Team Liquid Discussion - Page 342

On July 01 2019 03:36 Racket wrote:
If you had Dendi instead of w33ha, Liquid would have won Epicenter. Period.

On July 02 2019 02:30 saocyn wrote:
Here's the thing though, Liquid CHOSE to kick MATU RIGHT before the major. That was their decision. Expected results come with that. You cannot fault the people who use that as their reasoning. Sugar coating it with "Hey at least they went 2-3 and got to 2nd place" doesn't discredit or discount the observations of people who point out the obvious.

All the excuses of yeah "it's only been 2-3 weeks" well duh! that's the price you pay for kicking someone prior to TI and doing roster swaps.

If I were to go deeper into specifics, The Mid lane, in particular, is one that SHOULD be criticized. As the impact of the role alone is dictated by that player alone generally regardless of what happens in the game or who's team your playing on.
How you perform on your mid role is solely dictated by you alone. Whether you win 1v1 and get FB, whether you have map awareness and avoid ganks, whether you kill their safe lane and set up the momentum for your team. The only other factors that affect performance in this scenario is drafts, team plan, and ability to communicate.

There's a reason why players like Sumail continually outplay their opponent and make an impact. Its not by random chance.

On July 02 2019 02:30 saocyn wrote:
Here's the thing though, Liquid CHOSE to kick MATU RIGHT before the major. That was their decision. Expected results come with that. You cannot fault the people who use that as their reasoning. Sugar coating it with "Hey at least they went 2-3 and got to 2nd place" doesn't discredit or discount the observations of people who point out the obvious.

All the excuses of yeah "it's only been 2-3 weeks" well duh! that's the price you pay for kicking someone prior to TI and doing roster swaps.

If I were to go deeper into specifics, The Mid lane, in particular, is one that SHOULD be criticized. As the impact of the role alone is dictated by that player alone generally regardless of what happens in the game or who's team your playing on.
How you perform on your mid role is solely dictated by you alone. Whether you win 1v1 and get FB, whether you have map awareness and avoid ganks, whether you kill their safe lane and set up the momentum for your team. The only other factors that affect performance in this scenario is drafts, team plan, and ability to communicate.

There's a reason why players like Sumail continually outplay their opponent and make an impact. Its not by random chance.

On July 02 2019 14:51 juuto wrote:


What was the excuse at MDL Disneyland and all the other absurd amount of Major grand finals they've lost? No matter what, there's always an excuse for Liquid whenever they can't win a Major despite making it to the grand finals.

How is it that Secret and VP seem to be able to consistently win one or more Majors a year while Liquid only has one for their entire time as a team? At least when they drop out of a Major early, they have the accomplishments from earlier in the season to make up for it. Liquid bombs out of tournaments left and right and loses two grand finals. They didn't even make it out alive as their 5 man TI winning roster this year but somehow, it's wrong to believe this year has been a giant disappointment so far.

On July 02 2019 14:51 juuto wrote:


What was the excuse at MDL Disneyland and all the other absurd amount of Major grand finals they've lost? No matter what, there's always an excuse for Liquid whenever they can't win a Major despite making it to the grand finals.

How is it that Secret and VP seem to be able to consistently win one or more Majors a year while Liquid only has one for their entire time as a team? At least when they drop out of a Major early, they have the accomplishments from earlier in the season to make up for it. Liquid bombs out of tournaments left and right and loses two grand finals. They didn't even make it out alive as their 5 man TI winning roster this year but somehow, it's wrong to believe this year has been a giant disappointment so far.

On July 05 2019 21:23 nikkipaniki wrote:
I'm Miracle's fan, but expecting him to carry all games on his own is a bad idea. They won TI7, and got back-to-back LAN wins before and after TI7, because "everyone in their team can carry", that's what everyone saw. When Miracle was shut down, either MC or Matu were able to carry. All top teams right now are doing well because both their pos 1 and 2 are enabled. Matu wasn't the problem. It was Kuro's "all on Miracle" strategy.

And now they kicked Matu for someone who can only make an impact on 3 heroes, and they weren't even that big of an impact during Epicenter. They kicked Matu for "freshness", but are still playing the same "4-protect-1, Miracle is the win condition" style Kuro has been going for since TI8. I'm not expecting good things for them this coming TI.

On July 05 2019 21:44 Pontual wrote:
Idk, i think they had to resort to 4 protect 1 more so in the finals, but that's because VG banned w33ha's heroes, with more time i'm sure they will have more options for him. I expect good things for them this coming TI, they proved to be capable in epicenter. But as always, we will just have to wait.

On July 18 2019 01:52 Saechiis wrote:
Subscribed. If he's just going to cover our Dota team though the name isn't the best, I follow Liquid in CS:GO and SC2 as well and there's like 10 other teams.

On August 08 2019 21:48 Julmust wrote:
Not gonna say we're gonna win TI but I was promised a second aegis by Mohamed last week soooo...