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On September 04 2017 02:49 LemOn wrote: What do you mean Emulate lol If anything We stole that from OG They were always swapping 1+2 ever since they started
Considering he thinks of Reso as a clear cut 1 (and the best in the world, no less) I think it's safe to say that he hasn't been around for that long...
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On September 04 2017 02:49 LemOn wrote: What do you mean Emulate lol If anything We stole that from OG They were always swapping 1+2 ever since they started
Did OG win TI or am i in a parallel dimension? You emulate winners not losers
On September 04 2017 03:02 FuzzyJAM wrote: When did Resolution become the best 1 in the world? Wut?
You might have missed 2 TI in a row where reso carry average players into top position at TI playing 1? Hell even as a standin for empire he clearly outshined most of the pos 1 players there.
On September 04 2017 04:02 Bigtony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2017 02:18 zdarr wrote: I feel like having the best 1 in the world and putting him mid isn't the best option. But they have a year before next TI to kick/switch roles. I don't think notail's mid would be really worse then his carry performance, but it seems they want to emulate liquid's style with miracle and matumbaman. I agree that fly,jerax and s4 are in the optimal position right now, did reso played that much mid during the 2 TI ? Resolution looked very good at ti7 and clearly carried the team he was on, but best 1 in the world? That's not so black and white. I think we will see notail and resolution swapping roles often.
then who else? He has been clearly the best 1 for 2 years in a row whereas he was with average players the 2 times.
the pathetic attempt from nothingwhatever to troll will remain unanswered
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On September 04 2017 06:05 zdarr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2017 02:49 LemOn wrote: What do you mean Emulate lol If anything We stole that from OG They were always swapping 1+2 ever since they started Did OG win TI or am i in a parallel dimension? You emulate winners not losers Show nested quote +On September 04 2017 03:02 FuzzyJAM wrote: When did Resolution become the best 1 in the world? Wut? You might have missed 2 TI in a row where reso carry average players into top position at TI playing 1? Hell even as a standin for empire he clearly outshined most of the pos 1 players there. Show nested quote +On September 04 2017 04:02 Bigtony wrote:On September 04 2017 02:18 zdarr wrote: I feel like having the best 1 in the world and putting him mid isn't the best option. But they have a year before next TI to kick/switch roles. I don't think notail's mid would be really worse then his carry performance, but it seems they want to emulate liquid's style with miracle and matumbaman. I agree that fly,jerax and s4 are in the optimal position right now, did reso played that much mid during the 2 TI ? Resolution looked very good at ti7 and clearly carried the team he was on, but best 1 in the world? That's not so black and white. I think we will see notail and resolution swapping roles often. then who else? He has been clearly the best 1 for 2 years in a row whereas he was with average players the 2 times. the pathetic attempt from nothingwhatever to troll will remain unanswered
On the emulate part, I'm pretty sure he meant that OG started doing it before Liquid.. It doesn't matter who won TI if we talk about strategies, so yes, if OG started doing it before Liquid, then Liquid would be the one emulating. but w/e, who cares.
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Only in the Dota scene do you win 4 majors and still get called a loser by random people on the internet. The idea that OG's play in the last 2 years hasn't been hugely influential is pretty funny.
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Even EE wins majors, at the end of the year only TI matters and every dota players knows that except a bunch of delusionnal fans. I mean for fuck sake i understand that you are butthurt that i said they wanted to emulate liquid but please can you open your eyes
Having a mid actually 1 in farm priority isn't an OG invention, EG did win TI with sumail remember? And i'm not even saying EG actually invented it compared to the og's fanboys lurking here.
Wtv people really answer what they like, i thought it was shocking that i said reso wasthe best carry in the world yet no one opposed an argument or another name instead. Everyone here is up in their pants because i said OG were losers, yeah it's a slight exaggeration but don't forget OG barely placed in the top half of the tournament and it's still an upgrade compared to last year's run.
If those shitty results 2 years in a row are enough to call a team Tier 1 i dont know what to say. Just a reminder they finished at the same spot as a team with a standin (an average/good carry considering the answer on that topic)
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You're not getting any answers because you're clearly delusional and clueless and no one here can be arsed to waste time arguing with you.
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What did you guys think? I think there were some iffy parts, but that goes with a new team and their first matches.
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Well, they've probably just come back from vacation but yeah, they looked rusty. The quality shone through in the end but they're nowhere near TI level (not to speak of past majors). Also can't forget that their opponents are tier2 at best. Still, looking forward to seeing their good old crisp self again soon. Reso certainly doesn't look like he missed a beat since TI.
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I only watched the second game, but all of the established players had a bunch of unforced errors that was not typical for how they play when they are in form. Especially Notail and S4 had some huge unforced errors. Reso looked great tho and they still had that one single moment where they won the game like how many other tier 1 teams like EG, Secret v2, Liquid etc have ... they can be behind for most of the game only to win it in a single decisive team fight
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Yeah, definitely showed they're a tier1 team. Jerax messed up plenty too. Fly and Reso were carrying pretty hard that 2nd game.
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I only watched the first game, and they looked pretty shaky. Too many mistakes, very unstable draft. They won purely on experience, and because opponents forced a won game instead of controlling it. A better team with that draft yould've crushed them. Reso is owning though. That guy is carrying hard, they can really abuse his skills. Everyone can create space for him, then he takes over, the only concern i have is that i am not sure that 4 protect 1 is a viable strat these days. Thats more like a situational draft... Cant wait to seem them perform against better teams.
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I hope those matches were just a fluke and them still trying to figure things out.
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OG was lost to mouz in BO3 game ,why?
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OG have always been vulnerable to early pressure (game 5 Kiev never forget) and Ad Finem has always been a super aggressive yolo team. Their losses have usually come from being run over, while their own stomps have come from neutering enemy early aggression and stomping early mid game. With Jerax not crushing as usual (Fly almost always plays very defensive supports and rarely can contribute to early aggressive plays) that has left their early game exposed and only their experience and superb fight execution has brought them back later in the games they won. (not blaming Jerax btw, Notail and S4 didn't really show up either). Also it's becoming more and more apparent that they've fallen pretty far behind strategically. If you look at all the stuff Liquid pulled off at TI (mid brood wtf) and compare it to the same old Alch meta OG is still playing it's no surprise they're falling short. They need to come up with some new shit (Notail needs to get of his super sacrifical playstyle imo). Luckily they have plenty of time to do so.
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I don't like their drafts. Fly tries some old play-styles but they just don't work anymore. Also too many individual mistakes from S4 and N0tail especially. Those can be fixed with some practice after the long vacation, but OG has to come up with new ideas and the way to play it - Like i said yesterday Reso is good but he can't carry them alone.
P.S. I really liked Mouz strat to own necro(although they lost the game still it was cool) - Damn Skywrath absoluteley destroys that hero. Good thing to know.
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On September 23 2017 02:54 jack_knife wrote: what's wrong with OG?
Don't think there is much wrong with OG other than suffering from basics. They seem to have taken a seriously long break after TI and are suffering because of it. My guess would be that it has something to do with TI. It seems previous years they've had to take a few short breaks during spring in the run-up to TI not to burn out completely, and has sufferd in TI because of it, so maybe this year they're trying to take it slow so they can go full steam from january untill TI is over? Hard to say really, but they are definitely rusty.
It could also be trying to figure out how to play optimally with Reso and trying shit out.
But to be honest, it just looks like they haven't been bootcamping hard enough since TI, while other players and teams have been working hard on their skills and finding new drafts and ideas. If it's one thing OG seriously lacks, it's innovation in the strategy/draft department, which surprises me with a player like S4 in the team who was(!) known for being very innovative and coming up with new ideas and strategies.
But it was honestly seriously hard watching them play vs SFT today. Even with being rusty they should've put up a better performance than what they did.
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On September 23 2017 02:54 jack_knife wrote: what's wrong with OG? You are rooting for them. Wooot!
(Its a joke, you did it to [A] and then to OG)
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On September 23 2017 05:11 hashaki wrote:Don't think there is much wrong with OG other than suffering from basics. They seem to have taken a seriously long break after TI and are suffering because of it. My guess would be that it has something to do with TI. It seems previous years they've had to take a few short breaks during spring in the run-up to TI not to burn out completely, and has sufferd in TI because of it, so maybe this year they're trying to take it slow so they can go full steam from january untill TI is over? Hard to say really, but they are definitely rusty. It could also be trying to figure out how to play optimally with Reso and trying shit out. But to be honest, it just looks like they haven't been bootcamping hard enough since TI, while other players and teams have been working hard on their skills and finding new drafts and ideas. If it's one thing OG seriously lacks, it's innovation in the strategy/draft department, which surprises me with a player like S4 in the team who was(!) known for being very innovative and coming up with new ideas and strategies. But it was honestly seriously hard watching them play vs SFT today. Even with being rusty they should've put up a better performance than what they did.
Agreed, they're rusty and just like everyone else realize that they need to figure out new stuff. Liquid had a very similar phase when Miracle joined. Speaking of Liquid if TI7 has proven anything it's that you can't be #1 with just one strat/playstyle anymore. TI3 and 4 were classic examples of this but today teams are too good at countering predictable strategies. Imo OG need to learn how to play fast and be more versatile in their core picks (they already did switch Notail/Reso for a game or two so that's a start). More aggressive supports for Fly, more greedy cores/playstyle for Notail just to have those options available would be my hope.
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