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nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
September 03 2017 19:52 GMT
#821
On September 04 2017 02:49 LemOn wrote:
What do you mean Emulate lol
If anything We stole that from OG
They were always swapping 1+2 ever since they started


Considering he thinks of Reso as a clear cut 1 (and the best in the world, no less) I think it's safe to say that he hasn't been around for that long...
zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-03 21:07:50
September 03 2017 21:05 GMT
#822
On September 04 2017 02:49 LemOn wrote:
What do you mean Emulate lol
If anything We stole that from OG
They were always swapping 1+2 ever since they started


Did OG win TI or am i in a parallel dimension? You emulate winners not losers

On September 04 2017 03:02 FuzzyJAM wrote:
When did Resolution become the best 1 in the world? Wut?


You might have missed 2 TI in a row where reso carry average players into top position at TI playing 1? Hell even as a standin for empire he clearly outshined most of the pos 1 players there.

On September 04 2017 04:02 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 02:18 zdarr wrote:
I feel like having the best 1 in the world and putting him mid isn't the best option. But they have a year before next TI to kick/switch roles. I don't think notail's mid would be really worse then his carry performance, but it seems they want to emulate liquid's style with miracle and matumbaman. I agree that fly,jerax and s4 are in the optimal position right now, did reso played that much mid during the 2 TI ?


Resolution looked very good at ti7 and clearly carried the team he was on, but best 1 in the world? That's not so black and white. I think we will see notail and resolution swapping roles often.


then who else? He has been clearly the best 1 for 2 years in a row whereas he was with average players the 2 times.

the pathetic attempt from nothingwhatever to troll will remain unanswered
Dison92
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark142 Posts
September 03 2017 22:01 GMT
#823
On September 04 2017 06:05 zdarr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 02:49 LemOn wrote:
What do you mean Emulate lol
If anything We stole that from OG
They were always swapping 1+2 ever since they started


Did OG win TI or am i in a parallel dimension? You emulate winners not losers

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 03:02 FuzzyJAM wrote:
When did Resolution become the best 1 in the world? Wut?


You might have missed 2 TI in a row where reso carry average players into top position at TI playing 1? Hell even as a standin for empire he clearly outshined most of the pos 1 players there.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 04:02 Bigtony wrote:
On September 04 2017 02:18 zdarr wrote:
I feel like having the best 1 in the world and putting him mid isn't the best option. But they have a year before next TI to kick/switch roles. I don't think notail's mid would be really worse then his carry performance, but it seems they want to emulate liquid's style with miracle and matumbaman. I agree that fly,jerax and s4 are in the optimal position right now, did reso played that much mid during the 2 TI ?


Resolution looked very good at ti7 and clearly carried the team he was on, but best 1 in the world? That's not so black and white. I think we will see notail and resolution swapping roles often.


then who else? He has been clearly the best 1 for 2 years in a row whereas he was with average players the 2 times.

the pathetic attempt from nothingwhatever to troll will remain unanswered


On the emulate part, I'm pretty sure he meant that OG started doing it before Liquid.. It doesn't matter who won TI if we talk about strategies, so yes, if OG started doing it before Liquid, then Liquid would be the one emulating. but w/e, who cares.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 04 2017 13:28 GMT
#824
Only in the Dota scene do you win 4 majors and still get called a loser by random people on the internet. The idea that OG's play in the last 2 years hasn't been hugely influential is pretty funny.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 16:44:34
September 04 2017 16:31 GMT
#825
Even EE wins majors, at the end of the year only TI matters and every dota players knows that except a bunch of delusionnal fans. I mean for fuck sake i understand that you are butthurt that i said they wanted to emulate liquid but please can you open your eyes

Having a mid actually 1 in farm priority isn't an OG invention, EG did win TI with sumail remember? And i'm not even saying EG actually invented it compared to the og's fanboys lurking here.

Wtv people really answer what they like, i thought it was shocking that i said reso wasthe best carry in the world yet no one opposed an argument or another name instead. Everyone here is up in their pants because i said OG were losers, yeah it's a slight exaggeration but don't forget OG barely placed in the top half of the tournament and it's still an upgrade compared to last year's run.

If those shitty results 2 years in a row are enough to call a team Tier 1 i dont know what to say. Just a reminder they finished at the same spot as a team with a standin (an average/good carry considering the answer on that topic)
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
September 04 2017 18:10 GMT
#826
You're not getting any answers because you're clearly delusional and clueless and no one here can be arsed to waste time arguing with you.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
September 05 2017 06:54 GMT
#827
troll
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
MonkeyLarry
Profile Joined June 2011
United States60 Posts
September 19 2017 21:05 GMT
#828
What did you guys think? I think there were some iffy parts, but that goes with a new team and their first matches.
Grubby TLO WhiteRa Snute Bunny | Liquid, Alliance, Na'Vi, EG, OG
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
September 19 2017 21:23 GMT
#829
Well, they've probably just come back from vacation but yeah, they looked rusty. The quality shone through in the end but they're nowhere near TI level (not to speak of past majors). Also can't forget that their opponents are tier2 at best. Still, looking forward to seeing their good old crisp self again soon. Reso certainly doesn't look like he missed a beat since TI.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
September 19 2017 23:42 GMT
#830
I only watched the second game, but all of the established players had a bunch of unforced errors that was not typical for how they play when they are in form. Especially Notail and S4 had some huge unforced errors. Reso looked great tho and they still had that one single moment where they won the game like how many other tier 1 teams like EG, Secret v2, Liquid etc have ... they can be behind for most of the game only to win it in a single decisive team fight
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
September 20 2017 06:50 GMT
#831
Yeah, definitely showed they're a tier1 team. Jerax messed up plenty too. Fly and Reso were carrying pretty hard that 2nd game.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
September 20 2017 10:04 GMT
#832
I only watched the first game, and they looked pretty shaky. Too many mistakes, very unstable draft. They won purely on experience, and because opponents forced a won game instead of controlling it. A better team with that draft yould've crushed them.
Reso is owning though. That guy is carrying hard, they can really abuse his skills. Everyone can create space for him, then he takes over, the only concern i have is that i am not sure that 4 protect 1 is a viable strat these days. Thats more like a situational draft... Cant wait to seem them perform against better teams.
MonkeyLarry
Profile Joined June 2011
United States60 Posts
September 21 2017 01:56 GMT
#833
I hope those matches were just a fluke and them still trying to figure things out.
Grubby TLO WhiteRa Snute Bunny | Liquid, Alliance, Na'Vi, EG, OG
T1ns1stReverse
Profile Joined September 2017
China7 Posts
September 21 2017 02:42 GMT
#834
OG was lost to mouz in BO3 game ,why?
miracle fans and liquid fans
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 07:11:57
September 21 2017 07:10 GMT
#835
OG have always been vulnerable to early pressure (game 5 Kiev never forget) and Ad Finem has always been a super aggressive yolo team. Their losses have usually come from being run over, while their own stomps have come from neutering enemy early aggression and stomping early mid game. With Jerax not crushing as usual (Fly almost always plays very defensive supports and rarely can contribute to early aggressive plays) that has left their early game exposed and only their experience and superb fight execution has brought them back later in the games they won. (not blaming Jerax btw, Notail and S4 didn't really show up either). Also it's becoming more and more apparent that they've fallen pretty far behind strategically. If you look at all the stuff Liquid pulled off at TI (mid brood wtf) and compare it to the same old Alch meta OG is still playing it's no surprise they're falling short. They need to come up with some new shit (Notail needs to get of his super sacrifical playstyle imo). Luckily they have plenty of time to do so.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
September 21 2017 08:12 GMT
#836
I don't like their drafts. Fly tries some old play-styles but they just don't work anymore. Also too many individual mistakes from S4 and N0tail especially. Those can be fixed with some practice after the long vacation, but OG has to come up with new ideas and the way to play it - Like i said yesterday Reso is good but he can't carry them alone.

P.S. I really liked Mouz strat to own necro(although they lost the game still it was cool) - Damn Skywrath absoluteley destroys that hero. Good thing to know.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
September 22 2017 17:54 GMT
#837
what's wrong with OG?
hashaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway210 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 20:11:43
September 22 2017 20:11 GMT
#838
On September 23 2017 02:54 jack_knife wrote:
what's wrong with OG?


Don't think there is much wrong with OG other than suffering from basics. They seem to have taken a seriously long break after TI and are suffering because of it. My guess would be that it has something to do with TI. It seems previous years they've had to take a few short breaks during spring in the run-up to TI not to burn out completely, and has sufferd in TI because of it, so maybe this year they're trying to take it slow so they can go full steam from january untill TI is over? Hard to say really, but they are definitely rusty.

It could also be trying to figure out how to play optimally with Reso and trying shit out.

But to be honest, it just looks like they haven't been bootcamping hard enough since TI, while other players and teams have been working hard on their skills and finding new drafts and ideas. If it's one thing OG seriously lacks, it's innovation in the strategy/draft department, which surprises me with a player like S4 in the team who was(!) known for being very innovative and coming up with new ideas and strategies.

But it was honestly seriously hard watching them play vs SFT today. Even with being rusty they should've put up a better performance than what they did.
Life is like animal porn... It's not for everyone
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
September 22 2017 20:24 GMT
#839
On September 23 2017 02:54 jack_knife wrote:
what's wrong with OG?

You are rooting for them. Wooot!

(Its a joke, you did it to [A] and then to OG)
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
September 24 2017 09:05 GMT
#840
On September 23 2017 05:11 hashaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2017 02:54 jack_knife wrote:
what's wrong with OG?


Don't think there is much wrong with OG other than suffering from basics. They seem to have taken a seriously long break after TI and are suffering because of it. My guess would be that it has something to do with TI. It seems previous years they've had to take a few short breaks during spring in the run-up to TI not to burn out completely, and has sufferd in TI because of it, so maybe this year they're trying to take it slow so they can go full steam from january untill TI is over? Hard to say really, but they are definitely rusty.

It could also be trying to figure out how to play optimally with Reso and trying shit out.

But to be honest, it just looks like they haven't been bootcamping hard enough since TI, while other players and teams have been working hard on their skills and finding new drafts and ideas. If it's one thing OG seriously lacks, it's innovation in the strategy/draft department, which surprises me with a player like S4 in the team who was(!) known for being very innovative and coming up with new ideas and strategies.

But it was honestly seriously hard watching them play vs SFT today. Even with being rusty they should've put up a better performance than what they did.


Agreed, they're rusty and just like everyone else realize that they need to figure out new stuff. Liquid had a very similar phase when Miracle joined. Speaking of Liquid if TI7 has proven anything it's that you can't be #1 with just one strat/playstyle anymore. TI3 and 4 were classic examples of this but today teams are too good at countering predictable strategies. Imo OG need to learn how to play fast and be more versatile in their core picks (they already did switch Notail/Reso for a game or two so that's a start). More aggressive supports for Fly, more greedy cores/playstyle for Notail just to have those options available would be my hope.
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