 14:35 GMT
#2729
On June 19 2012 22:26 The Great Taste wrote:
Um to add on above, many get Manta after treads as well (before Links/Ethereal/BKB). Manta provides the best physical DPS early and good stats, but does leave you without mana regeneration (something Morphling likes to spam waveform & Morph at will).


Manta is great on Morphling as illusions get the effects of innate agility, which he can mass more easily than any other hero.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 19 2012 14:43 GMT
#2730
On June 19 2012 22:26 The Great Taste wrote:
Um to add on above, many get Manta after treads as well (before Links/Ethereal/BKB). Manta provides the best physical DPS early and good stats, but does leave you without mana regeneration (something Morphling likes to spam waveform & Morph at will).

Manta BEFORE Linkens is somewhat uncommon, because Manta is one of your core DPS items, while Linken's is a more farming-focused item. The Perseverance/Linken's are generally built earlier if at all.
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
June 19 2012 15:09 GMT
#2731
Is there a correct way to setup the hot keys for inventory items? I just have it as my bottom row of keys and its not very good
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
June 19 2012 15:15 GMT
#2732
21256500 - Match ID - says replay is unavailable ?!
Somethings are just worth fighting for
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 15:22:17
June 19 2012 15:21 GMT
#2733
On June 20 2012 00:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Is there a correct way to setup the hot keys for inventory items? I just have it as my bottom row of keys and its not very good

I use the number keys and mouse buttons. also spacebar.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 15:34:22
June 19 2012 15:32 GMT
#2734
On June 20 2012 00:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Is there a correct way to setup the hot keys for inventory items? I just have it as my bottom row of keys and its not very good


It's all personal preference! I have Q W E R (for skills) Then I set up my inventory slots as such:
ALT + Q W E
ALT + A S D

That way my left hand is using keys roughly in the same location, easily accessible. Then 1-6 for hotkeys. (Hero, Courier, Summonables, Hero+Summonables, etc)

*Edit* - For the QoP 2x Null question. Someone mentioned that under the suggested tab there is 2 Nulls, that is probably 80-90% of why you actually see people buy double Null. IMO: 1 Null MAX, actual viable build is 2x Bracers that is more often seen competitively.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12127 Posts
June 19 2012 15:53 GMT
#2735
On June 20 2012 00:15 vahgar.r24 wrote:
21256500 - Match ID - says replay is unavailable ?!


This is quite common. Happens to around half the replays right now.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
June 19 2012 19:54 GMT
#2736
Is it just me or has Shadow Shaman fallen off the face of the earth in competitive Western games?

What the hell happened.
Chakoi
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom81 Posts
June 20 2012 00:16 GMT
#2737
Can you only get reported into the lower pool or leavers pool.. Can you get banned? o,.,o
The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The great teacher inspires
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
June 20 2012 00:30 GMT
#2738
On June 20 2012 04:54 Candadar wrote:
Is it just me or has Shadow Shaman fallen off the face of the earth in competitive Western games?

What the hell happened.


dual mid lanes, no escape mechanism, not that reliable push. he still gets in sometimes as a pusher support when veno is banned
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
June 20 2012 00:40 GMT
#2739
On June 20 2012 09:30 Ottoxlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 04:54 Candadar wrote:
Is it just me or has Shadow Shaman fallen off the face of the earth in competitive Western games?

What the hell happened.


dual mid lanes, no escape mechanism, not that reliable push. he still gets in sometimes as a pusher support when veno is banned

It's still dumb though that Europeans constantly first pick a hero -> other team figures out how to counter -> stop picking altogether. Now that teams can get it for last pick, it's definitely worth taking (when the opponent doesn't have the counters). Overall I think the drafting part of the game is still very unrefined.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
June 20 2012 01:29 GMT
#2740
On June 20 2012 09:40 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 09:30 Ottoxlol wrote:
On June 20 2012 04:54 Candadar wrote:
Is it just me or has Shadow Shaman fallen off the face of the earth in competitive Western games?

What the hell happened.


dual mid lanes, no escape mechanism, not that reliable push. he still gets in sometimes as a pusher support when veno is banned

It's still dumb though that Europeans constantly first pick a hero -> other team figures out how to counter -> stop picking altogether. Now that teams can get it for last pick, it's definitely worth taking (when the opponent doesn't have the counters). Overall I think the drafting part of the game is still very unrefined.


I disagree. The problems with SS are not his counters, but there are better picks for this metagame. Usually teams go for early/mid pushes, wards have too long cd and too many times you have to make a decision between dropping the wards at the start of the fight (if you don't most support rhastas die instantly) or you save it for when you get 2 kills and want to push the tower. The high cd also causes that you can't just drop the wards and when the enemy arrives retreat, you have to be much more careful with it then any other pusher with their skills.

The drafting part will always be "unrefined" since new heroes make it to dota2 or new trends come up or the whole meta changes. For instance an example for this would be Lich, when the full on pusher meta was on, no one picked him because he can't push, he can't antipush and he needs lvl6 to be effective something that is a luxury against heavy push. Before this he was instabanned/picked, because his great ult and frost armor was really nice in the carry+teamfight meta. Right now he's slowly coming back into drafts that focus a little bit more on mid game teamfights (and denying xp) than push.
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