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Racket
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On July 01 2019 03:29 juuto wrote: Absolutely atrocious drafts from Liquid. Liquid cannot win Majors to save their fucking lives man. They've been at this for how long and they only have that ONE Major despite the fact there were like 20 last year. you serious or trolling? w33 has been with the team for 2-3 weeks, and you are complaining again? Plz be realistic man... | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On July 01 2019 03:39 hunter_x wrote: you serious or trolling? w33 has been with the team for 2-3 weeks, and you are complaining again? Plz be realistic man... VG only needed to win 3 games and yet somehow, Liquid managed to get pooped on for 4 games in a row. Two drafts in a row going for late game and just like the game before, VG ran them down like it was nothing. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On July 01 2019 03:45 juuto wrote: VG only needed to win 3 games and yet somehow, Liquid managed to get pooped on for 4 games in a row. Two drafts in a row going for late game and just like the game before, VG ran them down like it was nothing. i am not saying that the series was as close as the 2-3 makes it sound. but again, they just had a roster change, with barely 1-2 weeks to practice with the new guy. They get to the grand final, playing against one of the best teams of this dpc season, while beating teams like EG, LGD and VP on the way. not enough for you? then you should maybe join the other 10k mmr trolls on reddit. even the players themselves had no expectations at all, and you talk about them like they are some 2k shit stack. come on man..... | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On July 01 2019 03:46 Saechiis wrote: I have mixed feeling; getting second at Epicenter right after a roster change is great. That said; it did not feel like w33ha had much impact at all this tournament and they're so focused on winning the game with Miracle that their drafts are exploitable. They're just going all-in 4 protect 1 leaving it all up to Miracle, it just seems like a dumb style to play when you have GH and MC on your team. It's sad to see Liquid going from a team that runs over others to a team that gets run over trying to cheese lategame wins with Spectre and Arc Warden. I thought they'd play more pro-active Dota with w33; really don't like this direction they seem to be taking. they ran over a lot of teams, you cant only talk about the games against vici. they played great dota against EG, LGD and Vp, vici was just too strong this time. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
They're obviously one of the best teams in the world right now but is it wrong for me to expect them to turn all that skill into Major championships? Damn, how many more times do they have to drop the ball during the grand finals of a Major before I can criticize their drafts in peace? 3 seasons Miracle has been with Liquid and he still won more Majors during his 1 season with OG. w33's been on T2-T3 teams ever since the Shanghai Major. Still has the same amount of Major wins as Liquid. Does it have to be such a rare occasion that Liquid is the best team in the world for at least a moment? | ||
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Qualitaetsgarant
124 Posts
What bothers me more is that w33 seems to do the same job like Matu, so replacing Matu seems weird. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On July 01 2019 05:44 Qualitaetsgarant wrote: I think you dont need excuses to lose the Grand Final 2-3. What bothers me more is that w33 seems to do the same job like Matu, so replacing Matu seems weird. I agree with you and I don't. They haven't changed the fact that they're putting all their eggs in Miracle's basket but I wouldn't agree that w33 plays like Matu. Their heropools differ a lot. While Matu played heroes like Veno and Viper, w33 plays WR and TA. Very different skillset on the heroes and you play them very differently. Not putting any value in if that's good or bad, just a statement of fact. Also, keep in mind that they literally only had time to scrim for a week before going to Moscow. We saw very few heroes from w33 but it's possible, even likely, that they didn't have time to fully figure out how to play with him. I'm excited for TI | ||
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
On July 01 2019 03:36 Racket wrote: If you had Dendi instead of w33ha, Liquid would have won Epicenter. Period. LUL of the year | ||
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
Let's see what teama they beat to get to the finals. In the groups they beat Gambit (who eliminated Liquid in Birmingham) and EG (elite tier 1 team). Upper bracket they dumpstered LGD and VP, before losing to VG. LB finals, dumpstered VP yet again before ultimately losing to VG 2-3 in an amazing grand finals they don't have any business bringing it to a decider. I get it you guys are frustrated that Liquid couldn't clinch this final major, but considering what they have to go through to get to the finals, I say that is what a T1 team looks like. A T1 team doesn't have to win every tournaments, they simply have to be in contention for winning it, and the past 2-3 years Liquid has always been a T1 team. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On July 01 2019 14:14 Damned627 wrote: You guys know that they have been playing with w33haa for only 2 weeks? Hell, they only have a week to train with him and create strats. This is before we take account that w33haa has a vastly different pool than Matu, so that Lycan and green hero strats can go out of the roof. For a team that changed their mid just one week before a major, it's unrealistic to expect them winning a major immediately. Let's see what teama they beat to get to the finals. In the groups they beat Gambit (who eliminated Liquid in Birmingham) and EG (elite tier 1 team). Upper bracket they dumpstered LGD and VP, before losing to VG. LB finals, dumpstered VP yet again before ultimately losing to VG 2-3 in an amazing grand finals they don't have any business bringing it to a decider. I get it you guys are frustrated that Liquid couldn't clinch this final major, but considering what they have to go through to get to the finals, I say that is what a T1 team looks like. A T1 team doesn't have to win every tournaments, they simply have to be in contention for winning it, and the past 2-3 years Liquid has always been a T1 team. exactly this. but unfortunately there are some people in this thread who are never satisfied, and are more haters then being fans. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On July 01 2019 04:30 juuto wrote: I'm just curious how many more excuses there are left for Liquid and what we'll settle for next season because at least we were settling for Top 4 at almost every tournament last season. Now apparently, we're settling for bombing out of multiple tournaments but at least they got to the grand finals of two Majors with two different mid players. How much lower do my expectations of a T1 team have to be? They're obviously one of the best teams in the world right now but is it wrong for me to expect them to turn all that skill into Major championships? Damn, how many more times do they have to drop the ball during the grand finals of a Major before I can criticize their drafts in peace? 3 seasons Miracle has been with Liquid and he still won more Majors during his 1 season with OG. w33's been on T2-T3 teams ever since the Shanghai Major. Still has the same amount of Major wins as Liquid. Does it have to be such a rare occasion that Liquid is the best team in the world for at least a moment? hey Dy and Fade combo owned Liquid, VP, TNC and maybe everbody else at Epicenter Liquid give a good fight with brand new member and yet you still counting majors win.. you think everybody can do OG's run TI8 ? come on man be serious. | ||
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
Aside from that, just give the team time. W33 pulled out some sick plays on Epicenter. Also people need to chill lol, this is like the first Major the new roster ever played in? And they placed 2nd, only falling short against VG who played like beasts. If anything this is a good sign. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Very happy for the team, they're playing great, compact movements, fast executions. They need to improve their gameplan when they are weaker. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
All the excuses of yeah "it's only been 2-3 weeks" well duh! that's the price you pay for kicking someone prior to TI and doing roster swaps. If I were to go deeper into specifics, The Mid lane, in particular, is one that SHOULD be criticized. As the impact of the role alone is dictated by that player alone generally regardless of what happens in the game or who's team your playing on. How you perform on your mid role is solely dictated by you alone. Whether you win 1v1 and get FB, whether you have map awareness and avoid ganks, whether you kill their safe lane and set up the momentum for your team. The only other factors that affect performance in this scenario is drafts, team plan, and ability to communicate. There's a reason why players like Sumail continually outplay their opponent and make an impact. Its not by random chance. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On July 01 2019 18:17 neozxa wrote: The only problem I had with w33 is his borderline griefing attitude towards his own team in game 5 of the finals. Aside from that, just give the team time. W33 pulled out some sick plays on Epicenter. Also people need to chill lol, this is like the first Major the new roster ever played in? And they placed 2nd, only falling short against VG who played like beasts. If anything this is a good sign. griefing attitude how? | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3467 Posts
On July 02 2019 02:30 saocyn wrote: There's a reason why players like Sumail continually outplay their opponent and make an impact. Its not by random chance. You mean the Sumail that got outplayed by w33 this tournament? People complaining about a close second place after just getting a new mid player after two years of playing the same roster are ridiculous. They beat VP, LGD and EG among others. Most team that replace one of their cores 2 weeks before a big tournament drop out first round. | ||
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noh2o
China71 Posts
On July 01 2019 14:14 Damned627 wrote: You guys know that they have been playing with w33haa for only 2 weeks? Hell, they only have a week to train with him and create strats. This is before we take account that w33haa has a vastly different pool than Matu, so that Lycan and green hero strats can go out of the roof. For a team that changed their mid just one week before a major, it's unrealistic to expect them winning a major immediately. agreed | ||
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