EPTPeople were using the same reasoning for EG getting invited to TI3, and in the end Fear, Demon and Maelk had to sit one out anyway. If Valve weren't desperate for publicity and promotion back then, they have even less reason to be now.
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
People were using the same reasoning for EG getting invited to TI3, and in the end Fear, Demon and Maelk had to sit one out anyway. If Valve weren't desperate for publicity and promotion back then, they have even less reason to be now. | ||
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zdarr
France375 Posts
On June 05 2016 22:28 LemOn wrote: If I'm gaben I'm clearly still inviting Secret to TI, especially with the wide invite system - the marketing power of the players and the team is just too large to pass on. And that's why Valve keeps and always will keep pumping money to dota - to get people buying dota items, and getting on Steam Store - The revenue loss with Puppey, RTZ Envy missing from TI would be considerable There is strictly no correlation between player present @ TI and item sales. Having EE & RTZ is more for the viewers than for the cosmetic sales. I still think they'll get an invitation out of their players name but god they don't deserve it. It'd be the first TI ppy doesn't play, congratz to EE & RTZ for dumpstering the best players in the world (aka ppy & universe) | ||
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
The majors are so so so much smaller in terms of prize money than TI, so it would be silly to not invite winners of previous majors. All teams seems to have power spikes and slumps at different times and prioritizing the results closer to TI too much seems counter intuitive. It creates good story lines to invite champions of Majors and gives them even more meaning for the next year. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On June 06 2016 00:39 zdarr wrote: There is strictly no correlation between player present @ TI and item sales. Having EE & RTZ is more for the viewers than for the cosmetic sales. I still think they'll get an invitation out of their players name but god they don't deserve it. It'd be the first TI ppy doesn't play, congratz to EE & RTZ for dumpstering the best players in the world (aka ppy & universe) Yeah, Puppey and Universe have no responsibility in this /s | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 06 2016 00:58 Darksteel wrote: I think it is pretty clear that they will invite all the Major winners to TI. TI is more than just about the performance in the last couple of months, its more about the performance of the teams over the whole year. The majors are so so so much smaller in terms of prize money than TI, so it would be silly to not invite winners of previous majors. All teams seems to have power spikes and slumps at different times and prioritizing the results closer to TI too much seems counter intuitive. It creates good story lines to invite champions of Majors and gives them even more meaning for the next year. If Secret doesn't win another series before TI, the performance of the team over the whole year was losing all but one of their series. Just because 3 of the players are the same doesn't mean they're the same team. | ||
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Xendarii
327 Posts
On June 06 2016 00:58 Darksteel wrote: I think it is pretty clear that they will invite all the Major winners to TI. TI is more than just about the performance in the last couple of months, its more about the performance of the teams over the whole year. The majors are so so so much smaller in terms of prize money than TI, so it would be silly to not invite winners of previous majors. All teams seems to have power spikes and slumps at different times and prioritizing the results closer to TI too much seems counter intuitive. It creates good story lines to invite champions of Majors and gives them even more meaning for the next year. It makes no sense to invite the current roster. Without a roster change, maybe, because with Misery and w33, they showed that they can perform by winning Shanghai and placing second in Frankfurt. The new roster though has proven that they're worse than literally any Tier 1 team, and the only reason we can't compare them to T2 or T3 teams is that they've never played against them. At this point, even teams like No Diggity could be able to beat them, and you want Valve to invite such a team to the most important Dota 2 tournament of the year? That's like inviting a team from the English 3rd football league to the UEFA Champions League just because they have one or two popular players. It doesn't make ANY sense. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 05 2016 23:46 Talin wrote: Valve may be a for profit organization, but they're not desperate to milk every cent at the expense of competitive integrity. Besides, to imply that Secret's absence would even put a noticeable dent in Valve's finances is a massive exaggeration. People were using the same reasoning for EG getting invited to TI3, and in the end Fear, Demon and Maelk had to sit one out anyway. If Valve weren't desperate for publicity and promotion back then, they have even less reason to be now. It's not that desperate if you think about it. Facts are Secret has been performing poorly but you also can't deny that they are a bunch of very talented players that can do wonder if they click. So there's still that potential x-factor that a superstar team can pull off that Valve will bank on, amongst other things like fan base, revenue/ads attraction .etc to invite Secret. Also let's not forget, barring Rtz, Secret is still a team of 3 Major winners and 1 TI winner (well technically Puppey is a TI winner too but I'm just talking about recent results yea?). It'd be very hard to disregard a team that won one of the two biggest tournaments 6 months before TI even though they manage to fail everything afterwards. I mean if we used a scoring system for past achievements (i.e more prestigious tournaments give higher score), I'm pretty sure Secret's overall weighted average score would still be way up there. Having said that, an invite to Secret would mean a huge gamble on them getting their shit together. And we all know that Dota is a competition between teams, not players individually. But ask yourself this, who would have a higher chance of beating Liquid in TI, the current Secret squad with couple of months to prepare and sort shit out or another invite, says Empire? Also I don't think EG before TI3 was anywhere near the level of Secret today in terms of reputation. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 06 2016 07:58 LemOn wrote: It's not really a gamble for Valve...If Secret bombs out there too they don't really lose much You're probably right. Either way people will tune in to watch Secret, whether to succeed or to fail. It's good money after all  | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
thanks for your support boys. | ||
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haxhax
125 Posts
On June 06 2016 07:58 LemOn wrote: It's not really a gamble for Valve...If Secret bombs out there too they don't really lose much They lose face. Anyway, if Secret deserves to be there they should be able to win the qualifier. Honestly, any invited team, barring the defending champion, should comfortably be the favorite if they were in the qualifiers. If Secret doesn't pull it together at Manila and bomb out last, they just shouldn't be invited. | ||
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jinfreaks
United States94 Posts
new compendium goal incoming o_O | ||
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Sabu113
United States11076 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On June 06 2016 07:21 nayumi wrote: It's not that desperate if you think about it. Facts are Secret has been performing poorly but you also can't deny that they are a bunch of very talented players that can do wonder if they click. So there's still that potential x-factor that a superstar team can pull off that Valve will bank on, amongst other things like fan base, revenue/ads attraction .etc to invite Secret. Also let's not forget, barring Rtz, Secret is still a team of 3 Major winners and 1 TI winner (well technically Puppey is a TI winner too but I'm just talking about recent results yea?). It'd be very hard to disregard a team that won one of the two biggest tournaments 6 months before TI even though they manage to fail everything afterwards. I mean if we used a scoring system for past achievements (i.e more prestigious tournaments give higher score), I'm pretty sure Secret's overall weighted average score would still be way up there. Having said that, an invite to Secret would mean a huge gamble on them getting their shit together. And we all know that Dota is a competition between teams, not players individually. But ask yourself this, who would have a higher chance of beating Liquid in TI, the current Secret squad with couple of months to prepare and sort shit out or another invite, says Empire? Also I don't think EG before TI3 was anywhere near the level of Secret today in terms of reputation. This is not how things work in the real world , Secret might click and be the best in the world but as you saw the last TI even an unknown team with mediocre talent pool almost won it all (CDEC) , you don't invite them because maybe they will do great. I still think they should get an invite because they are Majors winners and TI winner , only guy who doesn't deserve the invite is RTZ , but the other 4 are a lock in for TI so RTZ gets a free pass. Not inviting a Major winner will diminish the tourney to just a filler , securing a TI invite for the winners will increase its value and in turn increase the level of play in it. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On June 06 2016 13:47 Sabu113 wrote: Man this is comical. Even if they have a bad showing, these players have been dominant for the last year and a half. I think we'd all rather see them than Empire or other second tier teams. Just needs more time. That is because you are their fan, I bet an Empire fan would say he would rather see Empire than Secret humiliating themselves. | ||
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Xendarii
327 Posts
On June 06 2016 15:20 Racket wrote: That is because you are their fan, I bet an Empire fan would say he would rather see Empire than Secret humiliating themselves. Second this. I'm neither an Empire nor Secret fan and I'd rather see Empire because Secret is basically a free win for every decent team right now. Doesn't really make for exciting matches. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
In a way I agree with rewarding players who've performed well around the year rather than looking at just the most recent major, but for me it just feels that you should also show some sort of performance with your current lineup. If they finish dead last, I wouldn't invite them. If they end up winning like 2 series and getting top8 then sure. Although this lineup hasn't shown great things even in that scenario, it's close enough that I feel you can use the accomplishments of the players this year to invite them. But let's see how the major ends. Not to mention that if they completely bomb out there is also the chance that the players don't even wait for the invites and instead just decide to make a change and go to open quals, hard to say without being a fly on the wall. | ||
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